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nickybr38
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In my parish, sadly, I would.
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People already fuss about my refusal to enter the church without a hat… I shudder to think how I’d be treated if I became the only one receiving on the tongue. sigh
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People already fuss about my refusal to enter the church without a hat… I shudder to think how I’d be treated if I became the only one receiving on the tongue. sigh
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Annabelle_Marie
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That’s too bad…I receive on the hand and don’t were a veil but I don’t see anything wrong with those things…too bad for you
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garn9173
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Nicky, if you feel called by the Holy Spirit to receive on the tounge, then by all means do! If you are uneasy to do so, give your Priest a call and talk with him. I do notice a few in my Parish who receive on the tounge, not very many, but I do notice it. You won’t make a spectacle of yourself.
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grasscutter
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Honestly! How is it anyone else’s business what you wear on your head? I’m sorry you experience this weirdness and I’ll keep you in my prayers! :hug1:
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maltmom
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nickybr38;10443560 said:
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aemcpa
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TimothyH
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A priest called me out for recieving on the tounge once.
There were about two dozen young catechumens, middle schooler’s mostly, sitting in the front pews while we recieved at a small Wednesday night Mass. I stepped up, lowered my hands, stuck out my chin, opened my mouth and recieved on the tounge.
The kids were apparently watching and Father stopped - I was walking away and Father said, “Do you see what that man did? He recieved Jesus on his tounge. That is a special reverence, a symbol of his love for Jesus Christ in the Most Holy Eucharist. Some people even kneel. You don’t have to do that but I want you to understand why he recieved that way, and understand that you can recieve that way if you want when it comes time for you to recieve the Eucharist.” and the rest of the Mass went on.
It was kinda cool, yet I was embarrased at the attention. All for the Glory of God I guess, right?
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Maui71
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In a state of Grace.
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TimothyH
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Not in the United States.
**U.S. Norm
The following adaptation of GIRM 160 was approved by the Holy See for the United States.
- The priest then takes the paten or ciborium and goes to the communicants, who, as a rule, approach in a procession.
When receiving Holy Communion, the communicant bows his or her head before the Sacrament as a gesture of reverence and receives the Body of the Lord from the minister. The consecrated host may be received either on the tongue or in the hand, at the discretion of each communicant. When Holy Communion is received under both kinds, the sign of reverence is also made before receiving the Precious Blood.
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aemcpa
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That does not derogate from the universal norm of receiving on the tongue - you can clearly see the difference between that and the statement that standing is the norm in the United States, which establishes something other than the universal norm.
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Lapey
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The blue section is no longer in the GIRM. Blessed JPII addressed this very directly, this is improper, there is no “pastoral correction” needed. receiving on the tongue is the norm, hand is by indult.
I’ll be back to share the documents if someone else doesn’t beat me to it. JPII '04 document is I am correct. Look at the current GIRM, 2011, this section is different because of this correction by the Holy See.
This is from Jimmy Akin,
*Although most of the rules for the new Roman Missal went into effect when its General Instruction was implemented in 2003, a notable change in the new version of the GIRM concerns the practice of kneeling for Communion. Prior to Vatican II, kneeling for Communion was the norm, but after the council this changed. In some places there were even reports of priests forbidding communicants from receiving on their knees, though the law allowed kneeling.
In 2002 the U.S. bishops aksed Rome to allow them to establish standing as the official posture for receiving Communion in America. Rome agreed, with the proviso that people who knelt should not be denied Communion. As a result, the American edition of the GIRM stated: “The norm for reception of Holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States is standing. Communicants should not be denied Holy Communion because they kneel. Rather, such instances should be addressed pastorally, by providing the faithful with proper catechesis on the reasons for this norm.” (GIRM 160, 2002 ed.).
This did not end the problems, though, and communicants who knelt reported being berated and pressured by priests. Consequently, the new edition of the GIRM simply states: “The norm established for the Dioceses of the United States of America is that Holy Communion is to be received standing, unless an individual member of the faithful wishes to receive Communion while kneeling.” (GIRM 160, 2011 ed.).
No mention is made of handling the situation pastorally. Individuals simply have the discretion to receive kneeling if they choose.
Jimmy Akin, “Catholic Answers Magazine”; Nov.-Dec. 2011, p. 18. *
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Dstep
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In my Episcopal Church we use communion rails and we receive in the hand and dip the bread into the wine
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Lapey
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The Theology of Kneeling
From Cardinal Ratzinger’s “The Spirit of the Liturgy”
There are groups, of no small influence, who are trying to talk us out of kneeling. “It doesn’t suit our culture”, they say (which culture?) “It’s not right for a grown man to do this — he should face God on his feet”. Or again: “It’s not appropriate for redeemed man — he has been set free by Christ and doesn’t need to kneel any more”.
If we look at history, we can see that the Greeks and Romans rejected kneeling. In view of the squabbling, partisan deities described in mythology, this attitude was thoroughly justified. It was only too obvious that these gods were not God, even if you were dependent on their capricious power and had to make sure that, whenever possible, you enjoyed their favor. And so they said that kneeling was unworthy of a free man, unsuitable for the culture of Greece, something the barbarians went in for. Plutarch and Theophrastus regarded kneeling as an expression of superstition.
Aristotle called it a barbaric form of behavior (cf. Rhetoric 1361 a36). Saint Augustine agreed with him in a certain respect: the false gods were only the masks of demons, who subjected men to the worship of money and to self-seeking, thus making them “servile” and superstitious. He said that the humility of Christ and His love, which went as far as the Cross, have freed us from these powers. We now kneel before that humility. The kneeling of Christians is not a form of inculturation into existing customs. It is quite the opposite, an expression of Christian culture, which transforms the existing culture through a new and deeper knowledge and experience of God.
Kneeling does not come from any culture — it comes from the Bible and its knowledge of God. The central importance of kneeling in the Bible can be seen in a very concrete way. The word proskynein alone occurs fifty-nine times in the New Testament, twenty-four of which are in the Apocalypse, the book of the heavenly Liturgy, which is presented to the Church as the standard for her own Liturgy.
On closer inspection, we can discern three closely related forms of posture. First there is prostratio — lying with one’s face to the ground before the overwhelming power of God; secondly, especially in the New Testament, there is falling to one’s knees before another; and thirdly, there is kneeling. Linguistically, the three forms of posture are not always clearly distinguished. They can be combined or merged with one another.
Cardianl Ratzinger, Pope Emeritas Benedict XVI uses some pretty strong words in support of kneeling.
From Cardinal Ratzinger’s “The Spirit of the Liturgy”
There are groups, of no small influence, who are trying to talk us out of kneeling. “It doesn’t suit our culture”, they say (which culture?) “It’s not right for a grown man to do this — he should face God on his feet”. Or again: “It’s not appropriate for redeemed man — he has been set free by Christ and doesn’t need to kneel any more”.
If we look at history, we can see that the Greeks and Romans rejected kneeling. In view of the squabbling, partisan deities described in mythology, this attitude was thoroughly justified. It was only too obvious that these gods were not God, even if you were dependent on their capricious power and had to make sure that, whenever possible, you enjoyed their favor. And so they said that kneeling was unworthy of a free man, unsuitable for the culture of Greece, something the barbarians went in for. Plutarch and Theophrastus regarded kneeling as an expression of superstition.
Aristotle called it a barbaric form of behavior (cf. Rhetoric 1361 a36). Saint Augustine agreed with him in a certain respect: the false gods were only the masks of demons, who subjected men to the worship of money and to self-seeking, thus making them “servile” and superstitious. He said that the humility of Christ and His love, which went as far as the Cross, have freed us from these powers. We now kneel before that humility. The kneeling of Christians is not a form of inculturation into existing customs. It is quite the opposite, an expression of Christian culture, which transforms the existing culture through a new and deeper knowledge and experience of God.
Kneeling does not come from any culture — it comes from the Bible and its knowledge of God. The central importance of kneeling in the Bible can be seen in a very concrete way. The word proskynein alone occurs fifty-nine times in the New Testament, twenty-four of which are in the Apocalypse, the book of the heavenly Liturgy, which is presented to the Church as the standard for her own Liturgy.
On closer inspection, we can discern three closely related forms of posture. First there is prostratio — lying with one’s face to the ground before the overwhelming power of God; secondly, especially in the New Testament, there is falling to one’s knees before another; and thirdly, there is kneeling. Linguistically, the three forms of posture are not always clearly distinguished. They can be combined or merged with one another.
Cardianl Ratzinger, Pope Emeritas Benedict XVI uses some pretty strong words in support of kneeling.
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NickD
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whenever I altar serve or whenever I am at my home parish or an Anglican Use parish nearby, I receive kneeling on the tongue.
However, there are some places at which I will receive standing so as not to provoke others into a tizzy or even a rage (it’s happened before.) I also don’t think it’s good to be perceived as a boat-rocker or a cold traditionalist.
Also, I *always *make sure that my interior disposition is humble and as pure as possible. Otherwise, it doesn’t matter what I do physically.
However, there are some places at which I will receive standing so as not to provoke others into a tizzy or even a rage (it’s happened before.) I also don’t think it’s good to be perceived as a boat-rocker or a cold traditionalist.
Also, I *always *make sure that my interior disposition is humble and as pure as possible. Otherwise, it doesn’t matter what I do physically.
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agnes_therese
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Same here. And despite posts in other threads complaining that EMHC can’t properly “do” communion on the tongue – not only have I never had a problem, I’ve never even seen a problem.
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aemcpa
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Pastors that catechize their flock regarding communion on the tongue vs. on the hand also tend to use fewer extraordinary ministers because, you know, it’s supposed to be out of the ordinary.
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clem456
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Just let me say that this issue never ever comes up in our parish. In the area of Church disciplines we just do what is well and good and accepted. Frankly there is not time or energy to worry about it. The pastor is not concerned with it, nor are parishioners. The majority receive in the hand, some on the tongue, a few kneel. But, our parish has a k-12 school, has over 40 ministry groups, retreats, bible studies, social programs, RCIA. There are many many pastoral concerns, admonishing people how to receive the Lord is not one of them.
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aemcpa
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Interesting. And yet you presumably have First Holy Communion every year.
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agnes_therese
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What does that have to do with it?
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aemcpa
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You don’t know what instruction on reverence in receiving the Lord in Holy Communion has to do with First Holy Communion?What does that have to do with it?
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