How do we know that Christianity is the only religion to follow for Heaven?

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If you find yourself in heaven it will have been through the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church Christ founded for that very reason.

It is so scriptural and not deniable.
 
If you find yourself in heaven it will have been through the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church Christ founded for that very reason.

It is so scriptural and not deniable.
There is nothing in the whole of scripture that states that salvation is an act performed by a church. There really is not much said of churches.

There are many who were saved in the old testament and the new, none by any act of a church.
 
There is nothing in the whole of scripture that states that salvation is an act performed by a church. There really is not much said of churches.

There are many who were saved in the old testament and the new, none by any act of a church.
Christ called the Church His Body, and when Saul (St Paul) used to persecute the Church, Christ told him that he’s persecuting Him.

We are saved by grace, and God gives us His graces through the Church in the Sacraments. (like Baptism, which Christ said is necessary)
 
Christ called the Church His Body, and when Saul (St Paul) used to persecute the Church, Christ told him that he’s persecuting Him.

We are saved by grace, and God gives us His graces through the Church in the Sacraments. (like Baptism, which Christ said is necessary)
This is what you hope I suppose, but I have not found any of this to be true. I know God thanks…
 
This is what you hope I suppose, but I have not found any of this to be true. I know God thanks…
The Church is the body of Christ
Col 1:18 - He is the head of the body, the church.
1 Cor 12:20-27 - you are Christ’s body, individually parts of it.
Eph 5:30 - we are members of His body.
Rom 12:4-5 - though many, we are one body in Christ
1 Cor 6:15 - Don’t you know your bodies are members of Christ?
 
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People of the wolrd like Gandhi, who were not Christian and good people in general who aren’t Christian, where do they go after death. My point in this thread is, how do we know Christianity is truly the “one” religion, and if I were a good person my entire life but did not have a strong relationship where would I be headed?
Depends on what you mean by “good.” If you mean “living a respectable life” or doing the kinds of actions that cause society to applaud you, then God doesn’t care about that. You can do all sorts of “good” things and still be rotten to the core with pride and selfishness. But if you mean by a “good person” “one whose actions spring fundamentally from love of God and neighbor,” then such a person is obviously moved by the Holy Spirit and on their way to God, even if they have never heard of Christ and/or do not believe in God.

When Gandhi is mentioned xians look the otherway.
Was he good or evil? They cannot dare to pronounce either way.
 
When Gandhi is mentioned xians look the otherway.
That is not my experience.
Was he good or evil? They cannot dare to pronounce either way.
I think we should be very slow to say that someone (particularly someone we don’t know) is truly good, and we should be much, much slower to say that anyone is evil.

So this inability to “pronounce either way” is modest and proper.

I think Gandhi was insufferably obnoxious (accepting the hospitality of his Christian friends while in England and then deliberately insulting their religion and culture, for instance), but many holy people have been equally so.

Edwin
 
i am not against anyone who does good and are saved by it. the confusion is that St Paul says that those who do not believe in Jesus are already condemned.
Actually John. And in context I think that’s clearly referring to religious leaders who refused to accept Jesus out of spiritual pride.
now if we are good and do not need to believe in Jesus to be reach Heaven, then there is no point in evangelizing to the good people, is this correct?
No, because no one is good. We all need the grace of Christ. That grace may well be at work in people’s lives even though they have not explicitly believed in Christ. But as Christians we believe that God’s grace moves all people toward Christ, even if that happens in ways that we cannot directly perceive in this life.

I think we need to step back and consider what “evangelization” is. Too often Christians treat evangelization as a sort of sales pitch, justify this approach by the belief that all non-Christians are going to hell, and then cling madly to the belief in the damnation of all Christians because if we abandon it we will lose the need to “evangelize.” But if evangelization is witnessing through word and deed to God’s saving acts in Christ, then it doesn’t require any particular belief as to what will happen to people who do or don’t become Christians. All it requires is a conviction that God has acted to save the world in Jesus Christ and that this is a message that, as our Quaker brothers and sisters might say, “speaks to the condition” of all human beings.

Edwin
 
Hi
i know some few line about the Christianity is only one religion that i given below.

We believe this because it is in the Bible and God would not lie to anybody! we believe God loves us so much that He sacrificed His son Jesus to die so that we can go to heaven.

Many religions contain truth which is truth indeed and can be applied to all people everywhere, such as good moral principles and how to live right etc. Many religions also make claims about reality which are in the realm of personal belief and cannot be verified. In some cases they go directly contrary to what we know are facts about the world and the universe - I am not talking here about things which are disputed (such as the creation versus evolution debate), but about known facts such as that the earth is round not flat and that it isn’t supported by four elephants.

I am happy to see this forum .

keep posting to us regularly .
thank you .

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I think we should be very slow to say that someone (particularly someone we don’t know) is truly good, and we should be much, much slower to say that anyone is evil.
Yeah. Looking the otherway.
So this inability to “pronounce either way” is modest and proper.
Please show this modesty when you send non catholics to your hell.
I think Gandhi was insufferably obnoxious (accepting the hospitality of his Christian friends while in England and then deliberately insulting their religion and culture, for instance), but many holy people have been equally so.
He was no Hindu godman. Period.

Instances of his being obnoxious??

Instances of his insulting the hosts?

Insulting other religions? Have catholics stopped this practice? Yes, many whom you call holy men have been doing it. Even the pope does it.
 
My whole life up until a year ago I did not know of my faith in God. The world is full of many and different religions, so I had the choice of religion that in my opinion seemed “right”. But aren’t all religions “right” in their own sense? And if all religions are right then why does each of them say only their religion and their belief system will get you into heaven-nothing else and no other faith. People of the wolrd like Gandhi, who were not Christian and good people in general who aren’t Christian, where do they go after death. My point in this thread is, how do we know Christianity is truly the “one” religion, and if I were a good person my entire life but did not have a strong relationship where would I be headed?

-Samuel
…people do not have to be christian to get into heaven! 😛
 
you failed to make distinction between God and man. Gandhi is not Jesus or God.

philophies of men are all around us, since man was created with creativity and intelegence.

i am not argue about how great man are or how inteligent they are.
one could follow many gods. Zheus, budha and so on…

but the argument is how can we know the door to Heaven? it must have one and not many. if there is so, then Jesus did not have to go through such a death so many could be saved. i say many because that is what Jesus says. for He knows not all will believe.

Jesus said: seek and you shall find. knock and shall be opened.

Hell is very real and until you believe this, you will easily follow what ever you think it sounds good to you.
TO a certain degree from the evidence i provided above Ghandhi was follower of Christ. He might not have recited the nicene creed, interpreted the meaning of the crucifixion the same way traditional christianity does and posit that Christianity is the only path to God but he clearly had an appreciation for Christ. The point I think that should be made about Ghandhi s that lets say that Ghandhi for the sake of argument never commited any sin and if he did they were nominal sins or sins that he commited in his youth. Now is it fair to sentence this man for eternity to suffer in hell simply because his culture’s interpretation of who God is and his relationsip to humanity is wrong. This is ridiculous, There is no logical reason why someone should endure such a puishment simply because they dont subscribe to a 2000 year old faith that is not scientifically verifiable.
Well, the answer is that they don’t. Which other religions teach this? Other than Christianity, the only major religion that generally teaches this as far as I know is Islam, although Islam is easier to interpret in an “inclusivist” sense than Christianity (since for Muslims what saves is submission to God and the effort to do God’s will). Perhaps some forms of Vaishnava Hinduism teach something like this, but the Hindu belief in reincarnation makes this “exclusivism” look very different from the Christian and Muslim versions.

Edwin
Remember though that you can uderstand the whole of any religion by reading books on the religion itself you have to go into the individual scriptures. I found in some parts of the Bhagvata Purana that it says to take refuge in Krishna alone. Also in some of the Kalpa Sutras Jainist scriptures it warns against follwing false doctrine. So Im sure exclusivst claims from other religions exist you just have to know where to find them. Also, In Vaishnava Hinduism particularly with the ISCON community it is believed that believers will eventually reach Krishnas 'abode" which might be interpreted as heaven. The text frequentlly talks about the “kingdom of God,”
Keep in mind that at one time, all religions were held to be true.

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HA HA yea funny maybe you and me should team up and spread the truth of agnosticism.
Hi 🙂
that’s a good question. It’s one I really struggled with when I was choosing a religion.

the way I began seeing it, is that other religions are ways that people are searching for God… but Christianity, is God searching for us. Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. He didn’t just give us a way… He is the way. If you ask Him for the truth, if you seek it with an open heart, He will lead you closer to Himself.

I read a book called “Mere Christanity” by CS Lewis… and it’s really good, it really helped me understand why Christianity is the true religion 🙂 Lewis was an Anglican, but pretty traditional, and his views are very much like Catholic views on most topics.
it’s available online: philosophyforlife.com/mctoc.htm

God bless!!
That is not my experience.

I think we should be very slow to say that someone (particularly someone we don’t know) is truly good, and we should be much, much slower to say that anyone is evil.

So this inability to “pronounce either way” is modest and proper.

I think Gandhi was insufferably obnoxious (accepting the hospitality of his Christian friends while in England and then deliberately insulting their religion and culture, for instance), but many holy people have been equally so.

Edwin

I would be curious to see the writings of Ghandhi insulting christianity. It might have been a momentary lapse in judgement based on his part. For the most part Christianity has been yoked with colonialism so it is understandable why someone like Ghandhi would have a distaste for Christianity.
 
TO a certain degree from the evidence i provided above Ghandhi was follower of Christ. He might not have recited the nicene creed, interpreted the meaning of the crucifixion the same way traditional christianity does and posit that Christianity is the only path to God but he clearly had an appreciation for Christ. The point I think that should be made about Ghandhi s that lets say that Ghandhi for the sake of argument never commited any sin and if he did they were nominal sins or sins that he commited in his youth. Now is it fair to sentence this man for eternity to suffer in hell simply because his culture’s interpretation of who God is and his relationsip to humanity is wrong. This is ridiculous, There is no logical reason why someone should endure such a puishment simply because they dont subscribe to a 2000 year old faith that is not scientifically verifiable.

you forgot who made Heavens and earth and all there is in it. it is not who send people to hell, it is God. i cant tell you that God sent ghandi to hell.

i can only tell you what God has revealed to us.

if you read Rev. the letters to the Churches, you will see what God has to say to us.

we are all sinners, we all fell short of the Grace of God. if Gandhi reject Christ after being told about the Salvation throught Jesus, i dont know what to tell you.

HA HA yea funny maybe you and me should team up and spread the truth of agnosticism.
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Hi 🙂
that’s a good question. It’s one I really struggled with when I was choosing a religion.

the way I began seeing it, is that other religions are ways that people are searching for God… but Christianity, is God searching for us. Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. He didn’t just give us a way… He is the way. If you ask Him for the truth, if you seek it with an open heart, He will lead you closer to Himself.

I read a book called “Mere Christanity” by CS Lewis… and it’s really good, it really helped me understand why Christianity is the true religion 🙂 Lewis was an Anglican, but pretty traditional, and his views are very much like Catholic views on most topics.
it’s available online: philosophyforlife.com/mctoc.htm
God bless!!
 
Yeah. Looking the otherway.
Or in other words, not pretending that I am God and know people’s hearts.
Please show this modesty when you send non catholics to your hell.
First of all, I’m a non-Catholic myself.
In the second place, my point was precisely that I cannot say who is in heaven or hell. You need to listen to what we Christians are actually saying instead of just assuming that you already know what we believe. You will find very few people even on this very conservative forum who believe without qualification that all non-Catholics or non-Christians go to hell. You are attacking a straw man (in the context of this forum).
Instances of his being obnoxious??
Instances of his insulting the hosts?
My Experiments with Truth, Part 2, chap. 22.
Insulting other religions? Have catholics stopped this practice? Yes, many whom you call holy men have been doing it. Even the pope does it.
He could be more tactful at times, but I doubt he would go into the house of a Buddhist and start disparaging Buddha.

However, as I said I recognize that this is more about manners than about holiness.

My bigger concern, as a Christian, would be that Gandhi’s objections to Christianity seemed to have a lot to do with his dislike of the idea that Jesus was uniquely divine. That could stem, human nature being what it is, from Gandhi’s unwillingness to accept that Jesus was any more divine than he (Gandhi) himself. I get the impression that Gandhi thought quite a bit of his own spiritual attainments, and that does make me worry about him. But he’s in God’s hands, and it’s not my job to speculate on his eternal destiny. The point I’m trying to make is that for me at least Gandhi poses no serious theological problem. I see virtues in him which may indicate that he was following God as best He knew, and I see possible signs of spiritual pride and arrogance which might indicate otherwise. But it’s not my business to decide. We are all sinners and it ill behooves any of us to pronounce on the spiritual condition of anyone else.

Edwin
 
TO a certain degree from the evidence i provided above Ghandhi was follower of Christ. He might not have recited the nicene creed, interpreted the meaning of the crucifixion the same way traditional christianity does and posit that Christianity is the only path to God but he clearly had an appreciation for Christ.
Yes, he did, although he thought Buddha was even more admirable in some ways.
The point I think that should be made about Ghandhi s that lets say that Ghandhi for the sake of argument never commited any sin and if he did they were nominal sins or sins that he commited in his youth.
Or more reasonably, assume that he repented of his sins and accepted God’s grace as he understood it.
Now is it fair to sentence this man for eternity to suffer in hell simply because his culture’s interpretation of who God is and his relationsip to humanity is wrong. This is ridiculous, There is no logical reason why someone should endure such a puishment simply because they dont subscribe to a 2000 year old faith that is not scientifically verifiable.
Gandhi isn’t really the best example, because unlike many non-Christians Gandhi clearly understood Christianity pretty well and encountered some Christians whose lives deeply impressed him (though not more so than holy people of other religions). A conservative Christian could make the case that Gandhi clearly had every reason to become a Christian and did not do so because he couldn’t stand the idea of Jesus being more divine than he himself was. Scientific verification isn’t really the issue. Christianity appeals to people’s moral and spiritual sense. And from my perspective as a Christian the question is: does a person reject Christianity for morally and spiritually valid reasons (which would include sincere intellectual doubt), or is a driving factor the person’s unwillingness to face the moral and spiritual demands made on them by Christ? Only God knows which of these is true of any given individual.
Remember though that you can uderstand the whole of any religion by reading books on the religion itself you have to go into the individual scriptures. I found in some parts of the Bhagvata Purana that it says to take refuge in Krishna alone. Also in some of the Kalpa Sutras Jainist scriptures it warns against follwing false doctrine. So Im sure exclusivst claims from other religions exist you just have to know where to find them. Also, In Vaishnava Hinduism particularly with the ISCON community it is believed that believers will eventually reach Krishnas 'abode" which might be interpreted as heaven.
As Pope Benedict reminds us in *Truth and Tolerance, *we have to distinguish between the question of revelation/truth and the question of salvation. The OP was asking about exclusivism with regard to salvation. As I said in my earlier post, this is a tricky question when it comes to Eastern religions because of the belief in reincarnation. Buddhism (by your account Jainism also), which does not surprise me), and some forms of Vaishnava Hinduism are exclusivist in the sense that they see their particular teachings or savior figures as the only way to final liberation from the cycle of rebirth (and in the case of Hinduism union with God). But they can simply say that those who don’t follow the right path in this life will eventually be reborn as a Vaishnava or Buddhist or whatever, and that allows them to say that such a person’s good actions are rewarded and of genuine value in bringing them closer to a better rebirth and thus final liberation.

Hare Krishnas come from the one branch of Hinduism that does believe in hell, so I won’t vouch for what they think. But I would imagine that even they would think that a person who doesn’t trust in Krishna in this life could have a chance to be reincarnated eventually.

Still, you are right that I shouldn’t have started off by saying that only Christianity and some forms of Islam teach that they are the only way to heaven, since a number of Eastern traditions do think that for final salvation to take place you have to believe the right things or put your trust in the right savior. I responded to the OP’s post as if it were saying “every religion teaches that it is the only way to escape hell,” but that is not what the OP said.
I would be curious to see the writings of Ghandhi insulting christianity. It might have been a momentary lapse in judgement based on his part. For the most part Christianity has been yoked with colonialism so it is understandable why someone like Ghandhi would have a distaste for Christianity.
Actually I don’t think he did. I think he was remarkably fair and generous to Christianity and went out of his way to talk about how much he respected many Christians (and, of course, Jesus Himself). The passage I had in mind primarily was from his autobiography, Part 2, chapter 22, in which he gratuitously made a disparaging comparison between Jesus and Buddha while enjoying the hospitality of Christians. That is the sort of thing that a contemporary Christian missions student would be taught *not *to do. I only think it of significance for Gandhi’s character inasmuch as it shows a certain lack of sensitivity to others and perhaps a certain degree of self-righteousness. In exactly the ways that Christians are accused of doing (often with justice), Gandhi seems to have been so sure that his values (vegetarianism, pacifism, etc.) were true and right that he had no problem trampling on the feelings of others who did not share his beliefs (in the same chapter he deliberately set out to make the son of his hosts a vegetarian, knowing that they would not approve).

Edwin
 
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