How do we know that God is good?

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This is a very simple questions which I don’t think requires a lot of explanation.

I want to know how we know that God is good, as opposed to just powerful.
 
This is a very simple questions which I don’t think requires a lot of explanation.

I want to know how we know that God is good, as opposed to just powerful.
Life is immensely valuable. Do you regret having been born?
 
Life is immensely valuable. Do you regret having been born?
He made me, a former atheist, into a devout Catholic! I remember kicking and criticizing the Catholic Church with all my might as an atheist. I went through some AMAZING religious experiences that forever changed my life! These experiences were all mental and profound. Religious thoughts and ideas became manifested in ways that were uncontrollable! Whereas I was just recently kicking the Catholic Church, I was now being forced to become religious from within!
 
Life is immensely valuable. Do you regret having been born?
Nope, I’m glad I was born, although if the alternative was non-existance, that wouldn’t be bad, either.

But, what does that have to do with knowing that God is good and not just powerful?
 
He made me, a former atheist, into a devout Catholic! I remember kicking and criticizing the Catholic Church with all my might as an atheist. I went through some AMAZING religious experiences that forever changed my life! These experiences were all mental and profound. Religious thoughts and ideas became manifested in ways that were uncontrollable! Whereas I was just recently kicking the Catholic Church, I was now being forced to become religious from within!
That’s awesome! But, again, how does that make God good and not just powerful?
 
That’s awesome! But, again, how does that make God good and not just powerful?
Trust me, for God to do that to me proves that He is good. He has yet to let me fall or doubt Him. Amongst the inner thoughts shared with me is that He is good!

If you’re looking for hard core proof, you’re going to have to wait till Heaven!
 
Trust me, for God to do that to me proves that He is good. He has yet to let me fall or doubt Him. Amongst the inner thoughts shared with me is that He is good!

If you’re looking for hard core proof, you’re going to have to wait till Heaven!
Well, that tends to be my problem. I am always looking for proof. I want what I believe to be true. I want God to be both good and powerful. I think that we can see proof for His power, but the goodness is something I always have trouble seeing.
 
The word “good” is interchangeable with the word “perfect”. That being said, that’s why Jesus said no man is good, no not one. But the Word of God tells us that God is good, and perfect. so, it is true because …It is Written… (Meaning, with all the absolute sovereignty with which God has revealed Himself in Sacred Scripture.)
 
It is interesting how you bring up non-existence as an alternative to life. When I was a kid I used to go on and on with my parents about how I wished I could go back to non-existence. It seems like it would be less of a hassle than life, and certainly better than death. Even now, I can’t reconcile the lost souls suffering forever after committing temporal offenses. Would it not be better to have them suffer for a while, then return them to non-existence? As to the proof of God’s goodness, that’s a toughie. All I can offer is the apparent existence of the Natural Law, which seems to beckon us to do good and avoid evil.
 
Well, that tends to be my problem. I am always looking for proof. I want what I believe to be true. I want God to be both good and powerful. I think that we can see proof for His power, but the goodness is something I always have trouble seeing.
As a scientist, I am also someone who longs for proof. I see evidence for God’s goodness and love in His relationship with us. We humans have gone against God time and time again. We even tortured and killed God the Son, and God still forgives us. The Passion and Cross aren’t a case of Jesus undergoing punishment in our place, it is a sign of just how much God loves us. He was willing to endure all that, all for us. I find that pretty strong evidence for goodness and love. Could you forgive someone as they were torturing you to death, as Jesus did on the cross, “Father, forgive them, they do not know what they are doing”.

Those in Hell are there because they chose to be. God gave them the chance to repent, to accept His love but they refused. Those who are merely powerful do not accept repentance, they would not give second chances.
 
This is a very simple questions which I don’t think requires a lot of explanation.

I want to know how we know that God is good, as opposed to just powerful.
because Jesus said it
Mark 10:18 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good?
No one is good except God alone.

Jesus “**I am **the way, and the truth
 
I was first attracted to Christianity reading the gospels, and loved Jesus, who is proof of goodness. It was just a matter of whether it was true or not, which I have assessed it is. That there IS ultimate goodness is what gives me hope when I fail, and others fail me.

Hell is something I have trouble with. I just have to accept on faith that God’s love and justice is perfect, and that I will understand it one day.
 
This is a very simple questions which I don’t think requires a lot of explanation.

I want to know how we know that God is good, as opposed to just powerful.
By praying for the Grace of a lively faith. 🙂
 
This is a very simple questions which I don’t think requires a lot of explanation.

I want to know how we know that God is good, as opposed to just powerful.
Goodness can have many definitions here…so lets try to clarify…in the Thomistic/Aristotlean tradition goodness could be in part defined as that which is desirable and in this sense, God is the ultimate goodness which humanity longs for. The scholastics would equate God’s very existence and being with goodness itself. This was because, being the source of all that exists, the total perfection of all things is in God. By contrast, something is considered evil only when there exists in it a privation - a lacking. Properly understood, evil is thus utterly parasitic to goodness, only properly understood by the void of goodness and in this sense exists as nothing affirmative but only as the remnants of a sort of “negative epmptiness” of that which is good.

God is also good or perhaps it would better to say loving in this sense: Desiring and lacking nothing in Himself, God pours out himself entirely. This perfect Giving of self is reflected in the loving charity of the Trinity itself. The Father pours himself out utterly to the Son and the act of “pouring out” is one so dynamic that it becomes a Person (the Holy Spirit) and thus this action of complete self gift is rendered unto all creation. Thus in this sense can we say that the ultimate reality is Loving, for love only exists among persons. It is in this mystical love that all things were made, not by necessity (for nothing changing NEED exist), but by a loving act or gift.

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Nope, I’m glad I was born, although if the alternative was non-existence, that wouldn’t be bad, either.
If you hadn’t been born you wouldn’t have been able to choose which is better! Thomas Nagel, an atheist, remarked that life is valuable because it is a source of opportunities. And King Lear observed that nothing shall come of nothing!
But, what does that have to do with knowing that God is good and not just powerful?
If God weren’t good why would He bother to create an immensely valuable existence?
 
I was first attracted to Christianity reading the gospels, and loved Jesus, who is proof of goodness. It was just a matter of whether it was true or not, which I have assessed it is. That there IS ultimate goodness is what gives me hope when I fail, and others fail me.

Hell is something I have trouble with. I just have to accept on faith that God’s love and justice is perfect, and that I will understand it one day.
Hell is evidence of God’s love! He created us with free will because otherwise we would be incapable of love… and heaven. Corruptio optima pessima!
 
As a psychologist I was always deeply disappointed that love rarely came up in psychology (it only came up as romantic love and compassionate love). It’s in reading the New Testament that we learn of love, including God’s love. The New Testament is also filled with the virtue of forgiveness, which is also lacking in psychology.
 
As a psychologist I was always deeply disappointed that love rarely came up in psychology (it only came up as romantic love and compassionate love). It’s in reading the New Testament that we learn of love, including God’s love. The New Testament is also filled with the virtue of forgiveness, which is also lacking in psychology.
Have you come across the The Art of Loving by Erich Fromm?
 
I think we make the mistake of confusing God’s “goodness” with our own definition of “goodness,” i.e, that we be happy according to what ‘we’ believe will make us happy. As C. S. Lewis says, we don’t want a Father in heaven, we want a Grandfather, a senile benevolence who will give us everything and anything we want and just let us get on with having a good time. And in that light we tend to perceive any loss, pain, hardship, loneliness, or toil as examples that God is not “good” to us.

I don’t mean to get all preachy, but I believe we need to try to understand that God’s Goodness is different. God put us on this earth to love Him, and understand, through faith, how much He has loved us, long before each of us was born. As His creation we are meant to follow His will and keep His commandments, despite the difficulties of life. The hardships, the injustices of life are just that–life, human, frail, sometimes painful life. As hard as it is to understand, and believe me, it IS hard to understand, to believe, to accommodate it, as Catholics we have to recognize that we are meant for more. This life is just a prelude to what our real life is.

God** is** good. He created us. He gave us this earth. And when we messed it all up He gave us His only, beloved Son to be the perfect atonement for all our idiocies. He wants our Love. He wants us to* want* to love Him because that is what will make us happy. As St. Augustine said, “You have made us for Your own: our hearts will not rest until they rest in Thee”. That is God’s Goodness, to lead us back to Himself.
 
Have you come across the The Art of Loving by Erich Fromm?
Erich Fromm’s book is one of the exceptions. It was never brought up in any of my classes or in the periodicals that I’ve read. I would consider it more of a pop psychology book. And note that it has a large focus on romantic and erotic love, but does also speak of brotherly love.
 
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