How do you, personally, assist at the NOM?

[NoPlaceLikeRome]

For those who prefer the TLM but still attend the NOM sometimes. I go back and forth. In terms of level of liturgy, we’re not talking about awful here (if it’s awful but not enough to leave, for me there’s no question, it will be the interior way), just the vanilla kind. Really what I’m thinking about is how to make the experience of assisting at the NOM more like the TLM, when one can to some extent engage in private prayer (or whether it’s always best to focus on listening to every reading, saying the responses even if they’re badly translated, etc.)

So far it’s hard since I don’t know what’s the best–to read my '62 missal where we would be? read a spiritual book or pray the rosary except during the readings and consecration? meditate on the Passion? (hard to remember about it, often, during the NOM) Or, do you use a Vatican II hand missal? I’ve seen those but never really wanted to spend money to buy one, but are they worth it a little?

 

[piouswoman]

For those who prefer the TLM but still attend the NOM sometimes. I go back and forth. In terms of level of liturgy, we’re not talking about awful here (if it’s awful but not enough to leave, for me there’s no question, it will be the interior way), just the vanilla kind. Really what I’m thinking about is how to make the experience of assisting at the NOM more like the TLM, when one can to some extent engage in private prayer (or whether it’s always best to focus on listening to every reading, saying the responses even if they’re badly translated, etc.)

So far it’s hard since I don’t know what’s the best–to read my '62 missal where we would be? read a spiritual book or pray the rosary except during the readings and consecration? meditate on the Passion? (hard to remember about it, often, during the NOM) Or, do you use a Vatican II hand missal? I’ve seen those but never really wanted to spend money to buy one, but are they worth it a little?

Why assist at an admittedly inferior Mass? It (the Novus Ordo) is inferior and there are not two ways of looking at it. It is very difficult indeed to meditate on the Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ whilst in the background there is a sense of irreverence, with the presider (?) talking in an overly cheery voice, lots of hugging and kissing, passing out the most Sacred Body and Blood of Our Lord without any care and in the hand without kneeling if desired, singing mundane modern tunes, sometimes now even dancing, and every other abuse and novelty under the sun…simple really, do you like that which is pleasing to God or that which is pleasing to man?

 

[Spiller]

Anyone who answers

I spend much of the time in private prayer, such as adoring Our Lord in the tabernacle, the Rosary, meditating on the Passion

or

I read my '62 (or other pre-Vatican II) Missal for most of the Mass

is in deep need of spiritual direction and catechesis. Thankfully I seriously doubt anyone will answer that way.

The utter ignorance and/or arrogance required to shift ones’ focus from the unbloody re-presentation of the Sacrifice of the God the Son to His Father at Calvary for the propitiation of our sins – past, present and future to either of the above activities would be unfathomable to the great, great majority of Catholic Christians – like 99.9%

 

[Spiller]

Why assist at an admittedly inferior Mass? It (the Novus Ordo) is inferior and there are not two ways of looking at it. It is very difficult indeed to meditate on the Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ whilst in the background there is a sense of irreverence, with the presider (?) talking in an overly cheery voice, lots of hugging and kissing, passing out the most Sacred Body and Blood of Our Lord without any care and in the hand without kneeling if desired, singing mundane modern tunes, sometimes now even dancing, and every other abuse and novelty under the sun…simple really, do you like that which is pleasing to God or that which is pleasing to man?

You’re wrong. Your personal opinion is not supported by the Catholic Church. The Church does not agree with you.

 

[Brennan_Doherty]

You’re wrong. Your personal opinion is not supported by the Catholic Church. The Church does not agree with you.

The Church does not require Catholics to believe that both liturgies are equal. One can believe one form of Mass better conveys the Catholic Faith than another.

 

[piouswoman]

You’re wrong. Your personal opinion is not supported by the Catholic Church. The Church does not agree with you.

No…YOU are wrong, your personal opinion is not supported by the Catholic Church. The Church does not agree with YOU.

You see, I can play that game.

 

[Spiller]

No…YOU are wrong, your personal opinion is not supported by the Catholic Church. The Church does not agree with YOU.

You see, I can play that game.

That’s simply not true. You make untrue comments like:

“Why assist at an admittedly inferior Mass? It (the Novus Ordo) is inferior and there are not two ways of looking at it.”

As if they are somehow true. You could certainly suggest that is your opinion – and everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to suggest it’s a fact is simply wrong.

 

[Spiller]

The Church does not require Catholics to believe that both liturgies are equal. One can believe one form of Mass better conveys the Catholic Faith than another.

LOL! No comments.

People have their preferences but to suggest one is superior to the other without qualification is simply silly.

 

[piouswoman]

Ultra-“traditionalists” and ultra-“progressives” are really one in the same.
One can easily fall into the ditch of dissent on either side of the road.

By the way…did you just make this up? It makes no sense, it is wrong and illogical to boot. It is just so many words meant to confuse and obfuscate, to deceive and distort, to undermine and distract. I reject what you say here…please give a definition of what you are talking about: for example…what is an ultra-traditionalist? what is an ultra-progressive? How are they one and the same? How can one fall into the ditch of dissent on either side of the road if one follows the truth? How can a traditional Catholic who practices the Catholic faith just as popes, bishops, priests, saints, martyrs, and doctors of the church have done for near two thousand years be called "one and the same as “ultra-progressives”? How can a traditional Catholic who rejects error and forty odd years of novelty be confused with an ultra-progressive? I beg for an explanation.

 

[piouswoman]

That’s simply not true. You make untrue comments like:

“Why assist at an admittedly inferior Mass? It (the Novus Ordo) is inferior and there are not two ways of looking at it.”

As if they are somehow true. You could certainly suggest that is your opinion – and everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to suggest it’s a fact is simply wrong.

Would the church be in the mess it is today if it were not otherwise? What are the good fruits of the new mass? What are the good fruits of Vatican II?

 

[Brennan_Doherty]

LOL! No comments.

People have their preferences but to suggest one is superior to the other without qualification is simply silly.

To suggest that one form is better than another without solid reasons and arguments is silly, I agree.

 

[EasterJoy]

Why assist at an admittedly inferior Mass?

Why? Because the worst Mass in the world is still holier than the holiest sinner assisting at it.

 

[EasterJoy]

How can a traditional Catholic who practices the Catholic faith just as popes, bishops, priests, saints, martyrs, and doctors of the church have done for near two thousand years be called "one and the same as “ultra-progressives”? How can a traditional Catholic who rejects error and forty odd years of novelty be confused with an ultra-progressive? I beg for an explanation.

How? Quite easily! Grandma called it “too big for your britches.”

 

[I_Believe]

I need Mass every day. So, with my work schedule, that means I have to assist at the NO Monday-Sat. Sundays, I assist at a TLM.
(If I had a 9-5 job, I could assist at the EF 7 days a week.)

Weekday NO’s are not that bad really. The laity are there because they want to be, not to fulfill an “obligation”.

The NO ordinary itself, I really don’t have a problem with. I pray the Mass as I do at the EF, and I’ve become very apt at keeping my focus on the Mass. I know which regular attendees to sit near. The ones who don’t go overboard with the sign of peace, nor want to grab my hand during the Our Father.

If I do get distracted, by something like a cell phone, an immodestly dressed female, etc., I’ll stop any urge to judge by saying my brief little prayer I’ve found helpful to refocus on the Liturgy.

I’ve got the Advent to Pentecost NO Missal ( St Joseph), but I’m not going to buy Volume two, because they are going to change it here soon. So for now, I simply print out the readings for the day, or mark them in a bible and take it with me. I’ve found it helpful to read the entire chapter the reading is from, before Mass.

The reason I’ve got to have it in front of me to read is because all too often, the lectors mis-pronounce names and stumble through the readings. There is no excuse for that IMO, but with the readings in hand, and having read them before Mass, it’s no longer a distraction.

 

[Spiller]

Ultra-“traditionalists” and ultra-“progressives” are really one in the same.
One can easily fall into the ditch of dissent on either side of the road.

By the way…did you just make this up? It makes no sense, it is wrong and illogical to boot. It is just so many words meant to confuse and obfuscate, to deceive and distort, to undermine and distract. I reject what you say here…please give a definition of what you are talking about: for example…what is an ultra-traditionalist? what is an ultra-progressive? How are they one and the same? How can one fall into the ditch of dissent on either side of the road if one follows the truth? How can a traditional Catholic who practices the Catholic faith just as popes, bishops, priests, saints, martyrs, and doctors of the church have done for near two thousand years be called "one and the same as “ultra-progressives”? How can a traditional Catholic who rejects error and forty odd years of novelty be confused with an ultra-progressive? I beg for an explanation.

It’s VERY logical. Both extremes – ultra-conservatism and ultra-liberalism are the greatest distance (measured in dissent) from perfect orthodoxy.

Some here foolishly believe that ultra-conservatism and ultra-liberalism are polar opposites – that one is good and one is bad. The truth of the matter is they are one in the same. Dissent is dissent.

Driven by pride you have tried to set yourself up as the arbiter of what is “good” and “bad” and even what is “better.” You’re not the arbiter – God is through His Church. Before you respond, take a moment to reflect on your choice of a nickname as just one example of the pride you are projecting…

You want a concrete example of horrid dissent coming from people like you? Your blanket rejection and condemnation of Vatican Council II. Not any abuses you claim arose from the council, but the council itself.

 

[GemmaRose]

For those who prefer the TLM but still attend the NOM sometimes. I go back and forth. In terms of level of liturgy, we’re not talking about awful here (if it’s awful but not enough to leave, for me there’s no question, it will be the interior way), just the vanilla kind. Really what I’m thinking about is how to make the experience of assisting at the NOM more like the TLM, when one can to some extent engage in private prayer (or whether it’s always best to focus on listening to every reading, saying the responses even if they’re badly translated, etc.)

So far it’s hard since I don’t know what’s the best–to read my '62 missal where we would be? read a spiritual book or pray the rosary except during the readings and consecration? meditate on the Passion? (hard to remember about it, often, during the NOM) Or, do you use a Vatican II hand missal? I’ve seen those but never really wanted to spend money to buy one, but are they worth it a little?

Are you serious? :bigyikes:

Are you hard of hearing that you would want to read a missal during the celebration of the Holy Mass? If not, then you don’t need a missal.

Read a spiritual book during Mass? If you want to read, go to the library, not Church.

There are 24 hours in the day – during the Holy Mass is NOT one those hours in which to pray the Rosary!

What you should be doing during Mass is:

• Pay attention to the readings and homily
• Listen to the prayers of the Priest and make them your own
• Respond when you are supposed to respond (and if you don’t know how or when to respond, you should! You are Catholic, aren’t you? )
• Meditation on the Passion (ALWAYS a good practice )… the Sacrifice of Calvary is being re-enacted on the altar right in front of your eyes - you should have absolutely no problem.

 

[Spiller]

Are you serious? :bigyikes:

Are you hard of hearing that you would want to read a missal during the celebration of the Holy Mass? If not, then you don’t need a missal.

Read a spiritual book during Mass? If you want to read, go to the library, not Church.

There are 24 hours in the day – during the Holy Mass is NOT one those hours in which to pray the Rosary!

What you should be doing during Mass is:

• Pay attention to the readings and homily
• Listen to the prayers of the Priest and make them your own
• Respond when you are supposed to respond (and if you don’t know how or when to respond, you should! You are Catholic, aren’t you? )
• Meditation on the Passion (ALWAYS a good practice )… the Sacrifice of Calvary is being re-enacted on the altar right in front of your eyes - you should have absolutely no problem.

Re-presented. Only one crucifixion of Jesus Christ and it’s totally transcendental…

 

[GemmaRose]

Why assist at an admittedly inferior Mass? It (the Novus Ordo) is inferior and there are not two ways of looking at it. It is very difficult indeed to meditate on the Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ whilst in the background there is a sense of irreverence, with the presider (?) talking in an overly cheery voice, lots of hugging and kissing, passing out the most Sacred Body and Blood of Our Lord without any care and in the hand without kneeling if desired, singing mundane modern tunes, sometimes now even dancing, and every other abuse and novelty under the sun…simple really, do you like that which is pleasing to God or that which is pleasing to man?

You seem to refute what others have said to you. Forgive me for what I am about to say, since I agree with them, and have a tendancy to be more blunt.

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   *]People with attitudes like you are more harmful to the Church than beneficial. If I were a non-Catholic thinking about joining the Church and read your post, it would make me do an immediate about-face.
   
   *]Your post reeks of pride. Pride is the greatest of sins. Pride is the root of all sin. Pride was the original sin. Even your screen name “piouswoman” reeks of pride. The great Saints have never referred to themselves as holy; rather, they would speak of themselves as the most vile sinner.
   
   *]The N.O. Mass was given to us by the Magisterium of the Church. For you to attack it as inferior obviously means that you believe the Holy Spirit to no longer be guiding our Church and that the Magisterium in error would give us an “inferior” Mass. Such an attitude shows a pride-filled arrogance and disobedience.
   
   True holiness consists in obedience, which all great Saints practiced to an heroic degree. I respectfully suggest that you should try it.

 

[Cat]

**This is a horrible, horrible thread, and it should be immediately deleted, the OP and his/her compatriots banned, and the Moderators of Family Life should post an abject apology to all of us Catholics who follow the teachings of the Catholic Church and gladly attend NO Masses. **

The very idea of sitting in the Mass meditating on your OWN spiritual pursuits rather than joining in with all the rest of us is so incredibly self-centered and prideful and insulting to the Church that has produced the NO liturgy and encourages its use.

 

[ethelzguy]

Why assist at an admittedly inferior Mass? It (the Novus Ordo) is inferior and there are not two ways of looking at it.

That may be the position of the SSPX, but it is NOT the position of the Catholic Church.