How Do You Know Your Interpretation Is Correct?

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I have been speaking to people about what i have been learning here. They come up with Answers Like the bible is Final Authority. One said the word {Heresies} was wrongly Inserted in the bible. So the church can call us Heretics. He thinks Heresy is not a SIN.:eek:
Hi Shaky,

I don’t understand about the heresy comment. What were they saying?

Anna
 
Roy, How are you doing…I’ll keep it brief; you sound like a busy person. You said:
I do not believe that any god ordered the atrocities recorded in the Old Testament. I think the writers wanted to justify such massacres by blaming them on God - and offer all this as proof that they were god’s chosen! I don’t believe in any chosen people.
Roy, do you believe that God chose and preserved a particular people, from before time immemorial, from which the Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, suffering servant, Davidic king humbly riding on a donkey, would come, to eventually establish the throne of David’s kingdom forever for both Jew and gentile?
 
Here, in my home state Protestants, Hindus and Muslims throng the Catholic Churches enmasse for all Marian feasts. The crowds are unmanageable and the state administration goes all out to make the best arrangements because of the popularity of the devotion. Once I saw a Hindu police officer come on stage and sing specially composed songs (different from our regular ones) in praise of Mother Mary.
Pitcharan,

I didn’t know the Hindus and Muslims were so devoted to Mary. Very interesting.

My son spent a summer internship in India while in college. He said his friends would light a candle for the “unknown god,” not wanting to offend any of the “gods.” Interesting trip for him.
 
A few responses
Roy5,

I hope we haven’t scared you off. It’s tough being the one person on a thread that no one agrees with. I’ve been there many times.

I hope you’ll come back to the discussion and work through what you believe and the why behind your beliefs. It’s important for all of us to do that. I’m still trying to decide where I belong. It’s not always easy.

Anna
 
But what most people do not know is about the fact that some evil scribes did distort the Scriptures. It is so plainly said in the OT itself: How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? (Jer 8:8).
Our Lord made it very clear that “permission for divorce” was a human aberration and not God’s Law? See below examples of (i) addition, (ii) deletion and (iii) falsification, by evil men?
  1. ADDITION
    God’s “love command”: 'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19 :18), was compromised to the extent of institutionalising hatred and revenge by hard hearted people who had this written down: If anyone injures his neighbor, whatever he has done must be done to him: fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. As he has injured the other, so he is to be injured. (Lev 24:19-20).
  2. DELETION
    It was prophesied in the OT that the Messiah to come will be called a Nazarene: So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets: “He will be called a Nazarene”. (Matt 2:23c) and that He will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day: *He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day”. *(Lk 23:46).
Who removed from the OT, the verses that said this? Obviously, the authorities who held control over the Scriptures then, because they wanted to cover their crime of having aided and abetted the murder of their Messiah.
  1. FALSIFICATION
    They even tried to supress the truth of His resurrection: When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, telling them, “You are to say, ‘His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep’.” (Matt 28:12-13)
Muslims use this verse all the tme to try and prove that the Holy Bible is corrupt-very circular reasining - using the very book you say is corrupt to try nd prove it is…corrupt!

Yes there is an attempt - some scribes did try to mess with GOD’s Law]. In order to be successful in such a conspiracy the scribes would have to have destroyed every circulating copy and the people’s memory of what GOD’s Law ordered. We would not know the scribes were lying if we didn’t have a true Scripture to compare it to.

Multiple translations can help you get to the truth.
Jeremiah 8 (New International Version)
7 Even the stork in the sky
knows her appointed seasons,
and the dove, the swift and the thrush
observe the time of their migration.
But my people do not know
the requirements of the LORD.
8 " 'How can you say, “We are wise,
for we have the law of the LORD,”
when actually the lying pen of the scribes
has handled it falsely?
9 The wise will be put to shame;
they will be dismayed and trapped.
Since they have rejected the word of the LORD,
what kind of wisdom do they have?

Jeremiah 8 (King James Version)
7Yea, the stork in the heaven knoweth her appointed times; and the turtle and the crane and the swallow observe the time of their coming; but my people know not the judgment of the LORD.
8How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.
9The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?

Jeremiah 8 (Young’s Literal Translation)
7Even a stork in the heavens hath known her seasons, And turtle, and swallow, and crane, Have watched the time of their coming, And – My people have not known the judgment of Jehovah.
8How do ye say, We [are] wise, And the law of Jehovah [is] with us? Surely, lo, falsely it hath wrought, The false pen of scribes.
9Ashamed have been the wise, They have been affrighted, and are captured, Lo, against a word of Jehovah they kicked, And the wisdom of what – have they?

Check out:
blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?strongs=H8267&t=KJV&page=3

That one word h8267 שקר sheqer has different meanings:
  1. lie, deception, disappointment, falsehood
    a) deception (what deceives or disappoints or betrays one)
    b) deceit, fraud, wrong
  2. fraudulently, wrongfully (as adverb)
    c) falsehood (injurious in testimony)
  3. testify falsehood, false oath, swear falsely
    d) falsity (of false or self-deceived prophets)
    e) lie, falsehood (in general)
  4. false tongue
    f) in vain
You must look at the verses before and after. **Which all leads up to whether the scribes were lying or writing in vain, the people were not following GOD’s Law. **

Jesus tells us
Matthew 5:18 (New International Version)
18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
 
It is the Muslims who have corrupted the Bible and misinterpret it all the time…and teach their people an Anti-Christ.
 
Pitcharan,

When Indonesia had the Great Tsunami, I read there was a Catholic church…in Sri Lanka?..the waters came and the Muslims as well went into the Catholic Church…the water went around the Church and no one hurt.

The times between the Assumption of Mary into heaven up to her birthday, September 8, are very special times. July through August is ‘desert time’…facing self vs Christ…and working on personal issues to become more Christ - like.

We are coming to an end of the Age of Mary that began in the 1800’s when she named herself as the Immaculate Conception…a concept that theologians have been debating for a long time.

When I mean Mary is the gift to the Catholic Church, I mean that we acknowledge her…of course, she is mother of all of us…of all mankind. And she will bring many, many people to Christ…

Then we go into the time of Glory of God…the only safe place in this world at this time is the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
 
Has anyone heard of the German Jesuit priests living in Japan during World War II…

Wasn’t the atomic bomb named Trinity dropped on August 15?

And the German Jesuits natives of then Nazi Germany?

When the bomb dropped in Nagasaki – over a Catholic Church – many devout Japanese were taken, or assumed – into heaven – we assume…for enduring persecution and marginalization for being Catholic in Japan.

However, Fr Schiffer was in his home. He was lifted up spinning like a leaf and then thrown into a ditch outside his home. He survived. And so did all the other German Jesuits.

Over 200 scientists studied them and wondered why they had no effects of radiation. They attributed their preservation to Mary of Fatima and living out her requests to pray the daily rosary, offer each morning to God through the Morning Offering making all their daily life a sacrifice of love for Jesus…a most personal and devout relationship.

I read that Fr Arrupe, former head of the Jesuits, was 1000 feet from point zero of one bomb and miraculously survived…the US military also noted survivors with no explanation.

God is greater than the atomic bomb through Mary’s intercession. I asked her protection when I had to go into numerous radiation x rays on my body and knew she was with me each time.

I know her embrace around my heart protecting me from life’s problems getting to me and breaking me.

Some day it will be Mary, the Great Sign in the sky from Revelations – my personal conviction – that will save this world from total annihilation from the fratricide of belief systems – be they competing religions or militant atheism.
 
Tqualey,

I am not redefining the Old Testament…I am simply speaking subjectively from the sensitivity as a Christian who renounces violence through the redemptive love of Jesus Christ.

God gave the Jews the promised land of Israel…even though the Sinai Covenant was already broken by them before they even got there. It could only be restored through Jesus Christ.

Looking at problems since the beginning of Salvation History, the tribal fratricide continues and plays a part in this plan. I again refer to Roy Shoeman’s book and website…'salvation is from the Jews…God had to protect the preservation of the Jewish people and their existence to bring forth the Messiah.

However when Christ came, He was not how they expected…and He worked to make amends among people, and gave healing and new life to those who believed in HIm.

There is a progression of civility among peoples (Muslims rejecting violence and killing in name of religion as one) of the world that parallels the inhumanity of man towards man…with ever more development of sadism and horrific scientific tools to destroy all of us in a matter of now seconds…man made diseases, and so on…
 
Has anyone heard of the German Jesuit priests living in Japan during World War II…

Wasn’t the atomic bomb named Trinity dropped on August 15?

And the German Jesuits natives of then Nazi Germany?

When the bomb dropped in Nagasaki – over a Catholic Church – many devout Japanese were taken, or assumed – into heaven – we assume…for enduring persecution and marginalization for being Catholic in Japan.

However, Fr Schiffer was in his home. He was lifted up spinning like a leaf and then thrown into a ditch outside his home. He survived. And so did all the other German Jesuits.

Over 200 scientists studied them and wondered why they had no effects of radiation. They attributed their preservation to Mary of Fatima and living out her requests to pray the daily rosary, offer each morning to God through the Morning Offering making all their daily life a sacrifice of love for Jesus…a most personal and devout relationship.

I read that Fr Arrupe, former head of the Jesuits, was 1000 feet from point zero of one bomb and miraculously survived…the US military also noted survivors with no explanation.

God is greater than the atomic bomb through Mary’s intercession. I asked her protection when I had to go into numerous radiation x rays on my body and knew she was with me each time.

I know her embrace around my heart protecting me from life’s problems getting to me and breaking me.

Some day it will be Mary, the Great Sign in the sky from Revelations – my personal conviction – that will save this world from total annihilation from the fratricide of belief systems – be they competing religions or militant atheism.
That was beautiful. I’ve also clearly experienced Mother Mary’s power many times and the best was when she saved me from sin by instructing me once to rush for confession and when I reached there, the priest told me that Mother Mary had informed him about my coming.
 
Pitcharan,

That is amazing…Have you heard of the Marian Movement of Priests?

I am trying to find that link that covered the story of the Jesuits in Japan…
 
July is the feast of the Carmelites, desert spirituality…August goes into the the glorification of the body after its purgation of sin…

There are several articles coming out…

August 6 is the feastday of the Transfiguration. Here Jesus allowed His divine state to completely transform His physical body to give the apostles faith preceeding His crucifixion. August 6, Feastday of the Transfiguration, is the date of the Hiroshima Bomb.

There is another article out on where is heaven in context of our future glorified bodies for those who remain faithful to the end of their lives.

August 15 is the day Japan surrendered.

Heaven is not a territorial place. It is not defined at all where heaven is.

Then there is the August 5 article by Donal Anthony Foley on the Jesuits of Hiroshima…

You can find these articles at …Catholicherald.co.uk…

There is another article elsewhere of how the name of “trinity” that includes Jesus Christ was used as the name of the other bomb that was selected probably by J. Robert Oppenheimer in Spiritdaily.net/timestemplate
 
PRmerger

I have been speaking to people about what i have been learning here. They come up with Answers Like the bible is Final Authority.
How curious! Especially, since the Bible does not say it is the Final Authority.

In fact, it says something else is the foundation for our Truth, eh?
One said the word {Heresies} was wrongly Inserted in the bible. So the church can call us Heretics. He thinks Heresy is not a SIN.:eek:
What church calls you a heretic based on the word “heresies” inserted in the Bible? :confused:
 
Hi PRmerger,

Yeah, that was a Baptist forum and I posted there before I formally left the Baptist Church. I did defend Catholicism, because they were making false claims about Catholics. They banned me, claiming I was a “Catholic troll.” lol :rotfl: It’s a strange world.
Indeed.
I’ve been considering Anglicanism, Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox for awhile now.
God’s peace,
Anna
Prayers going up right now for you as you seek first the kingdom of God and come to Love God with your entire heart, MIND, soul and strength. (I find Apologetics is the loving God with our entire MIND part of God’s command. It’s important that we understand what God is revealing–not just say, “It doesn’t matter as long as I love!”)

Also, may I just add that in your search for Truth that you go wherever it leads you; however, I believe that the Truth may (and should!) make you uncomfortable. That is, if you’ve found a Faith that conforms to all your beliefs, then you’ve probably created a god in your own image.

We ought to conform our views (that is, change them if necessary) to the Truth, not conform Truth to our own views.

Which is why I’ve always found it peculiar that people “church shop” until they find a church/pastor/congregation that is “a good fit.” On one hand, I can understand that one ought to feel comfortable in one’s congregation; however, it also smacks to me of creating a god/religion/truth in one’s own image, and not to Truth. i.e. “I’ll go where the pastor teaches “A” because that’s what I believe.” rather than, "This Church teaches the Truth, and while I believe “A”, this Church teaches “not-A”, so perhaps I ought to examine “not-A” more closely.

Just my :twocents:
 
Indeed.

Prayers going up right now for you as you seek first the kingdom of God and come to Love God with your entire heart, MIND, soul and strength. (I find Apologetics is the loving God with our entire MIND part of God’s command. It’s important that we understand what God is revealing–not just say, “It doesn’t matter as long as I love!”)

Also, may I just add that in your search for Truth that you go wherever it leads you; however, I believe that the Truth may (and should!) make you uncomfortable. That is, if you’ve found a Faith that conforms to all your beliefs, then you’ve probably created a god in your own image.

We ought to conform our views (that is, change them if necessary) to the Truth, not conform Truth to our own views.

Which is why I’ve always found it peculiar that people “church shop” until they find a church/pastor/congregation that is “a good fit.” On one hand, I can understand that one ought to feel comfortable in one’s congregation; however, it also smacks to me of creating a god/religion/truth in one’s own image, and not to Truth. i.e. “I’ll go where the pastor teaches “A” because that’s what I believe.” rather than, "This Church teaches the Truth, and while I believe “A”, this Church teaches “not-A”, so perhaps I ought to examine “not-A” more closely.

Just my :twocents:
PR, I left my “comfort zone” about 7 months ago. I’ve released many false doctrines. I do agree that we are to conform our views to the Truth. I’m proceeding cautiously. 🙂

Anna
 
PR, I left my “comfort zone” about 7 months ago. I’ve released many false doctrines. I do agree that we are to conform our views to the Truth. I’m proceeding cautiously. 🙂

Anna
God love ya! :blessyou: for your courage.

(BTW, I was not suggesting at all that you were one of those people who creates a god in his own image. I was just saying that this is something we ought to consider–all of us–as we pursue Him and His Word.) 🙂
 
July is the feast of the Carmelites, desert spirituality…August goes into the the glorification of the body after its purgation of sin…

There are several articles coming out…

August 6 is the feastday of the Transfiguration. Here Jesus allowed His divine state to completely transform His physical body to give the apostles faith preceeding His crucifixion. August 6, Feastday of the Transfiguration, is the date of the Hiroshima Bomb.

There is another article out on where is heaven in context of our future glorified bodies for those who remain faithful to the end of their lives.

August 15 is the day Japan surrendered.

Heaven is not a territorial place. It is not defined at all where heaven is.

Then there is the August 5 article by Donal Anthony Foley on the Jesuits of Hiroshima…

You can find these articles at …Catholicherald.co.uk…

There is another article elsewhere of how the name of “trinity” that includes Jesus Christ was used as the name of the other bomb that was selected probably by J. Robert Oppenheimer in Spiritdaily.net/timestemplate
Thanks for the link. The second link doesn’t really work. There should be a .htm after it.

So basically they named the bomb Trinity because they were under the influence of this one poet and because by killing so many people, they were trying to play God?
 
God love ya! :blessyou: for your courage.

(BTW, I was not suggesting at all that you were one of those people who creates a god in his own image. I was just saying that this is something we ought to consider–all of us–as we pursue Him and His Word.) 🙂
I know. I understood. 🙂 It’s a good reminder though, especially when searching for a Church.

Anna
 
Thanks for the link. The second link doesn’t really work. There should be a .htm after it.

So basically they named the bomb Trinity because they were under the influence of this one poet and because by killing so many people, they were trying to play God?
Julia,

I see you just joined the forums in July. Welcome!
 
That was beautiful. I’ve also clearly experienced Mother Mary’s power many times and the best was when she saved me from sin by instructing me once to rush for confession and when I reached there, the priest told me that Mother Mary had informed him about my coming.
Very interesting.
 
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