How do we distinguish "drugs" from alcohol?

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**2291 **The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law.

- Catechism of the Catholic Church

How do we define a “drug” in this context? And what distinguishes cocaine, in moral principle, from alcohol? I take it that the moderate use of alcoholic beverages is not prohibited. What about the moderate use of cocaine? Or marijuana? And what about caffeine and nicotine?
 
**2291 **The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law.

- Catechism of the Catholic Church

How do we define a “drug” in this context? And what distinguishes cocaine, in moral principle, from alcohol? I take it that the moderate use of alcoholic beverages is not prohibited. What about the moderate use of cocaine? Or marijuana? And what about caffeine and nicotine?
Not sure, but I remember seing an old black man on TV many years ago, probably from the deep south USA.

He was a whiskey drinker, but he only drank one glass a day.

He said “one is medicine, two is poision” so I expect it does come down to moderation, a bit like food is ok, but too much is gluttony, and not very good for you.
 
What distinguishes alcohol from EVERY other drug, in moral principle, is not only that Our Lord explicitly used it Himself (Wedding at Cana, Last Supper, being wrongly labelled a drunkard etc) but He explicitly commanded US to use it - it forms one of the Eucharistic elements after all.

The important thing on reading this passage is to have a proper understanding of the term ‘therapeutic’.

It is well established that moderate use of alcohol in people who are otherwise of normal health, not only has no bad health impacts but numerous good ones. Same with caffeine. So these drugs, used in moderation, ARE in fact therapeutic.

Opium poppies ARE regularly medically used - the beneficial components are isolated chemically and used as morphine and morphine-derived painkillers. Even these need to be used with caution as they can be quite addictive. When used in this particular medically-sanctioned way, it can be described as ‘therapeutic’.

Cocaine at any level of use has significant bad health impacts, such that would outweigh any potentially good ones. Thus its use can never be described as therapeutic. Opium products when smoked or used as heroin, similarly are not ‘therapeutic’ in nature.

Marijuana is still a hotly debated topic, but when smoked certainly has AT LEAST the same bad impacts as smoking - which again are bad enough for the most part to outweigh any perceived benefits. True, in some places medical use of marijuana is legalised, but then so are distinctly immoral medications such as birth control pills, so the mere legalisation doesn’t mean its use is moral. It may well be a matter for further research 🤷

Nicotine? I think given the overwhelming evidence for the many harms of smoking or chewing tobacco, anyone who smoked now would almost certainly be sinning. It’s a question of their level of knowledge, their level of addiction (since such may reduce culpability) and their level of smoking, as to whether they are sinning gravely or not.
 
anyone who smoked now would almost certainly be sinning. It’s a question of their level of knowledge, their level of addiction (since such may reduce culpability) and their level of smoking, as to whether they are sinning gravely or not.
Lily,

But given that the Catechism says:

**2290 **The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine.

and thereby characterizes tobacco as possibly being *abused *it would stand to reason that it also has legitimate use.

I.e. smoking in moderation wouldn’t be sinful.

Thoughts?
VC
 
Lily,

But given that the Catechism says:

**2290 **The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine.

and thereby characterizes tobacco as possibly being *abused *it would stand to reason that it also has legitimate use.

I.e. smoking in moderation wouldn’t be sinful.

Thoughts?
VC
The excesses make these a grave sin.

While eating and drinking moderately is not a sin of any kind, in my opinion smoking in moderation is at least a venial sin (or should be) as it is bad for your health, something nobody can claim they didn’t know.
 
Cocaine at any level of use has significant bad health impacts, such that would outweigh any potentially good ones. Thus its use can never be described as therapeutic.
I’m afraid you’re incorrect. Cocaine and its derivatives are still used as topical anesthetics.

Bottom line, there is no distinction on a purely pharmacological basis: alcohol is a drug. So is caffeine, for that matter – does that make morning coffee a moral evil? Any chemical which alters one’s mental state is a drug, so the only yardstick we can measure their worth or value is by their effects; and the effects of alcohol, frankly, are worse and more widespread than those of most other drugs.

So the only things differentiating alcohol from any other drug are 1) Jesus is noted to have used the one (and there was some evidence that he may have had a thing for cannabis as well, via the Beeb but I haven’t followed up on it), and 2) the others are illegal, which the text of the passage from the catechism seems to take more issue with than their use in moderation: Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law. If they were legal, what point would there be to their clandestine production and trafficking?
 
I’m afraid you’re incorrect. Cocaine and its derivatives are still used as topical anesthetics.
Fair enough - you learn something new every day 🙂 That would put it in the same class as opium, then, I guess.
If they were legal, what point would there be to their clandestine production and trafficking?
They’d have to be cheap and available to basically whoever asks for there to be no point. Like alcohol.

There IS a certain amount of trafficking these days even in some legal medications because they are expensive, and/or people who want them can’t get a prescription.
 
While eating and drinking moderately is not a sin of any kind, in my opinion smoking in moderation is at least a venial sin (or should be) as it is bad for your health, something nobody can claim they didn’t know.
Hi thistle,

I understand that it is your opinion that smoking is a venial sin, and you are entitled to it! I wonder, though, if it is a correct opinion.

It brings up the question: is everything that is bad for your health, and knowingly done, a venial sin?

VC
 
There IS a certain amount of trafficking these days even in some legal medications because they are expensive, and/or people who want them can’t get a prescription.
There is. I’ve run into it personally. But I tend to regard that more as a sad commentary on the state of modern medicine (particularly in the US) – that those we task with serving the public are not even able to assure that people receive basic medical care – than as an indicator of moral wrongdoing on the part of the desperate.
 
More than a moderate amount (more than our liver is able to handle) and alcohol is simply a liquid drug.🤷
 
Hi thistle,

I understand that it is your opinion that smoking is a venial sin, and you are entitled to it! I wonder, though, if it is a correct opinion.

It brings up the question: is everything that is bad for your health, and knowingly done, a venial sin?

VC
Last night Fr. Corapi said that smoking is definitely a sin against the 5th Commandment (and he thought that it could become a mortal sin).
 
The use of alcohol is common throughout much of the NT. Most of it is promoted as for health reasons. So it is fine to enjoy alcohol in moderation, but we must remember that it is never right to drink it in excess. I think these are some good verses. Luke 10:34, 1Tim. 5:23, Prov 20:1.
The excesses make these a grave sin.
While eating and drinking moderately is not a sin of any kind, in my opinion smoking in moderation is at least a venial sin (or should be) as it is bad for your health, something nobody can claim they didn’t know.
I have mixed thoughts about this. Everything we do in life is contributing towards our possible death. Some things that are necessary for daily life like breathing, eating, going into a situation where we could potentially catch a sickness. All these 3 things will lead to our death if something else doesn’t. The air we breath contain several (un)known particles, some carcinogenic at one time or another. The food we eat contains trace elements and compounds which over time our bodies fail to rid. Thirdly, we most certainly can’t hermit in our houses, and even then so who’s to say a germ won’t find its way in.

A lot of recreational activities can contribute to death or cause immediate death. Race car driving, Football, Soccer, bungee jumping, rock climbing ect… Surely these are not of any sin. What about special types of food like fancy seafood? Many types of Fish and such carry mercury that our bodies can’t rid of. Do we need fish and fancy sea food to survive? Some people have to survive on fish and other seafood because not many other means of food are open to them. For the rest of us, most certainly not, but we chose to eat them knowing they carry a poisonous metal. BTW it is very possible and likely that one can over eat on seafood get mercury poisoning.

Now on to smoking. I think is clear that if one can’t easily give up smoking or any other use of tobacco including dip, snuff, snus, and chew for a period of time without feeling withdraw symptoms is addicted to that use of tobacco. I don’t know though, when it actually becomes in excess and thus a grave sin. I think there is nothing wrong with enjoying a cigar or a cigarette now and then. For most people it’s the social part they do it for. Many of us use alcohol for that reason. Many people drink just to get a social “high” and not really the buzz.

Similarly, the use of tobacco over in Europe began with cigars which were used as means of social high too. These were invented for the rich to enjoy on occasion and the poor could never afford them. Heck, even today most people don’t have the budget for a fine cigar. The poor responded by taking left over bits of cigar butts, and grinding them into finer, as in smaller, shredded tobacco. They would take this and wrap it in paper or another tobacco leaf. This was the birth of the cigarette. The poor could now enjoy some of qualities of a cigar, but for very cheap. Anyhow I’m starting to digress.

I think that if one can obstain from addiction and use tobacco on the occasion, they are doing fine because like I said earlier a lot of what we do will contribute to our possible deaths. We can’t live in bubble our whole lives.

Here’s the thing though with cigarettes. Over the years they have become extremely deadly do to tobacco companies like Philip Morris adding more substitutes and less pure untainted tobacco. Your modern day cigarette really is cancer stick. I wouldn’t even call it tobacco mainly because half of it really isn’t. So I would consider a commercial cigarette much different than a pure tobacco cigarette which has far less carcinogens in it.
 
Last night Fr. Corapi said that smoking is definitely a sin against the 5th Commandment (and he thought that it could become a mortal sin).
I have no disagreements with you however can I see the link where he says that?
 
Last night Fr. Corapi said that smoking is definitely a sin against the 5th Commandment (and he thought that it could become a mortal sin).
Hi brigid,

I’ve seen the same thing about Fr. Corapi, but I’ve never caught it “live” so to speak. I wonder, did he qualify it at all? Do you think he meant, say, that smoking a pipe once a month would be sinful? Was there any qualification, do you recall?

Thanks!
VC
 
Hi thistle,

I understand that it is your opinion that smoking is a venial sin, and you are entitled to it! I wonder, though, if it is a correct opinion.

It brings up the question: is everything that is bad for your health, and knowingly done, a venial sin?

VC
I have no idea if my opinion is correct or not.

Regular use of illegal drugs for recreational purposes are bad for your health (they destroy the brain) which is why its a grave sin to take them. Of course there is also the dangers posed to society and loved ones as well from this.

Excessive eating, alcohol and tobacco are bad for your health and a grave sin. These also can destroy families.

Moderate eating and drinking are not bad for your health whereas moderate smoking is bad for your health.
 
I’ve been digging a little further and I did find one distinction between alcohol and the other drugs. Your body metabolizes alcohol. Alcohol brings with it calories. And not just calories from the other sugars that may be in the particular beverage. The alcohol itself has calories. It is a source of nourishment.

That is to say: alcohol is food. It is a drug too but it is both food and drug.

Caffeine on the other hand, as far as I know, has no nutritional value. Yet, can I believe coffee is sinful?

As for my pipe, I can’t believe it is sinful. I would yield if I knew the Church taught it was sinful, but the arguments of one priest are not enough. Condemning pipes wholly, not just when excessive, sounds too much like Puritanism.

Still wondering.
 
The legal definitions of ‘drugs’ (in the sense of recreational only) are all over the place. For one thing, many states persist in calling controlled substances of any and all kinds ‘narcotics’. ONLY the opioid class drugs are, in fact, narcotics. Cocaine solution is used all the time medically, especially for optical uses, since it is the gentlest topical anesthetic around (although taken in any larger quantity by any other method and without medical supervision, it is highly dangerous.)

Caffeine is most assuredly a drug, as are the sugars and sugar substitutes added to many drinks and snack foods. Even nicotine has a medical use or two - as a vasoconstrictor. Even if you do not smoke, and don’t have any caffeine, sumitriptan, or opiates handy, smoking a cigarette CAN stop a migraine before it gets really rolling, for example. Probably not what the AMA would recommend, but as an emergency measure (and an oncoming migraine is an emergency as surely as an oncoming freight train), it may help!

Marijuana, particularly for medical reasons, is truly a wonderdrug. I can’t stand it myself, with my already nervous and paranoid disposition, but any drug that can get cancer and AIDS patients, etc, to actually have an appetite is absolutely marvelous.

Heck, the dextrorotatory ‘opiate substitutes’ they put into over-the-counter cough remedies upset me far more when they put a little codeine in them - at least codeine is effective and predictable. People these days are buying multiple bottles of dxm syrup (ugh!) and drinking it for the dissociative/deliriant high it gives - a very powerful one too. This seems to be something of a running theme every time the pharma corporations come up with and market as a ‘new, better, less dangerous’ form of opioid - we just wind up with problems worse than the good, oldfashioned originals, and pretty often, these new drugs do get pulled off the market eventually.
 
I have no idea if my opinion is correct or not.

Regular use of illegal drugs for recreational purposes are bad for your health (they destroy the brain) which is why its a grave sin to take them. Of course there is also the dangers posed to society and loved ones as well from this.

Excessive eating, alcohol and tobacco are bad for your health and a grave sin. These also can destroy families.

Moderate eating and drinking are not bad for your health whereas moderate smoking is bad for your health.
I have yet to see a study showing that the **occasional use **of tobacco has cause damage to a person’s health. The body is an amazing gift from God. A person’s lungs can recover from minor damage. This is mostly common for young people, because as we age our cells tend not to reproduce the same way and small changes in our DNA go unstopped which is why older folks are more prone to cancer.
 
I have yet to see a study showing that the **occasional use **of tobacco has cause damage to a person’s health. The body is an amazing gift from God. A person’s lungs can recover from minor damage. This is mostly common for young people, because as we age our cells tend not to reproduce the same way and small changes in our DNA go unstopped which is why older folks are more prone to cancer.
No person’s lungs recover from emphysema, to my knowledge, and EVERY occasional smoker has emphysema to some degree or other.
 
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