How Do You Know Your Interpretation Is Correct?

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You are quite wrong there fhansen. There are over 30,000 incumbent Popes and one being inaugurated every month I think. And then you need to multiply that by the number in each congregation and you literally have an incredible number of popes. And yes, all being guided by the Holy Spirit to differing and even opposing conclusions.🙂
Are the conclusions too specific?

Could you say that we agree that:

During the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed

Jesus celebrated the passover with HIS disciples

HE said to do it in rememberance of HIM

It is a spiritual food for us, it strengthens our faith.

We all agree we should do this as often as we can.

We have more requirements but basically, only people who believe that Jesus died for our sins can/should participate.

That this celebration has been going on since the time it was instituted.

That both the Body and Blood/ bread and wine must be consumed for the full meal.
 
Hi, Nicea325,

You know … I have noticed that, too! 😃

It is just totally outrageous… and for the Solo Scriptura, this must really be a bitter pill - with John 6 having over twenty references to Christ being the Bread come down from heaven - the New Mana - and we are required to eat His Flesh if we are to have life … and this is just dismissed with the misapplication of “…the spirit gives life…”!! :eek:

Of course, there is a practical side to side (at least on this side of this mortal coil) you see, to consecrate the common bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Human Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ - you need an ordained priest. And, since these guys abandoned the Church founded by Christ on Peter (Matt 16:18) well, we had better come up with something else! And, they did! There answer is - it doesn’t exist except as a memory!

What is really sad is the ones who have been deceived with this foolish and self-serving interpretation.

God bless
I totally hear you out! The other rebuttal I get is the famous verse:

It is the Spirit who gives life;the flesh profits nothing (John 6:63) NKJV

Ahhhhh…but Jesus did not say: MY flesh,but the flesh.

But I do recall Jesus saying:

If anyone eats of this bread,he will live forever; and the bread that I give is MY FLESH,which I shall give for the life of the world. (John 6:51) NJKV

👍
 
Hi, Schaick,

I am confident that Benedictus2 can address your concerns … but, something on your post just lept out at me and said, “This is soooooooooooooooooooooo wrong! Help!”

So, I thought I would give it a shot! 😃
Are the conclusions too specific?

Could you say that we agree that:

During the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed

Jesus celebrated the passover with HIS disciples

You have really done fine up to this point - and, I would be remiss if I did not point this out!

HE said to do it in rememberance of HIM

Right on! In fact, let me give you the reference: Luke 22:19, 1Cor 12:24 - you really did well here.

It is a spiritual food for us, it strengthens our faith.

Ooooooops, now we have a problem. So, let’s take a good look at this: go to Ex. 12:7-9 and note that a real ba-ba-ba type lamb was killed and its blood used to signifiy that it had not only been sacrificed but it was saving the Hebrews. Now,the Apostles were quite aware about the significance of the Passover meal - and NONE of it was spiritual. They really did eat the real food that was there at the “Last Supper.” And, what is so different from the Ex 12 prototype is that the Apostles were REALLY eating and drinking the Body, Blood, Human Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ under the appearances of common bread and wine. And, here is the reference for that: Matt 26:26, Mark 14:22, Luke 22:15 and 1Cor 11:24 (private revelation to St. Paul who was not at the Last Supper) Here is another link you will find helpful: catholicapologetics.org/ap060500.htm

Of course, we can say that the Eucharist is our Spiritual Food in the sense that the Body and Blood of Christ, under the appearance of Bread and Wine strengthens our soul with the Grace of God. But, somehow I did not think you actually meant it this way … at least within the context of what you had been previously saying - and, that is why I ‘threw a flag’.

We all agree we should do this as often as we can.

Hmmmmmm … not quite!:eek: Maybe this is just a matter of emphasis, but when you say, “…as often as we can…” is that really different from, “…whenever you get around to it…”? The emphasis Christ used (John 6:53) is really quite different. “Unless you eat the Flesh of the Son of Man and drink His Blood you have no life in you.” So, do you want to live? If the answer is “yes”, then I would recommend a re-read on John 6 and see just where you fit into this picture where Christ promises His Body for us to live - and then delivers it on Holy Thursday at the Last Supper - and then as the Pascal Lamb dies for our sins the next day. Now, I think that is something you can agree with… 😃

We have more requirements but basically, only people who believe that Jesus died for our sins can/should participate.

But, just what is it that you are having requirements for - bread and grape juice? There is NOTHING biblical in what you are doing besides getting together and remembering Jesus with a snack. This in no way reflects the previous verses given on what Christ is actually doing for us: giving us His Flesh for the life of the world. This is not what you are either providing or describing.

That this celebration has been going on since the time it was instituted.

Hmmmmmm … yes and no! The celebration of Christ’s Body and Blood, Human Soul and Divinity that He gave His Apostles the Power to repeat has been going on since Holy Thursday night. What you just described as a memorial service began sometime after the 16th Century. There really is a BIG DIFFERENCE HERE.

That both the Body and Blood/ bread and wine must be consumed for the full meal.
i am not sure why you capitalized “Body” and “Blood” when you have already acknowledged they are not the Body and Blood of Christ! This is not a grammatical issue on capitalization! Rather, only consecrated priests with full authority have the delegated Power of God to say the Mass where the common bread and wine are totally transformed into Christ - and He has chosen to remain hidden under the appearance of Bread and Wine. There is the difference.

God bless
 
Yes. Jesus did ask for something to eat in HIS resurrected, glorified and immortal body. It may be a material body but somehow it is definately changed. It was no longer perishable.
Indeed ! and this is another proof of the Lord’s Awsomeness and Mercy. This is what he says in Luke 24, Touch me and see for yourselves,a ghost has no flesh and bones.

God Bless
onenow1 🍿
 
GOD’s Word. I gave you an example showing how it works. Bible verses supporting my interpretation as to what exactly Jesus was talking about.

Eventually with every interpretation you have to take all the verses together and see if they match up. My interpretation has backing from other verses in the New Testament.
Is **your interpretation **of God’s word infallible?
 
Yes. Jesus did ask for something to eat in HIS resurrected, glorified and immortal body. It may be a material body but somehow it is definately changed. It was no longer perishable.
Very true. So therefore you agree with me that if Jesus is present in the Eucharist, there is a materiality that is present, not just spiritual.

So if there is a materiality to the Resurrected Body of Christ, can you now define for me how is Jesus exactly present in the Eucharits? Is it just His spirit? Or is it Jesus’s Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity? So are we eating His flesh and drinking His blood in the fullest sense of the word?

By the way, I like the fact that you capitalize your pronouns when referring to our Lord 👍
 
*Jesus said “This is my body, this is my blood” “…for my flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed” “unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you” “Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have Eternal Life” and he repeated himself several times.

Now, I do not think that there is a man alive (I may be wrong) who understands what Jesus meant exactly by his flesh and blood but he did not say spiritual flesh and blood. He said “I am the Bread of Life” “this is my flesh, this is my blood”. Because Jesus said all these things and emphasised what he said I believe exactly what he said and so do all Catholics (or they should). I TRUST JESUS.

To argue endlessly about whether it is His physical body or spiritual body is pointless - it is beyond our comprehension. It is not something we can assume to understand. At least to my way of thinking.

What is important is that only an ordained Priest (Holy Orders) can consecrate bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ. It is Jesus’ gift to us.

Cinette:)*
 
*Jesus said “This is my body, this is my blood” “…for my flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed” “unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you” “Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have Eternal Life” and he repeated himself several times.

Now, I do not think that there is a man alive (I may be wrong) who understands what Jesus meant exactly by his flesh and blood but he did not say spiritual flesh and blood. He said “I am the Bread of Life” “this is my flesh, this is my blood”. Because Jesus said all these things and emphasised what he said I believe exactly what he said and so do all Catholics (or they should). I TRUST JESUS.

To argue endlessly about whether it is His physical body or spiritual body is pointless - it is beyond our comprehension. It is not something we can assume to understand. At least to my way of thinking.

What is important is that only an ordained Priest (Holy Orders) can consecrate bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ. It is Jesus’ gift to us.

Cinette:)*
Hi Cinette

I think Jesus had both: A physical body and a spiritual body combined. what about doubting Thomas. Did he not put his fingers into the holes of the hands of Jesus Christ.
And also put his hand into his side where the spear went into him.

Also i have only Just found out about the bread and wine actually becoming the body and blood of Christ by transubstantiation. which means although it is still bread and wine.
also there is supposed to be the flesh and blood of christ mixed into the bread and wine.
 
Hi Cinette

I think Jesus had both: A physical body and a spiritual body combined. what about doubting Thomas. Did he not put his fingers into the holes of the hands of Jesus Christ.
And also put his hand into his side where the spear went into him.

Also i have only Just found out about the bread and wine actually becoming the body and blood of Christ by transubstantiation. which means although it is still bread and wine.
also there is supposed to be the flesh and blood of christ mixed into the bread and wine.
*No sweetheart not mixed into the bread and wine. It is the body and blood of Jesus under the APPEARANCE of bread and wine. It is one of the great mysteries of our Faith.

There would not be Faith without mysteries. How about the Trinity? Do you understand this mystery? The Ascension? The Resurrection? The Incarnation? Huh? But you believe? Well why not the eating of Jesus’ flesh and blood? Its just another mystery and if you believe in Jesus you will believe in the Eucharist.

God bless you
Cinette:)*
 
Hi, Shaky,
I do not where you found out about Transubstantiation, but, you are not working with the correct definition or understanding Let me help here…
Also i have only Just found out about the bread and wine actually becoming the body and blood of Christ by transubstantiation. which means although it is still bread and wine.
also there is supposed to be the flesh and blood of christ mixed into the bread and wine.
The basic idea is that the accidents of bread and wine remain after the Consecration, but what we now have is the Body, Blood, Human Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ. This is the same Body that Christ gave to His Disciples at the Last Supper and told them to eat and presented in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke. This is the same Body that Christ promised to the Jews in John 6 and told His listeners that unless they ate His Flesh, they had no life in them.

Here are a couple of links:

scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c1a3.htm#V - from the Catholic Cathechism

catholic.com/thisrock/1993/9307iron.asp - from “This Rock”

catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0501clas.asp

newadvent.org/cathen/05573a.htm - from the Catholic Encyclopedia

If you really want to learn about this doctrine, here are the references that will give you the teachings of the Catholic Church.

God bless
 
Jesus said “This is my body, this is my blood” “…for my flesh is food indeed and my blood is drink indeed” “unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you” “Those who eat my flesh and drink my blood have Eternal Life” and he repeated himself several times.

Now, I do not think that there is a man alive (I may be wrong) who understands what Jesus meant exactly by his flesh and blood but he did not say spiritual flesh and blood. He said “I am the Bread of Life” “this is my flesh, this is my blood”. Because Jesus said all these things and emphasised what he said I believe exactly what he said and so do all Catholics (or they should). I TRUST JESUS.
I would say that no man alive truly understands what the make-up of Jesus was before or after HIS ressurrection.

Yes Jesus did say this is my Body and Blood- but look back at John 6 specifically:

58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever."

63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

AND we know that after ressurrection it is a glorified body.
To argue endlessly about whether it is His physical body or spiritual body is pointless - it is beyond our comprehension. It is not something we can assume to understand. At least to my way of thinking.
EXACTLY!!

So because we are diverse individuals our **application **of the interpretaion will be diverse.
What is important is that only an ordained Priest (Holy Orders) can consecrate bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ. It is Jesus’ gift to us.
LOL!! You just had to inject that!
 
I would say that no man alive truly understands what the make-up of Jesus was before or after HIS ressurrection.

Yes Jesus did say this is my Body and Blood- but look back at John 6 specifically:

58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever."

63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

AND we know that after ressurrection it is a glorified body.

EXACTLY!!

So because we are diverse individuals our **application **of the interpretaion will be diverse.

LOL!! You just had to inject that!
*You have still to declare who and what is your authority.

We have free will and you have made your choice.

Cinette:)*
 
Hi, Schanick,

One of the most important elements of taking scriptural verses OUT of context is that you can have them say anything you want them to say! You see, for Christ to say (after having about 20 statements telling His listeners that His Flesh is their Food) that “…THE flesh counts for nothing…” would be a TOTAL CONTRADICTION of what He just finished saying. Please note, He did not say HIS FLESH counts as nothing. So, let’s take the time to actually put this in context…
I would say that no man alive truly understands what the make-up of Jesus was before or after HIS ressurrection.

Yes Jesus did say this is my Body and Blood- but look back at John 6 specifically:

58This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever."

63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.
48
I am the bread of life.
49
Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died;
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this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.
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I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world."
52
The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”
53
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
54
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
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For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
57
Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
58
This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”
59
These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
60
Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?”
61
Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you?
62
What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
63
It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
64
But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.
65
And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”
66
As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him.
67
Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?”
68
Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.
69
We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”

Look at v 60: the Jews understood Christ for what He said - you must eat My Flesh - and they rejected Him based on His Own Words. The did not reject Him because of a mataphor or a figure of speech or a play on words that offended them. He says you must MUST eat His Flesh - they (including His Disciples) reject this and - He does not say something like, “You misunderstood me!” Christ stands by what He said - even though many left Him.

Your understanding of ‘flesh’ and ‘spirit’ is more appropriate in John 3:5-8

5
Jesus answered, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.
6
What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit.
7
Do not be amazed that I told you, ‘You must be born from above.’
8
The wind blows where it wills, and you can hear the sound it makes, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes; so it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Read the entire John 6 - you see that Christ can create an abundance of food, that Christ has total control over nature and finally, that He brings these two elements in focus with the Eucharistic Discourse. Note how your interpretation flys right in the face of everything that preceeded it. Just read for comprehension as you read the words. I really think that Christ’s Own Words prove the point - and this is where the action is. But, you know, if it were that easy - the Jews would have never walked away and refused to believe. I do not really know what the excuses for this non-belief are today.

God bless
 
OK I’ll try again.

Agreeing on simple basics, which becomes interpretation using GOD’s Word as authority [Scripture must be harmonious], could we [all trinitarian Christians] believe that whether they believe in Real Presence of Body and Blood [human and GOD] of Christ, Real Presence of the Sprirtual Body and Blood [GOD] of Christ, a glorified, immortal Body and Blood [resurrected] of Christ, a symbolic Communion:


  1. *]During the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed
    *]Jesus celebrated the passover with HIS disciples
    *]HE said to do it in rememberance of HIM.
    *]It is a spiritual food for us, it strengthens our faith.
    *] We are to partake often.
    *]That this celebration has been going on since the time it was instituted.
    *]That both the Body and Blood/ bread and wine must be consumed for the full meal.
    *]*A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. *
    *] Only people who believe that Jesus died for our sins can/should participate. For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself.

    I want to add that: *we are in Communion physically and spiritually with Christ *but not sure how that would fit with those that see this as simply a symbolic Communion.

    Can anyone think of anything to add?

    Application:
    How we use these basic truths from GOD’s Word to celebrate our faith.

    1. *]Real Presence of Body and Blood [human and GOD] of Christ
      *]Real Presence of the Sprirtual Body and Blood [GOD] of Christ
      *]a glorified, immortal Body and Blood [resurrected] of Christ
      *]truthfully having a hard time putting this one in the lista symbolic Communion
 
Hi, Schaick,

Actually, and not to put too fine a point on this … what you have just presented is the same thing as what you have previously presented. Additionally, you did not address the very foundation of your argument: harmoney between the different parts of scripture. Here you have the section in John 6 that I copied and pasted for you that presents Jesus as saying unless you eat the Flesh of the Son of Man you have no life in you … and then the sections reported int he Synoptic Gospels where Christ hands the Blessed Bread to His Apostles and says, “This is My Body”.

I really do not play games like this too well … you have internal integrity with the scriptures, you have the harmony you said you wanted - but, you do not have what your church has been teaching. Remember, today people are introduced to Christ and they reject Him for a variety of reasons - why should your church be any different? Honest?

The real argument you are presenting is, “Christ could not do that - it shocked His listeners, it broke numerous Jewish Laws on cannibalism, it must be wrong - and we can not abide these words - at least not as they are presented!” Now, take out the Real Presence and substitute a Virtual Memory and you have a deal!

Please go back and read the post I gave you at 09:55 this a.m. Read Christ’s words in context and stop just extracing this bit about, “…flesh profits nothing…” He died for our sins - paid the price in full with His Flesh - are you saying that is nothing also? :eek:

God bless
OK I’ll try again.

Agreeing on simple basics, which becomes interpretation using GOD’s Word as authority [Scripture must be harmonious], could we [all trinitarian Christians] believe that whether they believe in Real Presence of Body and Blood [human and GOD] of Christ, Real Presence of the Sprirtual Body and Blood [GOD] of Christ, a glorified, immortal Body and Blood [resurrected] of Christ, a symbolic Communion:


  1. *]During the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed
    *]Jesus celebrated the passover with HIS disciples
    *]HE said to do it in rememberance of HIM.
    *]It is a spiritual food for us, it strengthens our faith.
    *] We are to partake often.
    *]That this celebration has been going on since the time it was instituted.
    *]That both the Body and Blood/ bread and wine must be consumed for the full meal.
    *]*A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. *
    *] Only people who believe that Jesus died for our sins can/should participate. For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself.

    I want to add that: *we are in Communion physically and spiritually with Christ *but not sure how that would fit with those that see this as simply a symbolic Communion.

    Can anyone think of anything to add?

    Application:
    How we use these basic truths from GOD’s Word to celebrate our faith.

    1. *]Real Presence of Body and Blood [human and GOD] of Christ
      *]Real Presence of the Sprirtual Body and Blood [GOD] of Christ
      *]a glorified, immortal Body and Blood [resurrected] of Christ
      *]truthfully having a hard time putting this one in the lista symbolic Communion
 
OK I’ll try again.

Agreeing on simple basics, which becomes interpretation using GOD’s Word as authority [Scripture must be harmonious], could we [all trinitarian Christians] believe that whether they believe in Real Presence of Body and Blood [human and GOD] of Christ, Real Presence of the Spiritual Body and Blood [GOD] of Christ, a glorified, immortal Body and Blood [resurrected] of Christ, a symbolic Communion:
1Cor 11:23, St Paul was not present at the Last Supper,he said he received the teaching directly from Jesus.
1Cor 11:23-26, St. Paul repeats the words of consecration of Jesus Christ at the last supper. Interestingly schaick, St.Paul who did not receive the words of Jesus from the Apostles,but directly from Jesus, agrees with Matt, Mark and Luke

1Cor 11:27-29, St. Paul really lays it on the line here, “Therefore, whoever eats this bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily, will be guilty of the Body and the Blood of the Lord. But let a man prove himself, and so let him eat of that bread and drink of the cup; For he who eats and drinks unworthily, with out DISTINGUISHING the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.”

.Matthew 26: in particular wrote predominantly for the Jews of the time, who would have understood very clearly what Jesus meant.
  1. Transubstantiation= Body Blood Soul and Divinity.= Divine Person one with the Father1.Cor11: 27-29. eliminates #4.
As St Agustine said,I would not believe the Gospels if it were not for the Catholic Church.

Peace:)
 
1Cor 11:23, St Paul was not present at the Last Supper,he said he received the teaching directly from Jesus.
1Cor 11:23-26, St. Paul repeats the words of consecration of Jesus Christ at the last supper. Interestingly schaick, St.Paul who did not receive the words of Jesus from the Apostles,but directly from Jesus, agrees with Matt, Mark and Luke

1Cor 11:27-29, St. Paul really lays it on the line here, “Therefore, whoever eats this bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily, will be guilty of the Body and the Blood of the Lord. But let a man prove himself, and so let him eat of that bread and drink of the cup; For he who eats and drinks unworthily, with out DISTINGUISHING the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.”

.Matthew 26: in particular wrote predominantly for the Jews of the time, who would have understood very clearly what Jesus meant.
  1. Transubstantiation= Body Blood Soul and Divinity.= Divine Person one with the Father1.Cor11: 27-29. eliminates #4.
As St Agustine said,I would not believe the Gospels if it were not for the Catholic Church.

Peace:)
*Jesus told us to be like little children. We tend to want to intellectualise everything. If we are to be “Poor in Spirit” we need to understand that we are nothing without God. Whatever God says I will accept even if I do not understand.

Now looking for an explanation for something I cannot understand like saying that the Eucharist is a “spiritual body” is doing just that - trying to find an explanation for something we do not understand.

Cinette:)*
 
OK I’ll try again.

Agreeing on simple basics, which becomes interpretation using GOD’s Word as authority [Scripture must be harmonious], could we [all trinitarian Christians] believe that whether they believe in Real Presence of Body and Blood [human and GOD] of Christ, Real Presence of the Sprirtual Body and Blood [GOD] of Christ, a glorified, immortal Body and Blood [resurrected] of Christ, a symbolic Communion:


  1. *]During the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed
    *]Jesus celebrated the passover with HIS disciples
    *]HE said to do it in rememberance of HIM.
    *]It is a spiritual food for us, it strengthens our faith.
    *] We are to partake often.
    *]That this celebration has been going on since the time it was instituted.
    *]That both the Body and Blood/ bread and wine must be consumed for the full meal.
    *]*A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. *
    *] Only people who believe that Jesus died for our sins can/should participate. For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself.

    I want to add that: *we are in Communion physically and spiritually with Christ *but not sure how that would fit with those that see this as simply a symbolic Communion.

    Can anyone think of anything to add?

    Application:
    How we use these basic truths from GOD’s Word to celebrate our faith.

    1. *]Real Presence of Body and Blood [human and GOD] of Christ
      *]Real Presence of the Sprirtual Body and Blood [GOD] of Christ
      *]a glorified, immortal Body and Blood [resurrected] of Christ
      *]truthfully having a hard time putting this one in the lista symbolic Communion

    1. Hi Shaick,

      I would really like to discuss this in more detail with you but discussing it here will derail the thread.

      The only question relevant here is how do we know who is correct? The above explanation however goes beyond this.

      So, would you like to start a thread regarding this and we can join you on that thread?

      Peace!

      Cory
 
Hi, Onenow1,

👍

God bless
1Cor 11:23, St Paul was not present at the Last Supper,he said he received the teaching directly from Jesus.
1Cor 11:23-26, St. Paul repeats the words of consecration of Jesus Christ at the last supper. Interestingly schaick, St.Paul who did not receive the words of Jesus from the Apostles,but directly from Jesus, agrees with Matt, Mark and Luke

1Cor 11:27-29, St. Paul really lays it on the line here, “Therefore, whoever eats this bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily, will be guilty of the Body and the Blood of the Lord. But let a man prove himself, and so let him eat of that bread and drink of the cup; For he who eats and drinks unworthily, with out DISTINGUISHING the body eats and drinks judgment on himself.”

.Matthew 26: in particular wrote predominantly for the Jews of the time, who would have understood very clearly what Jesus meant.
  1. Transubstantiation= Body Blood Soul and Divinity.= Divine Person one with the Father1.Cor11: 27-29. eliminates #4.
As St Agustine said,I would not believe the Gospels if it were not for the Catholic Church.

Peace:)
 
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