How do we know Jesus was really resurrected?

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swariffin said:
Dear Paar,

I think you should make a poll. Do you believe that Jonah ****"literally"went to the belly of a gigantic fish (perhaps even bigger than whales) and survive after staying there in 3 days?? Perhaps the body odor of Jonah was so bad that the giant fish got a hiccup and vomited Jonah out.🙂

By the way, I highlighted your own word claiming that Jesus was treated while He was laid in the tomb. My question is who treated Jesus while the tomb was guarded by roman soldiers under order of Pilate, suggested by the high priest? It is highly possible that the high priest spread some spies to watch for the movement of Jesus deciples. Giving the sentiment against Jesus at that time, many people were in great hatred toward the deciples of Jesus.

Although I believe that nothing is impossible for God, it does not have to be literally true for the story of Jonah for me to understand what God really means.
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For some details, you may access if you like:
tombofjesus.com/2007/home.html

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swariffin said:
Dear Paar,

The other possibility is your ProphetMessenger got the wrong message, made the wrong analysis, and made a wrong conclusion. There was no such proof of Jesus ever live in India, except what you called it from your ProphetMessenger. No other or at least just a few minor scientist ever concluded that Jesus made His way to India, except your ProphetMessenger. You have not even given me any proof that your Quran predicted the incoming of the last ProphetMessenger, except your ProphetMessenger. So, your conclusion, at best cannot be objective, my brother.
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The PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 is a SuccessorCaliph of the peaceful Muhammad at the end times. Muhammad is the Seal of Prophet and now no **Word of Revelation **could descend on any person unless that person is a follower of Muhammad. Others are just waiting and waiting and waiting … ad infinitum; none has come; so they have proved wrong.

I respect your faith. This is what I sincerely believe in with reasons.

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Dear Paar,

Have you objectively study the source you quoted? You are so easily believe in a source as long as it tells something against Christianity. That is not a solid foundation of argument, brother. Objectively studying, means taking sources from two opposing ideas, make comparisons on how and why the author said so, make sure those authors are logical, justify the credibility, and make conclusions. Rather than providing many sources, why don’t you just answer our questions, and we will answer yours. In this case, we can communicate our logic by providing answers.
 
I think the only way one can actually prove that Jesus rose from the dead - though I’m not saying philosophy or discussions are evil or anything - is to live a Christian life. But this is just my opinion.
 
paarsurrey said:
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The PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 is a SuccessorCaliph of the peaceful Muhammad at the end times. Muhammad is the Seal of Prophet and now no **Word of Revelation **could descend on any person unless that person is a follower of Muhammad. Others are just waiting and waiting and waiting … ad infinitum; none has come; so they have proved wrong.

I respect your faith. This is what I sincerely believe in with reasons.

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Dear Paar,

Although I am not well verse in Quran, some of us are. Why don’t you begin explaining your reasons based on Quran as you believe that : (a) your ProphetMessenger is the successorCaliph of the pieceful Muhammad (at this time I will not argue the word “pieceful”), (b) Muhammad is the seal of Prophet and yet you claimed that other word of revelation could descend as long as he/she is the follower of Muhammad. Point (b) itself is already contradictory to me. By the way, it will be out of topic. Perhaps you should make a new thread for this.
 
It seems to me that this conversation is drifting away from what it was intended to be.

After stating your various appropriate answers: " I do not, because I do not believe that he rose from the grave" or " I do because I know him " or more elaborate explanations of your responses, it is no longer appropriate to this thread to defend your position. It seems to me you should create another like " Jesus didn’t Die!" or " Jesus doesn’t Exist" and have your distracting arguments in there.

The question was:
Do any of you have a concrete answer to the atheist conversation stopper of, “You cannot prove to me that Jesus rose from the grave!”

My answer is : You cannot prove to me that he did not, for the same reason. And where there is no proof, you choose to believe that he did not, and I choose to believe, in othe rwords I have faith, that he did.

Or tell them they have no proof even that you yourself exist. Even though they can see you, and touch you. You could be a figment of their imagination. All they can prove is that they exist.
 
swariffin said:
I will not argue the word “pieceful”
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Friend swariffin; the correct word is peaceful not “pieceful”. Perhaps I made a typing mistake or it is from you.
I respect you viewpoint.

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Thanks Paar, I should be aware of my spelling, not only in this forum, but also in other field as well.👍
 
lol.mr swariffin you have used a true word.piecefull.ya islam is really piecefull not peacefull.cuz they are cutting ppls in piece.muhamed also did that during his jihad
 
Dear Morningstar,

I appreciate you addressing me by mr. Actually, I prefer that everybody call me by name only. Addressing people by names makes this forum as being informal as it is intended. Moreover, I feel closer as a brother being called by name. Thanks and God bless you.
 
thanks brother swariffin.now i will surely call you as brother.jesus the holy lord bless all of us.AMEN
 
can i ask a question to my muslim fellows?i don’t want any controversy in this thread cuz i know few about christianity.so pls muslim fellow prove that jesus didn’t resurrect.prove that your allah took him to heaven directly when jesus alive.but pls don’t use the reference of quran.cuz i don’t belive this fiction book quran
 
Delora said:
The question was:
Do any of you have a concrete answer to the atheist conversation stopper of, “You cannot prove to me that Jesus rose from the grave!”

My answer is : You cannot prove to me that he did not, for the same reason. And where there is no proof, you choose to believe that he did not, and I choose to believe, in othe rwords I have faith, that he did.
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That puts Catholics on a weaker position becoming equal with AtheistsAgnostics; they are already winning against CatholicsProtestants secretly.

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paarsurrey said:
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That puts Catholics on a weaker position becoming equal with AtheistsAgnostics; they are already winning against CatholicsProtestants secretly.

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Would they got any Gold medal? If anybody does not believe that Jesus was resurrected, it is nothing to do with Catholicism. Realistically, I don’t see that believing in Jesus formally will determine the eligibility to enter the kingdom of God or not. If an atheist loves other people to the outmost, then he/she is already following Christ although he/she denied it. I would rather having an atheist friend who is so helpful and care of others, compared to any Catholic who said Halleluyah but kill the unbelievers. The same thing is, I would rather have a brother like you who is continue questioning about Jesus but do it peacefully, compared to a person shouting Allahuakbar and detonate a bomb. Why do I become Catholic rather than a good Atheist? Because I see with my own eyes undeniably good things done by Catholics like John Paul II or Mother Theresa. If they can do good things that most people can’t do, then the driving force must not come from human being. If more Ahmadians compared to the Catholics can do things like what Mother Theresa did, I may perhaps become an Ahmadian. Forget about theology. It is just for discussion and the exercise of logic. It is faith which saves people, not theology. It is not a matter of who is winning or losing the arguments, brother.
 
for heaven’s sake let not Muhammad’s gnosticism be part of this thread.
 
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