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Robert_Sock
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How do you like the humble nature of Pope Francis, and how do you think it’ll affect social Justice?
How do you like the humble nature of Pope Francis, and how do you think it'll affect social Justice?
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dshix
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I think his obvious humility is a wonderful witness, but there are a number of things about him which make me nervous.
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aemcpa
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I don’t know how a person can “affect social justice”. Please rephrase your question.
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DexUK
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As you’ll see from my current signature, I think our Holy Father is brilliant.
The Church has needed a humble ‘Franciscan’ charism at its heart for decades. On the evidence thus far, he is exactly what we have been needing.
The Church has needed a humble ‘Franciscan’ charism at its heart for decades. On the evidence thus far, he is exactly what we have been needing.
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Tantum_ergo
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With respect,What?.
Pope Benedict and Pope John Paul II, not to mention Pope Paul VI, Pope John XXIII, Pius XII, XI, etc. were NONE of them ‘haughty’ or not humble. They were all humble men. So what about Pope Francis makes you think him ‘more’ humble than others and why should that affect ‘social justice’ more than it was affected under say Pope Benedict or Pope John Paul II etc etc.?
Pope Benedict and Pope John Paul II, not to mention Pope Paul VI, Pope John XXIII, Pius XII, XI, etc. were NONE of them ‘haughty’ or not humble. They were all humble men. So what about Pope Francis makes you think him ‘more’ humble than others and why should that affect ‘social justice’ more than it was affected under say Pope Benedict or Pope John Paul II etc etc.?
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Robert_Sock
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Is true humanitarianism toward the less fortunate a better term? This goes for the person at the individual level and at the societal level.
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Robert_Sock
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The humble nature gets expressed differently by different Popes, and I’'m suggesting the Pope Francis will have a deeper concern for humanitarianism, and thus better ignite humanitarianism in the world.
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Kamaduck
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Right now, I think he’s really, really cool. It’s a shallow opinion, but then there’s something ridiculously awesome about a Latin American Pope with one lung who used to be a chemistry teacher.
He does seem to genuinely care about the poor and be really serious about reform. I’m hoping his attitudes will have positive affects, but I don’t really know what will happen.
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PaulinePresbytr
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There’s a very fine line between charity and forcing someone to give their money to someone else. There is a very fine line between helping the poor and robbing people of the fruits of their labor. Socialism creates poverty, Jesus was in no way a “socialist”.
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Robert_Sock
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I don’t believe that socialism is a bad thing, depending on how it’s implemented. But I think there are a fair number of people who flown on socialism, and anyone who endorses it.
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Unicornlover
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I know!!! When I heard he had a chemistry degree, I was super excited!! (That makes it rather difficult for people to claim the church is “unscientific”.) I can’t wait to see what will happen during his papacy!! I’m really excited because he is a living example of how to live a Christian life, and I am amazed at how humble he is. (It’s not that there aren’t other people out there doing that, but as pope, he’s going to be somebody other people pay attention to.) His actions reflect exactly what our church teaches.Right now, I think he’s really, really cool. It’s a shallow opinion, but then there’s something ridiculously awesome about a Latin American Pope with one lung who used to be a chemistry teacher.
He does seem to genuinely care about the poor and be really serious about reform. I’m hoping his attitudes will have positive affects, but I don’t really know what will happen.
I also love the fact that he took the name Francis after Saint Francis of Assisi.
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triumphguy
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Well Jesus didn’t subscribe to the Marxian dialectic, historical determinism, or class warfare, and he wasn’t trying to set up the dictatorship of the proletariat - in fact there wasn’t a proletariat in Palestine at the time
So, no, Jesus wasn’t a socialist.
Nor was He a Capitalist - and had probably never read Adam Smith’s “Wealth of Nations.”
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triumphguy
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Capitalism creates poverty too.
Which is why the Church does not support either Capitalism or Communism.
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aemcpa
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I will say that I resent the implication that monastic simplicity is an indication of deeper humility. The former is a charism and a particular calling; the latter is a virtue to which all are called regardless of one’s state in life.
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Theophorus
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I think the focus here should be on his drive for personal simplicity rather than on humility, which in my opinion does not exceed that of recent Holy Fathers (including Pope Benedict XVI). His drive for simplicity and his extreme emphasis on the plight of the materially and spiritually poor(as opposed to the poor in spirit) will have a greater impact on true social justice.
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Robert_Sock
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Yes, you may have a point here. Perhaps I should say his ‘humility as expressed in his simplicity.’
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Tantum_ergo
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What makes you think he has a deeper concern? Really? Deeper than WHOM? Remember, you are comparing someone who has been Pope for less than 3 weeks with somebody such as John Paul II, BLESSED John Paul II, who was pope for nearly 30 YEARS, or Pope Benedict who was Pope for nearly 8, to mention only the 2 most recent Popes.
I am not saying that Pope Francis is NOT concerned, but really, this kind of comparison needs to stop. It’s not charitable to Pope Francis OR the other recent popes, and it certainly promotes DIVISION.
Instead of saying things like deeper, which imply that previous Popes weren’t ‘as good’, why not WAIT a bit and see what the Pope himself shows us instead of trying to ‘play the humble card’?
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Robert_Sock
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I’m not saying that he has a deeper concern, but that he expresses it more strongly through his simplicity.
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Robert_Sock
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I suspected that some would label Pope Francis a socialist just because of his humility as a role model, and his being from a third world country.
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