How do you explain it?

[mpat4you]

How does the Catholic Church justify the genocide it inflicted across Europe when “non believers” did not want to convert to the church? What do you tell members of the church about the dark time in the early years of the Catholic church?

 

[Joe_5859]

How does the Catholic Church justify the genocide it inflicted across Europe when “non believers” did not want to convert to the church? What do you tell members of the church about the dark time in the early years of the Catholic church?

You’re going to have to be more specific than that if you want to get a good response (along with providing sources).

What “genocide” did the Catholic Church inflict “across Europe”? Dates? Numbers? Historical documentation?

What “dark time” are you referring to? Why was it dark? What did the Church do?

Generally speaking, the Church is made up of sinners. Some members of the Church have done very bad things at different points in history. But, simply because some of the Church’s members fail to live up to the Church’s own teaching doesn’t mean that the Church teaches error.

It’s really difficult to say much more than that without details. These situations really need to be addressed one at a time.

 

[Joe_5859]

I should also add that there is a lot of misinformation about the Church and certain historical events (the Crusades, the Inquisition, Galileo, etc.) One really need to examine the evidence and search for reliable information. A lot that gets put forth as “historical facts” in the popular media is widely discredited by even secular historians.

 

[rpp]

How does the Catholic Church justify the genocide it inflicted across Europe when “non believers” did not want to convert to the church? What do you tell members of the church about the dark time in the early years of the Catholic church?

I am sorry, but I cannot comment about events that took place on other planets, alternate realities or the fevered imaginations of the mentally ill.

 

[graceandglory]

How does the Catholic Church justify the genocide it inflicted across Europe when “non believers” did not want to convert to the church? What do you tell members of the church about the dark time in the early years of the Catholic church?

The book Pope Fiction by Patrick Madrid has good stuff on the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition as well as other dark times that have plagued the Church.

I like what Patrick Madrid says about that time:

“The history of the papacy isn’t all good,” "If the papacy and the succession of the Apostles were of merely human origin and not divinely established and preserved by the Triune God, they would have collapsed centuries ago under the weight of human weakness. … But [the] dark chapters are simply the proof that the Catholic Church is Christ’s Church, not the pope’s Church."

 

[1ke]

How does the Catholic Church justify the genocide it inflicted across Europe when “non believers” did not want to convert to the church?

Forced conversion is not a tenet of the Catholic faith. Perhaps you have the Catholic Church confused with Islam.

What do you tell members of the church about the dark time in the early years of the Catholic church?

Can you be more specific?

 

[puzzleannie]

How does the Catholic Church justify the genocide it inflicted across Europe when “non believers” did not want to convert to the church? What do you tell members of the church about the dark time in the early years of the Catholic church?

reliable sources for this claim?

 

[mark_a]

How does the Catholic Church justify the genocide it inflicted across Europe when “non believers” did not want to convert to the church? What do you tell members of the church about the dark time in the early years of the Catholic church?

Suppose one of your ancestors was one of these genocidal Catholics.

How do you justify your own existance?

 

[kage_ar]

Please document your claims.

 

[thistle]

New member posting anti-Catholic comments and obviously is unable to defend his position. I will be surprised if he makes more posts in this thread.

 

[StCsDavid]

On another level, perhaps we should look at why genocide happens in the first place. In Spe Salvi, Pope Benedict, while not discussing genocide specifically, did address the choice every generation has to again accept or reject good and evil. I wrote about this in my blog yesterday.

As to the OP…Your faith in Christ is good…when you are ready…we can show you a more excellent way.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Well, for starters, we need to agree on the definition of the word “genocide”.

I know that it’s boring to have to agree on a definition.

But, we are talking about a serious accusation here.

Would you want to appear in court to defend yourself, but not be able to get anyone to tell you PRECISELY what the charges against you were?

There was an author named Kafka who’s name actually represents cases such as that in which the defendant or prisoner never actually learns what the charges against him are.

For example, genocide involves large scale killing. Therefore, accusers must be able to catalog the specific events involved.

It is pretty ordinary for people to accuse the Catholic Church of non-specific crimes, but without specificity. That is part of the persecution that the Church has had to endure.

When I have asked people to provide specifics, they usually do two things: 1) they accuse me of being stupid because I didn’t KNOW what they were referring to; and, 2) they accuse me of being “divisive” [their word] and confrontational.

In other words, it is ok to be accused of heinous crimes, but not ok to ask for the details. The Catholic Church is supposed to stand there and accept guilt for unspecified crimes.

Sometimes, also, folks say that the accusation of “genocide” is already specific and that they don’t need to provide details.

 

[graceandglory]

New member posting anti-Catholic comments and obviously is unable to defend his position. I will be surprised if he makes more posts in this thread.

Good call, thistle. He hasn’t been back since he posted this on feb 28th.

He wasn’t interested in hearing a response.:nope: Seems more like an attack. I’ll think twice before “casting my pearls.”

 

[hasikelee]

Heh heh heh, this new poster must have been force fed “A World Lit by Fire” in history class.

It’s strange how teens and new adults are so willing to be rebellious, anti-social, question their government, their parents and the 'establishment" or what have you…but they will read one fictionalized history book required by a quack with a PhD in some survey 101 class and not have one doubt…

 

[Al_Masetti]

I can never let well enough alone.

So, I hereby recommend interested folks read “Fire in the Minds of Men” by James Billington [who by the way is also head of the Library of Congress].

And, just recently, a couple of days ago, came across an outstanding book … from 1964 … that goes into a great deal of modern genocide … “None Dare Call It Treason” … by John A. Stormer. Really excellent in terms of how Communism was developed and the reality of the killing versus the propaganda of denial.

Stormer has written other more recent books, and I intend to read those as well.

Well researched.

Anyway, I get a “kick” [ironic sarcasm] out of folks who persecute the Catholic Church and kill its members and then accuse the Church of persecution.

I guess we have to take a “larger perspective”; in the end, everyone will get what’s coming to them … gives new meaning to “what goes around, comes around”.

Peace, brothers and sisters.