How do you find JOY in SUFFERING?

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How do you find joy in suffering? Don’t give me a lofty, philosophical response. I want a gritty real one. I have been through the ringer with a sudden, heavy, terrifying cross and I just am scared and want to be at peace and find joy like so many of the saints relate. Ugh. I know the flaw is my way of thinking, but how to correct it!?? Please give me your thoughts!!! :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
 
Prayer.

Ask God to help you find peace and joy in His will even if you don’t understand why He has allowed you to suffer this.

The thing is, this isn’t really something we can accomplish ourselves. The saints had joy even during terrible times because God gave them the necessary grace. The ability to suffer martyrdom is a grace. Try to trust God. Ask Him to help you trust Him. I have also sometimes found peace, when I was struggling really badly, through reading the Book of Job. I don’t know if that would help you, though. The psalms can be good too.

You could also start a thread in the prayer section, if you haven’t already. I am praying for you now. :gopray2:
 
Prayer.

Ask God to help you find peace and joy in His will even if you don’t understand why He has allowed you to suffer this.

The thing is, this isn’t really something we can accomplish ourselves. The saints had joy even during terrible times because God gave them the necessary grace. The ability to suffer martyrdom is a grace. Try to trust God. Ask Him to help you trust Him. I have also sometimes found peace, when I was struggling really badly, through reading the Book of Job. I don’t know if that would help you, though. The psalms can be good too.

You could also start a thread in the prayer section, if you haven’t already. I am praying for you now. :gopray2:
Thank you for the prayers! I need them. I am praying so often… God’s working on me! I am mostly fearful of future suffering bc I generally see how past suffering is so fruitful. I just am afraid of hitting rock bottom again. It is a terrible feeling.
 
I don’t find joy in suffering. I find joy that hopefully I will one day be comforted in Heaven for all eternity after any temporary suffering in this life. We believe that our suffering is so great in this life because we cannot compare it to the joy in the next.

Pray and meditate on The Sorrowful Mysteries of the rosary that you find the strength to endure your suffering as Jesus did.
 
Some of the saints have found joy in being united to Christ through their sufferings… That is a transition of heart and mind that eludes most of us I am afraid.

Many years ago I was in a dark and terrifying situation… My husband was in ICU following a difficult surgery and it did not look as though he would make it. It remained very much touch and go for 2-3 months. Now I can’t claim I found any joy in that. However, the situation DID bring him back to the Church and myself and our children into it for the first time. God was able to reach out and meet us in the middle of that suffering, and use that situation to bring about something for our good. I do not mean to say he inflicted it on us in order to convert us, but only that He made His presence and His love known to us in a way that brought us to faith. So now, while I still shudder to think of ever being there again, I can at least say I am glad for having come through it because I am a much better person for it now.

So I suppose I would say is try not to be afraid. Know He is with you. He will not abandon you. You do not need to suffer it all alone. The situation may not resolve itself quickly, but remember He is God and He loves you. Try to trust Him to be your strength and see you through.
 
katholicChick:Its hard.For me its best to read,ponder,meditate on the sufferings of Christ and try to understand what he went through.I know of no other way.I have to seek everyday to keep ahead.I’ll say you a Hail Mary.
 
How do you find joy in suffering? Don’t give me a lofty, philosophical response. I want a gritty real one. I have been through the ringer with a sudden, heavy, terrifying cross and I just am scared and want to be at peace and find joy like so many of the saints relate. Ugh. I know the flaw is my way of thinking, but how to correct it!?? Please give me your thoughts!!! :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
Just a few weeks ago, a priest said in a homily, that only blessings can relieve worry. Think of ourselves as an empty glass. The air in the glass is our worries. How can you remove the air in the glass? You can’t pour the air out, you can’t turn the glass over and make the air fall out. Even if you cover the glass, the air is still there. The only way, short of using an expensive machine to create a vacuum, is to displace the air with water. Pour water in, and the air is pushed out. Water represents our blessings. When we concentrate on what God has given us, then there is no room for the things we lost. God’s grace is sufficient for us, always.
 
+JMJ+
How do you find joy in suffering? Don’t give me a lofty, philosophical response. I want a gritty real one. I have been through the ringer with a sudden, heavy, terrifying cross and I just am scared and want to be at peace and find joy like so many of the saints relate. Ugh. I know the flaw is my way of thinking, but how to correct it!?? Please give me your thoughts!!! :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
katholicchik, I could think of no better way to help you than by praying for you, and offering this suggestion to listen to the words of a (yet unofficial) saint, Archbishop Fulton Sheen, on his talk on Suffering:

youtube.com/watch?v=DM42tmqVdxI&playnext=1&list=PL025DBB9E834E5512

His words have comforted me time and again when the cross of my life seems so heavy for me.

God bless, and I am keeping you in my prayers.
 
katholicchik,

LOL! What an excellent topic. How do you find joy in suffering? Wow. Do I have some things to say to you. You want detailed suggestions and not pie in the sky theory? How about both? I have theories along with personal experiences through which I’ve tested the theories – both in advance and after the fact compared to the actual “suffering.” Might as well get started w/o further intro.

First, let’s distinguish between “pain” and “suffering.” For example, a good massage can “hurt good.” That is, one can have the sensory experience of pain, while knowing even during the feeling of the pain that this pain is part of the process to feel rejoicing as soon as within three seconds when, for example, my back pops and suddenly feels a ton better. Does that mean the pain is not really pain? No, it’s real pain – we just don’t judge it the same as some other types of pain because we know that feeling this pain is a step into something better than before you felt the pain. Yes it’s real pain. Is it unpleasant to experience it? For most of us, no it isn’t. It’s the key to relief.

Now consider a model used in the Bible a great deal. Labor pains are a very extreme form of physical pain, compared to anything I ever hope to experience.
John 16:
20 Amen, amen, I say to you, you will weep and mourn, while the world rejoices; you will grieve, but your grief will become joy.
21 When a woman is in labor, she is in anguish because her hour has arrived; but when she has given birth to a child, she no longer remembers the pain because of her joy that a child has been born into the world.
22 So you also are now in anguish. But I will see you again, and your hearts will rejoice, and no one will take your joy away from you.
So the question becomes, has the woman suffered? Well, I don’t know. Like I showed before, just because it hurts doesn’t mean we have to interpret it as “suffering.” Women look forward to their due date knowing there will be pain, but putting that knowledge aside because of what that pain will bring. They say, “I’m due in 12 weeks,” the answer is, “congratulations.” The answer is not usually, “oh, my poor dear. On that day you will suffer greatly.”

There are more examples, but if we’re OK so far I’ll skip them.

So for this post, I’m assuming that pain is something that is inflicted upon you in some way, while “suffering” is a bit more subjective and is a function of attitudes toward the pain or the cause or result of having experienced the pain.

So, not knowing the type of trauma you have to deal with, I ask you to consider this. What if you were emotional super-ninja? Would you be able to avoid pain? Not always. Would you call it “suffering?” Maybe, maybe not. Emotional super-ninja has no preference over whether others perceive my pain as my suffering, through empathy. They can think it hurts, but I don’t have to just because I’ve been trained with the over-simplified idea that if something is painful, then it’s automatically bad. So take away the “good/bad” aspect of pain for a minute. If you call it bad, the pain becomes suffering. If you call it good, the pain takes on meaning and may even be seen as “good pain.”

Second, I note that we can use the concept of pain and misery, and apply it to any part of the human being we wish. The pain may come through any of the six realms of the person, namely physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, sexual, or social.

Let us further expand the idea of “pain” to include not only individual human beings, but groups of human beings.

Next we can come up with an engineering model, that is good enough to gain insight on this suffering and provide some ideas for relief.

The first part is that you promise not to let things you already believe to be true, false, possible, or impossible, limit the ability of your imagination to fancy a world in which those things were, in fact, possible. A world in which “true” and “false” are beside the salient point. Easier said than done, so all I can realistically ask is that you keep your mind and heart as open as possible to listen without trying to figure or judge or evaluate at the same time. That’s multitasking that’s hard for most of us to do.

I’ll go ahead and post this, but I intend to take this further and give some ideas how to reframe a situation in which there is pain, so that it is possible to reclassify it and it will no longer affect us as “pointless suffering.”

Right now, the important part is to believe that it’s possible for this to happen. Believe that you can learn things that will help you breeze through many types of pain and stress, without it hurting your feelings or controlling your emotions. If you can’t dream of such a world, that will make it harder to pray to the Lord to bring about such a world to you.

Being in the, what I’ll call the “kingdom of peace and joy” is another way of saying to be in a certain frame of mind that things do not take away your peace that Jesus gave us, because your mind and spirit are renewed and you come to fully experience and accept the gift Jesus gave us.

Here’s the difference: the world teaches us that our happiness depends on our behavior or the behavior of others or the weather or whatever, because such things bring components of pain, pleasure, or maybe challenges – like if our plan is thwarted by circumstance, we must now take time and effort to decide what to do next.

We know that we have the technology to control of confine a person and his actions physically. We try to control their thoughts, too, but we don’t do so good a job of that,

I’ll leave it at this for now: first, believe that all is possible for God, including things you might have been led to believe are impossible without hope. If you can do that, the rest will fall into place.

This post is done. God willing, I’ll post more unless you tell me not to.

:blessyou:
Alan
 
I like being able to relate with those who are suffering. If my own problems can help relieve some one else’s suffering, then I find joy, usually by being lighthearted about my own things…
 
Some of the saints have found joy in being united to Christ through their sufferings… That is a transition of heart and mind that eludes most of us I am afraid.
That makes me feel better. the saints always make it look so easy!😊
 
And I will definitely be praying for you, too! Pax Christi!
thank you! I have been through a few very dark times, most recently my daughter’s birth was beyond traumatic (she had Digeorge syndrome and has a whole host of **** I won’t go into) and its just the suddenness of things. We have had the bottom drop out so many times. Lately we are only having severe financial suffering which is fine by me. We had the car repoed and are going to bankrupt to keep the house and just cannot cannot cannot get work anywhere. Even fast food. Its ridiculous the reasons… my husband keeps gettinh “hired” then being turned down after the fact in several jobs for bizarre reasons that just come up. God wants to keep us humble!!! :o But we hang in there. Our Lady is a great source of comfort!!! Love her! (we named our 2nd daughter Mary for good reason 👍)
 
thank you! I have been through a few very dark times, most recently my daughter’s birth was beyond traumatic (she had Digeorge syndrome and has a whole host of **** I won’t go into) and its just the suddenness of things. We have had the bottom drop out so many times. Lately we are only having severe financial suffering which is fine by me. We had the car repoed and are going to bankrupt to keep the house and just cannot cannot cannot get work anywhere. Even fast food. Its ridiculous the reasons… my husband keeps gettinh “hired” then being turned down after the fact in several jobs for bizarre reasons that just come up. God wants to keep us humble!!! :o But we hang in there. Our Lady is a great source of comfort!!! Love her! (we named our 2nd daughter Mary for good reason 👍)
haha you can’t say CR AP??? sorry if that’s offensive. Just wanted to let you know it was PG and not R rated… S words lol.
 
+JMJ+

katholicchik, I could think of no better way to help you than by praying for you, and offering this suggestion to listen to the words of a (yet unofficial) saint, Archbishop Fulton Sheen, on his talk on Suffering:

youtube.com/watch?v=DM42tmqVdxI&playnext=1&list=PL025DBB9E834E5512

His words have comforted me time and again when the cross of my life seems so heavy for me.

God bless, and I am keeping you in my prayers.
ooh thank you for the link!
 
Just a few weeks ago, a priest said in a homily, that only blessings can relieve worry. Think of ourselves as an empty glass. The air in the glass is our worries. How can you remove the air in the glass? You can’t pour the air out, you can’t turn the glass over and make the air fall out. Even if you cover the glass, the air is still there. The only way, short of using an expensive machine to create a vacuum, is to displace the air with water. Pour water in, and the air is pushed out. Water represents our blessings. When we concentrate on what God has given us, then there is no room for the things we lost. God’s grace is sufficient for us, always.
I like that a lot! thank you!👍👍
 
How do you find joy in suffering? Don’t give me a lofty, philosophical response. I want a gritty real one.
Here’s a real one.

I had a severe psychotic episode. It go big enough that, 10 years ago, I lost my job and career of 20 years of engineering and the holder of a master’s degree.

I was locked up against my will, by people who misunderstood what I was trying to tell them. I did things, said things, and thought things that I could never even allude to, much less detail, or even the strongest of us would be either frightened or repulsed.

Now, the Lord has healed me, and I am forever grateful.

By did I suffer? My youngest children grew up with a psychotic father. I have had no job for 10 years possibly capable of supporting my wife and six children. We have gone bankrupt. I spent three years lying down on a mattress all day every day wishing the world would end – so much that I could not do anything else with my mind or even get up and go to the store. Our house burned down in 2005. I could go on, but you get the idea.

All of those things seemed difficult at the time, but now looking back at them they made me what I am today. What is that? I am more at peace and in joy than I ever was before, even since I was a little kid with no worries or serious responsibilities. My children are doing well in school and socially, and are well adjusted emotionally, able to handle critical situations better than most kids could.

If you have never been psychotic, such as with severe bipolar disorder like me, then it is impossible, unless I team up with Shakespeare, for me to convey to you what peace and joy there is when you have nothing except a brain that works right. It is hard for me to tell you the peace in emotional stability through all situations, unless you have truly been plagued by excessive runaway emotions.

Consider the ideas I put forth earlier. They are from a person whose sanity was taken away, and with much study, effort, and prayer, the Lord saw fit to restore better than the original. It is no longer important for my peace that things go smoothly.

Now that I look back at it, I do say I was in a lot of difficult situations, but no more can I honestly call it “suffering” because the pain I felt at the time was part of a renewal process that has resulted in peace and joy far greater than what I would have had if I never went through all that.

To borrow from the model of the water and the glass, notice that water is heavier than air, so if you pour in the water, it automatically pushes out the air. If there is water, you must take the effort to pour it out because the air does not force the water out of the way. The air only comes in if the water is taken out to make room.

In a similar way, God does not force His way into our minds or hearts. We have to open up and let Him in. If He wants us and we don’t go easily, sometimes he has to break us a little bit, so our defenses go down and only then can he come in. This is one way that suffering can lead to joy.

Peace and ❤️,
Alan
 
katholicchik,
LOL! What an excellent topic. How do you find joy in suffering? Wow. Do I have some things to say to you.
Ok I hate to admit it bc I sound like a philosophical light weight (or just an idiot) but that was still just a wee bit over my head. Maybe it was just too comprehensive… or maybe its just that I have 2 babies crawling all over me, the tv blaring Dora, and whining whining whining… LOL thank you for the post. I do want to hear more…
First, let’s distinguish between “pain” and “suffering.” … Does that mean the pain is not really pain? No, it’s real pain – we just don’t judge it the same as some other types of pain because we know that feeling this pain is a step into something better than before you felt the pain. Yes it’s real pain. Is it unpleasant to experience it? For most of us, no it isn’t. It’s the key to relief.
Have you read “Consoling the Heart of Jesus”? It’s excellent – it gives a great explanation that I can relate to bc my daughter has had so many life saving surgeries (and corrective ones as well). The author explains that God doesn’t like to see us suffer but like a parent allows us to go under surgery. It’s hard; it hurts Him too, but it’s necessary. I understand bc I see the good that comes from suffering.
Now consider a model used in the Bible a great deal. Labor pains are a very extreme form of physical pain, compared to anything I ever hope to experience.

So the question becomes, has the woman suffered? Well, I don’t know. Like I showed before, just because it hurts doesn’t mean we have to interpret it as “suffering.” Women look forward to their due date knowing there will be pain, but putting that knowledge aside because of what that pain will bring. They say, “I’m due in 12 weeks,” the answer is, “congratulations.” The answer is not usually, “oh, my poor dear. On that day you will suffer greatly.”
I always personally have a terrible time relating to these mentions in the Bible. My pregnancy was a pain in the butt but healthy then I had a 3 day induced labor, 2 hours of pushing and my daughter was “perfectly healthy”. Then the heartbreaks came immediately when they found her cleft palate. I was told there was no point trying to nurse which was hard enough – then she went into shock at 24 hours old and needed open heart surgery. She had seizures told me she’d be mentally retarded, had a feeding tube put in–and still has it, bad immune function… etc etc etc One blow after another and I am already a very cautious, careful worst-case scenario personality type – if you know what I mean. ANYWAY that was 2 1/2 years ago and I am getting over the depression now. But anyway, the labor pangs and then receiving joy analogy… don’t get it. I understand it, but it doesn’t resonate! 🤷

Anyway I do see how suffering is good, and needed and how God brings forth immense goodness from any bad thing if we let Him!

just adding in that I am at an OK point now. I don’t feel like I have heaps of suffering / pain on me at the moment – were you saying suffering and pain are different btw?? anyway, I am just saying for next time, I want to know how to find JOY like St Therese talks about in Story of a Soul… she says she wants to be (way more eloquently than I put it) burnt at the stake for God, boiled in oil… etc. How do we want to suffer… how to desire suffering? I am WAY TOO ME CENTERED! I know. I pray for that to resolve… but I hate to suffer. I pray for the grace to desire it. I pray to find the joy so I will not be afraid. Though all I can do is trust and wait for the graces… and also pray God is gentle. Everyone says God is gentle and I agree He will not give you more than you can take BUT sometimes it really is to the extreme limit. I was so depressed I remember reading lamentations in adoration in front of the Eucharist and just saying, yes God this is my heart now. Our Lady of sorrows was very comforting bc this happened in Sept and the WONDERFUL priest at the church where we were gave a homily on the 7 dolors daily at mass… God is amazing!!!

😃
The first part is that you promise not to let things you already believe to be true, false, possible, or impossible…
I do believe its possible… if I understand what you put right. I see the saints do it clearly. I LOVE St Gemma and how she asked after Jesus put His crown of thorns on her head, for Him to press it down to show He still loved her (which He did). But me… I get a headache and I take pain killers. I had a 3 day labor… but I had an epidural bc the pain got too intense. I trust that God is working on me in this way… I am seeking a way to figure it out personally… I believe either God will just give me this grace eventually or He will give me a different route to sainthood. I have been praying to be made a saint since I was small. I have all trust that He will get me there some how (I am insanely far but I give God free reign as best as I can). Thank you for reading this. I think I need a spiritual director honestly but am kinda shy on always being so open spiritually. sigh!

I know God will lead me through it and make my suffering bloom into roses… I just want to desire the suffering joyfully and don’t see how to do it. I know I wrote a lot but comments sincerely written would be such a blessing as I am so confused sometimes.

God bless you. May Mary cover you with her maternal mantle of love. <3 <3 <3

Jeni
 
I know God will lead me through it and make my suffering bloom into roses… I just want to desire the suffering joyfully and don’t see how to do it. I know I wrote a lot but comments sincerely written would be such a blessing as I am so confused sometimes.
If you are confused, then you do a pretty good job of hiding it. Your post made perfect sense to me. That is quite some story about your pregnancy. We had a little complications with our sixth child, and it seemed like quite an experience, but nothing like what you are describing.

:blessyou:

Alan
 
Psalms have helped me through much despair. Divine Mercy chaplet and the Rosary gave me strength and the foundation to trust. God bless your in my prayers. Read Divine Mercy in my soul…
 
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