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dumbox
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What would a good Son do for His mother?
His utmost.
His utmost.
How do you know that Mary was assumed body and soul into heaven glory?
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Buddyroe
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Thank you PetraG for an honest account of Rev12:6. Here is an expansion of the reasoning; there are three explanations for the person of the woman in Rev 12. First that she is Israel, second that she is Mary, and third that she is the Church.
Rev 12:1-2 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
The First view is held by some protestants and orthodox believers. By simple reason this view is a possibility, not many like it except perhaps the Replacement theology and Identity Movement heresies.
The Second view held especially by Roman Catholics is that she is Mary, one small caveat against this as being associated with the assumption is that she has yet to give birth, but the image does in most natural respects coincide with the person of Mary. A school of thought allows a split timeline between 12:2 and 12:6 would also allow for the glorious image of 12:6 to apply to events after the assumption of Jesus and thereby allow for the assumption of Mary.
The Third view is held by most protestants usually to set aside the first and second views because it would countermand protestant presuppositions that the Church is not Israel and that a glorified Mary is too Roman.
There is a serious problem with the third view in that it has the woman “a great wonder” giving birth to what certainly must be our Savior Jesus Christ. It is irrational for scripture to propose that the Church is giving birth to Jesus. The split timeline (12:2 & 12:6) explanation can also apply, however the Church would have to be assumed or raptured to appear in heaven. Another explanation is that this glorified image is a yet unfulfilled prophecy of the Church appearing in heaven.
Rev 12:1-2 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
The First view is held by some protestants and orthodox believers. By simple reason this view is a possibility, not many like it except perhaps the Replacement theology and Identity Movement heresies.
The Second view held especially by Roman Catholics is that she is Mary, one small caveat against this as being associated with the assumption is that she has yet to give birth, but the image does in most natural respects coincide with the person of Mary. A school of thought allows a split timeline between 12:2 and 12:6 would also allow for the glorious image of 12:6 to apply to events after the assumption of Jesus and thereby allow for the assumption of Mary.
The Third view is held by most protestants usually to set aside the first and second views because it would countermand protestant presuppositions that the Church is not Israel and that a glorified Mary is too Roman.
There is a serious problem with the third view in that it has the woman “a great wonder” giving birth to what certainly must be our Savior Jesus Christ. It is irrational for scripture to propose that the Church is giving birth to Jesus. The split timeline (12:2 & 12:6) explanation can also apply, however the Church would have to be assumed or raptured to appear in heaven. Another explanation is that this glorified image is a yet unfulfilled prophecy of the Church appearing in heaven.
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MarthaSo
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Wow. Thank you. I never knew Mary was who was being spoken of in Song of Solomon. Is this in the Catechism l, church history or your own very lovely interpretation?
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SeriousQuestion
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It is common in theology.
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MarthaSo
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oh i never read that anywhere! i’m looking forward to doing some research, if anyone could offer a nudge on a resource it’s highly appreciated. Thank you
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SeriousQuestion
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The Glories of Mary by Alphonsus Liguori uses a lot of quotations from Songs. I also saw it in the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
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