crystal_waters
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How do you pray a chotki? What prayers do you say on it?..do eastern catholics ever use rosary beads or ever pray the rosary and divine mercy chaplet?
How do you pray a chotki?
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ConstantineTG
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The most simple prayer is just straight pray the Jesus prayer on every knot. If you have beads, say the prayer to the Theotokos, “O Most Holy Theotokos, save us.”
You can get a prayer rule to pray assigned to you by a spiritual father. Some are simple enough to pick up, such as saintjonah.org/services/stpachomius.htm
You can get a prayer rule to pray assigned to you by a spiritual father. Some are simple enough to pick up, such as saintjonah.org/services/stpachomius.htm
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TimothyH
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Here is the prayer rule that I use, the “Rule of St. Pachomius”.
I’m Roman Catholic and so I have adapted it, changing the creed to the same one we use in the new edition of the Missal, plus the filioque. Other than that, it is almost identical to what ConstantineTG linked to.
It’s an MS Word doc so it is easily editable for anyone who wants to adjust it. Also in PDF here.
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I’m Roman Catholic and so I have adapted it, changing the creed to the same one we use in the new edition of the Missal, plus the filioque. Other than that, it is almost identical to what ConstantineTG linked to.
It’s an MS Word doc so it is easily editable for anyone who wants to adjust it. Also in PDF here.
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Marybeloved
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Looked at those links-Such beautiful prayers! Plus the psalms, too. If I wasn’t already praying the Rosary and Divine Mercy Chaplet (and struggling to) I might give it a try. But perhaps I could do it once in a while?
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lssanjose
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Speaking of the filioque, I did discuss this issue with my Orthodox friend, as to why there’s still contention surrounding this, last night over beer. Admittedly, we’re church geeks/nerds. Basically, it changes the nature of dispensing of God’s divinity. I could get more exact points, from him, later. He and I also talked about translations of the Our Father, and the use of unto ages of ages, vs. forever (which is often used in Rusyn Catholic prayerbooks)
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lssanjose
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Hi, sister Crystal. I have a Rosary, and a chokti. However, I find the tradition of bead making is really significant. Not that rosary making isn’t precious, but I’ve seen them churned out like hotcakes; and have become giveaway items, in some precincts. Not saying this practice is wrong. But, I love the chokti brother Phillip Rolfes made for me (and yes he charges, as he should, for such labor) And I’m hoping to get a response from him, since I believe he’s busy. I can only perceive the amount of time, and effort he put into making my 33 knot rope.
I do pray the Rosary, when I’m at the Latin rite church I used to attend, in primary fashion, whenever we do rosary for life campaigns in the chapel.
I recently picked up two akathists to pray, via the Orthodox church, wherein, I attend vespers. One of them was the akathist to Mary. There’s also the Prayer Rule of the Theotokos, as well presented by brother Phillip in his blog, The Master Beadsman. These Prayer Rules were presented through St. Seraphim of Sarov.
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Phillip_Rolfes
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Issanjose,
Thank you for your kind words here. I sent you an email and have added you to my waiting list.
With reference to the Akathist, I just wanted to make a point. Many Byzantines (both Catholic and Orthodox) claim that the Akathist to the Mother of God is the Eastern equivalent to the rosary. This is simply not the case. The Eastern/Byzantine equivalent is, indeed, the Prayer Rule of the Theotokos. I know Byzantine parishes who are now encouraging their “Rosary Guilds” to (re)adopt their traditional Byzantine practices by encouraging the Rule of the Theotokos instead of the rosary. I find this very encouraging. I know of at least one parish where they are working to make a full transition into the Rule of the Theotokos. ByzCathCantor can confirm (or deny) this for me.
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Padraig1972
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I have got a chotki (not a very good one) and just say it this way:
- Begin with a sign of the cross (twice)
- As mine is a 100 chotki (i pray four sets of the Jesus Prayer saying:
Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me sinner - On the plastic bead (not sure what they are called yet) i say:
O most Holy Theotokos, pray for us
Us shamefilled, sinful, unworthy and unclean servants
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ConstantineTG
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Why just twice? I’m curious. In the Ukrainian Church we would sign thrice.
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Padraig1972
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Once for The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit.
Once for The Holy Trinity.
But maybe i am not doing it correct, i am open for that.
Once for The Holy Trinity.
But maybe i am not doing it correct, i am open for that.
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lssanjose
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thanks, for the explanation, brother.Issanjose,
Thank you for your kind words here. I sent you an email and have added you to my waiting list.
With reference to the Akathist, I just wanted to make a point. Many Byzantines (both Catholic and Orthodox) claim that the Akathist to the Mother of God is the Eastern equivalent to the rosary. This is simply not the case. The Eastern/Byzantine equivalent is, indeed, the Prayer Rule of the Theotokos. I know Byzantine parishes who are now encouraging their “Rosary Guilds” to (re)adopt their traditional Byzantine practices by encouraging the Rule of the Theotokos instead of the rosary. I find this very encouraging. I know of at least one parish where they are working to make a full transition into the Rule of the Theotokos. ByzCathCantor can confirm (or deny) this for me.
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