it is indeed ONLY AN OPINION of yours
The authority Jesus Christ gave to St. Peter and his successors.
That’s a common refrain. Are you aware the US didn’t qualify for the Indult? How can you hide behind obedience when CITH came into being through disobedience? Is that not hypocritical?
You nor I know why the Holy Father acted as he did. I’d never use the word “wimp” to describe a pope nor should you even in jest.
Check the numbers pre and post V2. Do the math.And that this decision, along with “Novus Ordo” are what is destroying the Cahtolic faith. Am I understanding correctly?
Listen to whomever you choose. I strive not to fill my posts with opinion but rather fact. If you choose to ignore facts that is your preogative.
Sorry choy, but reality is against you. It is not opinion of which I speak but fact. You and people like digger claim facts but never present them. Follow Mark’s lead and back up your counter arguments with relevant sources. We may disagree but at least the contrary arguments are worthy of debate. All you are doing is spewing nonsense like a BP deep sea oil well.
and these successors, the Bishops, some of them has allowed CITH
your opinion. because the documents clearly state that the indult is granted by the Vatican as requested by a Bishop or Bishop’s conference of a country or region
yet you’d imply it to the Church as a whole who “gives in to pressure”
oh but your posts are full of opinions, especially personal interpretations of statements and Church documents
Wrong. Look it up instead of spewing off uninformed.
Right. I post Church documents. You should try it some time. Your posts would have more weight.
you’re the only one who seems uninformed here
I am not going to reply to everything, as choy pretty much summed up my views in post #423.
The data are as simple as that? Where is this data you speak of? I said that EMHCs and CITH,* in my opinion*, contributed to a lack of belief. And that’s true, it is my opinion, just as valid as yours.
Catechesis? Really? If people don’t believe, I think that we are talking evangelization. Even many protestants believe in the Real Presence, even if we don’t agree on how they can confect it.
You have to slow down to receive on the tongue. It fosters reverence.
Please don’t dismiss this as just another practice to be allowed or disallowed by the Church. There is some misconception perhaps. I’m no moral theologian but it seems matters of sacrilege and profanity are covered under divine law, not Church law. As one of the conditions is that any risk to profanity is to be avoided in the CITH, I’d consider this more than a simple matter of preference. Perhaps there is no risk where you are, but I have yet to see of a place where there is absolutely no risk. Most places don’t use patens and most places places still don’t insist on the proper method of reception in the hand so to me, that’s a very sloppy and slippery slope. But as they say, advance at your own risk. But you don’t need to take it to gain the same graces.
I am trying to convince people of what I believe to be the truth (as I am sure you do yourself). There is no reason for my writing to make anyone feel bad and that is certainly not my goal.
You are wasting my time. I already acknowledged the indult and speaking of it in greater depth then the surface. If all you can offer is “if’s allowed” then we don’t have anything more to discuss.
I don’t know about expecting. Perhaps, like the Pope, suggesting?Why are you expectng it of me?
I can think of several other areas that need to be worked on other than this issue, but that’s just me.I don’t know about expecting. Perhaps, like the Pope, suggesting?
To help build up the body of Christ, which is sick in many parts.
I agree!
Sure, but that’s another topic of discussion so the point is really irrelevent.
Great to hear. Start threads on them please.
Just did in the "Liturgy & Sacraments forum.
Cool. It will be good to discuss them with you. However, could you move the thread over here? Debates often get locked quite quickly in the L&S forum.Just did in the "Liturgy & Sacraments forum.
Thread title is “Problems in the Church”
I would, but I am not quite sure how to.
no problem there, but if you’re going to quote me or refer to me, at least make sure what i said is reflected in its entirety. i don’t want people to make an assumption that i said something when i clearly said something else.
i wouldn’t be so hasty to say that just because Practice B is allowed only in some places, Practice A is always better. thats not the case all the time. in some instances, the exception is better than the norm. not that i’m suggesting thats the case here. because the mode of reception is really trivial to whats going on, which is receiving the Eucharist