How do you run a Youth Ministry?

[MariaTS]

I have recently volunteered to be Youth Minister at my Church and would like to know how you believe that a Youth Ministry should be run.

What do you teach? How do you teach it? Why do you teach it? What activities do you do with the children?

A Youth Minister should teach scripture from the New Testament and avoid controversial topics within the Catholic Church. S/He should also not present it in a literal way. It should be taught in a modern interpretation style. Also, outdated, misinterpreted, and refuted ideals of Interracial Marriage = Immoral, Homosexuality = Immoral, Abortion = Immoral in all cases, Guns = Immoral, etc… It should be taught by first explaining to the children that this is one religion out of many and that if they do not like it then there are thousands of other religions that they may join. Scripture should be read through instead of taking one line or one set of lines and proclaiming it to be the word of Jesus. Also, teach that the Vatican and the Pope are not Jesus and they make mistakes like all other people. A Youth Minister teaches children because S/He want’s them to become ethical people who support the unequivocal equal rights of all individuals. The first obligation of a Youth Minister is that S/He must make it fun for the children. S/He must find different things to do whenever the Youth Ministry meets. Also, a Youth Minister should not spend all the time on scripture, S/He should also do activities unrelated to the word of Jesus. Some type of physical activity and some type philosophical activity should always be present.

About 300 or 400 children go to the Youth Ministry that I have volunteered to run. I once had a problem with a parent. He didn’t want me to allow a trans-girl to participate in the Youth Ministry. I told him, “Well, I guess what you mean to say is that you do not want your child to participate in this Youth Ministry.” As Catholics, we have no right to judge another person no matter who or what they. As a person who is many different minority groups and as a Conservative, I oppose intolerance in every aspect of life. The only person that has a right to judge another is Jesus. Also, it is my firm belief that it is not the people who are different who will go to hell but the people who judge those who are different will go to hell. This is of course on the assumption that Jesus is a very benevolent Lord to those who confess their love to him.

 

[CDNowak]

I have recently volunteered to be Youth Minister at my Church and would like to know how you believe that a Youth Ministry should be run.

What do you teach? How do you teach it? Why do you teach it? What activities do you do with the children?

A Youth Minister should teach scripture from the New Testament and avoid controversial topics within the Catholic Church. S/He should also not present it in a literal way. It should be taught in a modern interpretation style. Also, outdated, misinterpreted, and refuted ideals of Interracial Marriage = Immoral, Homosexuality = Immoral, Abortion = Immoral in all cases, Guns = Immoral, etc… It should be taught by first explaining to the children that this is one religion out of many and that if they do not like it then there are thousands of other religions that they may join. Scripture should be read through instead of taking one line or one set of lines and proclaiming it to be the word of Jesus. Also, teach that the Vatican and the Pope are not Jesus and they make mistakes like all other people. A Youth Minister teaches children because S/He want’s them to become ethical people who support the unequivocal equal rights of all individuals. The first obligation of a Youth Minister is that S/He must make it fun for the children. S/He must find different things to do whenever the Youth Ministry meets. Also, a Youth Minister should not spend all the time on scripture, S/He should also do activities unrelated to the word of Jesus. Some type of physical activity and some type philosophical activity should always be present.

About 300 or 400 children go to the Youth Ministry that I have volunteered to run. I once had a problem with a parent. He didn’t want me to allow a trans-girl to participate in the Youth Ministry. I told him, “Well, I guess what you mean to say is that you do not want your child to participate in this Youth Ministry.” As Catholics, we have no right to judge another person no matter who or what they. As a person who is many different minority groups and as a Conservative, I oppose intolerance in every aspect of life. The only person that has a right to judge another is Jesus. Also, it is my firm belief that it is not the people who are different who will go to hell but the people who judge those who are different will go to hell. This is of course on the assumption that Jesus is a very benevolent Lord to those who confess their love to him.

1st obligation is to the Truth: No compromise on the teaching of the Church.
That means that your point about “modern interpretation” is out: Abortion is always immoral, homosexual acts are always immoral, there is one true Church founded by Christ. (This is non-negotiable, if the youth “minister” is unable or unwilling to teach as the Church does, they have no business leading the youth group.

2ndly tolerance is not a Christian virtue. Tolerance con only take as its object something that is evil, never anything that is good. We are called to be discerning about (syn: to judge) actions, not souls. So yes, there are actions that may well preclude participation in Church activities.

3rd: where are you from that is so far on the liberal end of the spectrum that you consider yourself in any way conservative? ( I guess it must be fiscally, because you ruled out moral and socially).

 

[MariaTS]

1st obligation is to the Truth: No compromise on the teaching of the Church.
That means that your point about “modern interpretation” is out: Abortion is always immoral, homosexual acts are always immoral, there is one true Church founded by Christ. (This is non-negotiable, if the youth “minister” is unable or unwilling to teach as the Church does, they have no business leading the youth group.

2ndly tolerance is not a Christian virtue. Tolerance con only take as its object something that is evil, never anything that is good. We are called to be discerning about (syn: to judge) actions, not souls. So yes, there are actions that may well preclude participation in Church activities.

3rd: where are you from that is so far on the liberal end of the spectrum that you consider yourself in any way conservative? ( I guess it must be fiscally, because you ruled out moral and socially).

One thing, what was said back then was worded differently and since the meanings of words have changed and it was translated from several entirely different languages, you have to have a modern interpretation. Also the Old Testament does not apply to Christians, Jesus died on the cross so we would not have to follow those archaic laws any longer. Um, homosexual acts and homosexuality are two entirely different things. Also, abortion is moral when the mother will die if she gives birth or the baby will be born severely physically and mentally disabled. I teach exactly what I should.

I will make sure that all Catholics are treated fairly and equally as a Youth Minister. Tolerance is about loving and respecting all individuals. Now, evil people should not be Tolerated. A truly evil person is one who judges others or forces their uneducated views on everyone else. The action of a transgendered girl living as who she truly is does in no way preclude her from Church activities.

I am morally and socially conservative. I live in Ohio where conservatives are conservatives and liberals are liberals. I am absolutely a conservative. You have seen my views on the unequivocal rights of humanity but you have not seen any other of my views.

Also, what I stated is not what I asked you is it?

 

[CDNowak]

One thing, what was said back then was worded differently and since the meanings of words have changed and it was translated from several entirely different languages, you have to have a modern interpretation. Also the Old Testament does not apply to Christians, Jesus died on the cross so we would not have to follow those archaic laws any longer. Um, homosexual acts and homosexuality are two entirely different things. Also, abortion is moral when the mother will die if she gives birth or the baby will be born severely physically and mentally disabled. I teach exactly what I should.

I will make sure that all Catholics are treated fairly and equally as a Youth Minister. Tolerance is about loving and respecting all individuals. Now, evil people should not be Tolerated. A truly evil person is one who judges others or forces their uneducated views on everyone else. The action of a transgendered girl living as who she truly is does in no way preclude her from Church activities.

I am morally and socially conservative. I live in Ohio where conservatives are conservatives and liberals are liberals. I am absolutely a conservative. You have seen my views on the unequivocal rights of humanity but you have not seen any other of my views.

Also, what I stated is not what I asked you is it?

You asked several questions: I started on the first: “What do you teach?” Several statements in your (presumed) answer to your own questions are, shall we say, less than in agreement with the Catholic faith.

There is a difference between translation (example: the coming translation of the Mass) and interpretation (the current ‘translation’). You are right in saying that what you advocate is interpretation, but that is not the Church’s position.

Likewise, “All Scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproving, for correcting, for instructing in justice; that the man of God may be perfect, equipped for every good work.” (2 Tim 3:16-17) Unless you wish to reject the New Testament, you cannot reject the Old.

I, as a matter of fact, did not deny the distinction between homosexuality and homosexual acts. Abortion, however is always an evil. The loss of human life is, by definition evil (a deprivation of the good of life), and abortion is undoubtedly just that (as shown better by science than theology). Their is no case in which we can directly intend evil without sinning. (I would suggest a review of Humanae Vitae and Evangelium Vitae.)

Again, the Catholic Church is not “one among many”, but simply “one, holy, catholic (that is, universal), and apostolic”. (Dominus Iesus and Responses to Some Questions Regarding Certain Aspects of the Doctrine on the Church are informative reading on this).

Charity is about loving and respecting all persons. I am by far not the most eloquent when it comes to discussing tolerance, because it becomes a contradiction (ie, the tolerant person cannot tolerate the intolerant one). Rather I will refer you to Bishops Fulton Sheen and Charles Chaput.

I would suggest that you also learn what evil is, as you are interested in philosophy (hint, Thomas gets it), as well as the distinction between judging people and judging their actions (btw, pot meet kettle).

There are several issues that you have stated positions on that are not conservative views. To declare yourself conservative (although nowhere that I have lived, including OH was it that simple) while holding contrarian views says much about you.

As to the rest of your questions, I would of course vary the activities, but everything would center on the Eucharist. I will teach (applying to reenter seminary after changing from an order to diocesan, btw) because of my love for Truth, my love for the Church, my love for persons, and my firm belief in Chirst and His Church. What activities depends on the ages and particular setting of the group, but guaranteed are Mass (in both forms, plus as many other Catholic rites are available), Exposition and Benediction, Night Prayer, Rosary, Divine Mercy Chaplet, and Novenas. Bible and Catechism study most likely, and a variety of non-contact sports (or if I happen to have an all boys group, “non-contact” sports ). Not all in the same night, of course

 

[kage_ar]

Also, abortion is moral when the mother will die if she gives birth or the baby will be born severely physically and mentally disabled. I teach exactly what I should.

A person with any integrity who holds your views would step down from any position in the Catholic Church. The things you state are directly opposed to the teaching of Holy Catholic Church.

Why don’t you write all these things down in a letter to your Pastor and Bishop and ask them if they agree.

BTW - I am one of those severely physically disabled babies you would like to have aborted.

 

[MariaTS]

A person with any integrity who holds your views would step down from any position in the Catholic Church. The things you state are directly opposed to the teaching of Holy Catholic Church.

Why don’t you write all these things down in a letter to your Pastor and Bishop and ask them if they agree.

BTW - I am one of those severely physically disabled babies you would like to have aborted.

The only thing that represents the Catholic Church is Dogma, nothing that I have said is against Dogma. I have told my Pastor how I will teach this and he respects my beliefs but also asks me to present more than just one side. My Bishop does not have a problem with me but wants me to rely more on Dogma than anything else. I said severely physically and mentally disabled, not severely physically disabled. I am one of those severely physically and emotionally disabled babies who should not have been made to suffer on this earth.

 

[MariaTS]

You asked several questions: I started on the first: “What do you teach?” Several statements in your (presumed) answer to your own questions are, shall we say, less than in agreement with the Catholic faith.

There is a difference between translation (example: the coming translation of the Mass) and interpretation (the current ‘translation’). You are right in saying that what you advocate is interpretation, but that is not the Church’s position.

Likewise, “All Scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproving, for correcting, for instructing in justice; that the man of God may be perfect, equipped for every good work.” (2 Tim 3:16-17) Unless you wish to reject the New Testament, you cannot reject the Old.

I, as a matter of fact, did not deny the distinction between homosexuality and homosexual acts. Abortion, however is always an evil. The loss of human life is, by definition evil (a deprivation of the good of life), and abortion is undoubtedly just that (as shown better by science than theology). Their is no case in which we can directly intend evil without sinning. (I would suggest a review of Humanae Vitae and Evangelium Vitae.)

Again, the Catholic Church is not “one among many”, but simply “one, holy, catholic (that is, universal), and apostolic”. (Dominus Iesus and Responses to Some Questions Regarding Certain Aspects of the Doctrine on the Church are informative reading on this).

Charity is about loving and respecting all persons. I am by far not the most eloquent when it comes to discussing tolerance, because it becomes a contradiction (ie, the tolerant person cannot tolerate the intolerant one). Rather I will refer you to Bishops Fulton Sheen and Charles Chaput.

I would suggest that you also learn what evil is, as you are interested in philosophy (hint, Thomas gets it), as well as the distinction between judging people and judging their actions (btw, pot meet kettle).

There are several issues that you have stated positions on that are not conservative views. To declare yourself conservative (although nowhere that I have lived, including OH was it that simple) while holding contrarian views says much about you.

As to the rest of your questions, I would of course vary the activities, but everything would center on the Eucharist. I will teach (applying to reenter seminary after changing from an order to diocesan, btw) because of my love for Truth, my love for the Church, my love for persons, and my firm belief in Chirst and His Church. What activities depends on the ages and particular setting of the group, but guaranteed are Mass (in both forms, plus as many other Catholic rites are available), Exposition and Benediction, Night Prayer, Rosary, Divine Mercy Chaplet, and Novenas. Bible and Catechism study most likely, and a variety of non-contact sports (or if I happen to have an all boys group, “non-contact” sports ). Not all in the same night, of course

Translation is one and the same with Interpretation. With different languages and words changing over time, it is impossible to Translate without Interpretation. Abortion might always be an evil in your opinion, However, no one who is raped should be forced to go through further rape of her body. You are right, I should have used the word Charity and not Tolerance. This makes far more sense, thank you. I know what evil is. I will judge actions and I do not judge people. I will not, however, judge an action that is not sin and is something that someone must do. I am not a right-wing conservative, I am a moderate conservative. The majority of my viewpoints are conservative. I have not stated any contradictory opinions to conservatism. I am an independent conservative. Conservatism is in no way related to religion, sexuality, abortion, or gender-identity. I like your ideas for activities and I will probably combine them into the Youth Ministry that I run. I agree with you on it depends on the ages. So, we are not that different when it comes to our belief for teaching.

 

[kage_ar]

I will be happy to spend time reaching out to the Bishops of Ohio to find out where they stand on Youth Ministry and Youth Ministers who teach contrary to the Faith.

Please, pick up a Bible, the Catechism and a copy of Ott (to help you learn what Dogma IS)

Here are just a few points.

A Youth Minister should teach scripture from the New Testament and avoid controversial topics within the Catholic Church. S/He should also not present it in a literal way.
*See CCC beg @ 115 *
Interracial Marriage = Immoral,
This was never an official teaching of the Church. Document or retract.
Homosexuality = Immoral
Homosexuality is gravely disordered. The persons who suffer from this are called to chastity. See CCC beg @ 2357
Abortion = Immoral in all cases
Abortion is a moral evil see CCC beg @ 2271
Guns = Immoral
This was never an official teaching of the Church. Document or retract.

It should be taught by first explaining to the children that this is one religion out of many and that if they do not like it then there are thousands of other religions that they may join.
This is blatant heresy
Also, teach that the Vatican and the Pope are not Jesus and they make mistakes like all other people.
Infallibility is part of the deposit of Faith:
**890 The mission of the Magisterium is linked to the definitive nature of the covenant established by God with his people in Christ. It is this Magisterium’s task to preserve God’s people from deviations and defections and to guarantee them the objective possibility of professing the true faith without error. Thus, the pastoral duty of the Magisterium is aimed at seeing to it that the People of God abides in the truth that liberates. To fulfill this service, Christ endowed the Church’s shepherds with the charism of infallibility in matters of faith and morals. The exercise of this charism takes several forms:
**2051 **The infallibility of the Magisterium of the Pastors extends to all the elements of doctrine, including moral doctrine, without which the saving truths of the faith cannot be preserved, expounded, or observed.

 

[MariaTS]

I will be happy to spend time reaching out to the Bishops of Ohio to find out where they stand on Youth Ministry and Youth Ministers who teach contrary to the Faith.

Please, pick up a Bible, the Catechism and a copy of Ott (to help you learn what Dogma IS)

Here are just a few points.

A Youth Minister should teach scripture from the New Testament and avoid controversial topics within the Catholic Church. S/He should also not present it in a literal way.
*See CCC beg @ 115 *
Interracial Marriage = Immoral,
This was never an official teaching of the Church. Document or retract.
Homosexuality = Immoral
Homosexuality is gravely disordered. The persons who suffer from this are called to chastity. See CCC beg @ 2357
Abortion = Immoral in all cases
Abortion is a moral evil see CCC beg @ 2271
Guns = Immoral
This was never an official teaching of the Church. Document or retract.

It should be taught by first explaining to the children that this is one religion out of many and that if they do not like it then there are thousands of other religions that they may join.
This is blatant heresy
Also, teach that the Vatican and the Pope are not Jesus and they make mistakes like all other people.
Infallibility is part of the deposit of Faith:
**890 The mission of the Magisterium is linked to the definitive nature of the covenant established by God with his people in Christ. It is this Magisterium’s task to preserve God’s people from deviations and defections and to guarantee them the objective possibility of professing the true faith without error. Thus, the pastoral duty of the Magisterium is aimed at seeing to it that the People of God abides in the truth that liberates. To fulfill this service, Christ endowed the Church’s shepherds with the charism of infallibility in matters of faith and morals. The exercise of this charism takes several forms:
**2051 **The infallibility of the Magisterium of the Pastors extends to all the elements of doctrine, including moral doctrine, without which the saving truths of the faith cannot be preserved, expounded, or observed.

I do have a Bible, however the Old Testament is not Catholic teaching. Also, Dogma does not entirely reflect the Bible. I didn’t say any of these were or were not teachings of the Church, these are all in the Bible. Is it really heresy to want the Non-Catholics to leave the Catholic Church? You truly believe that the Pope and the Vatican are always right? How can a human being be right? I have not allowed any deviations or defections from the Catholic Church.

 

[kage_ar]

I do have a Bible, however the Old Testament is not Catholic teaching. .

The footnotes will reference the full documents, you should read and teach from these:

[121](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/121.htm’) The Old Testament is an indispensable part of Sacred Scripture. Its books are divinely inspired and retain a permanent value,92 for the Old Covenant has never been revoked.

[122](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/122.htm’) Indeed, "the economy of the Old Testament was deliberately so oriented that it should prepare for and declare in prophecy the coming of Christ, redeemer of all men."93 "Even though they contain matters imperfect and provisional,"94 the books of the Old Testament bear witness to the whole divine pedagogy of God’s saving love: these writings "are a storehouse of sublime teaching on God and of sound wisdom on human life, as well as a wonderful treasury of prayers; in them, too, the mystery of our salvation is present in a hidden way."95
123 Christians venerate the Old Testament as true Word of God. The Church has always vigorously opposed the idea of rejecting the Old Testament under the pretext that the New has rendered it void (Marcionism).

Also, Dogma does not entirely reflect the Bible. .

There is no Dogma nor Doctrine that is not expressly or implicitly supported in Scripture.

I didn’t say any of these were or were not teachings of the Church, these are all in the Bible. .

Is it really heresy to want the Non-Catholics to leave the Catholic Church? .

We are to do our best to see that all come to Holy Mother Church.

You are teaching Catholic youth, they are baptized Catholic. To lead them astray from Holy Mother Church is to commit grave sin.

[2089](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/2089.htm’) *Incredulity *is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. "*Heresy *is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; *apostasy *is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; *schism *is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him."11

You truly believe that the Pope and the Vatican are always right? How can a human being be right? I have not allowed any deviations or defections from the Catholic Church.

I believe that in matters of Faith and Morals that Christ’s promise to keep the Church from error is true. I believe in the infallibility of the Pope and the Magusterium. I am Catholic.

Seems you misunderstand infallibility. Do some study. One must learn the Faith before they can teach it to others.

 

[CDNowak]

Translation is one and the same with Interpretation. With different languages and words changing over time, it is impossible to Translate without Interpretation. Abortion might always be an evil in your opinion, However, no one who is raped should be forced to go through further rape of her body. You are right, I should have used the word Charity and not Tolerance. This makes far more sense, thank you. I know what evil is. I will judge actions and I do not judge people. I will not, however, judge an action that is not sin and is something that someone must do. >snip<

I do have a Bible, however the Old Testament is not Catholic teaching. Also, Dogma does not entirely reflect the Bible. I didn’t say any of these were or were not teachings of the Church, these are all in the Bible. Is it really heresy to want the Non-Catholics to leave the Catholic Church? You truly believe that the Pope and the Vatican are always right? How can a human being be right? I have not allowed any deviations or defections from the Catholic Church.

A translation is a written communication in a second language having the same meaning as the written communication in a first language. To interpret, however, is to assign a meaning. There is a substantial difference, the difference between the RSV translation of the Bible and The Message interpretation of it. The interpretation is not merely a change in language, but content and substance of the original.

You are abusing the word evil, both by omitting it when it applies and using it where it does not. Abortion is always evil (as a matter of philosophical fact, not opinion), you have heard, I am sure, that two wrongs never make a right? Pregnancy in that it entails new life is always good (the life itself is a good, philosophically). The use of judgement and not tolerating falsehood, however are not evil. (Likewise there is a distinction between charity and tolerance, I suggest you look into it.)

The Old Testament is indeed part of Catholicism: whether you consult the Catechism, Vatican II, or older documents. All Dogma is rooted in Scripture, and developed from it, a fact I would suggest you familiarize yourself with.

For you to suggest that “non-catholics” leave the Church may not be heresy, but it is quite the delicious hypocrisy! You disagree with large chunks of Church teaching, both doctrine and dogma, yet presume that others should leave while you run a youth group molding young minds! You have not allowed deviations from Church teaching, you, yourself profess them.

I am afraid I must agree with kage_ar, you are either ignorant of the Church’s teaching or lack the integrity to follow your own advice to those that disagree with it. Either way, there are serious concerns with you teaching the Catholic faith.

 

[perfectpeach]

I hope this post is a joke. I will pray for the Youth who are placed under your care.

 

[MariaTS]

The footnotes will reference the full documents, you should read and teach from these:

[121](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/121.htm’) The Old Testament is an indispensable part of Sacred Scripture. Its books are divinely inspired and retain a permanent value,92 for the Old Covenant has never been revoked.

[122](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/122.htm’) Indeed, "the economy of the Old Testament was deliberately so oriented that it should prepare for and declare in prophecy the coming of Christ, redeemer of all men."93 "Even though they contain matters imperfect and provisional,"94 the books of the Old Testament bear witness to the whole divine pedagogy of God’s saving love: these writings "are a storehouse of sublime teaching on God and of sound wisdom on human life, as well as a wonderful treasury of prayers; in them, too, the mystery of our salvation is present in a hidden way."95
123 Christians venerate the Old Testament as true Word of God. The Church has always vigorously opposed the idea of rejecting the Old Testament under the pretext that the New has rendered it void (Marcionism).

There is no Dogma nor Doctrine that is not expressly or implicitly supported in Scripture.



We are to do our best to see that all come to Holy Mother Church.

You are teaching Catholic youth, they are baptized Catholic. To lead them astray from Holy Mother Church is to commit grave sin.

[2089](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/2089.htm’) *Incredulity *is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. "*Heresy *is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; *apostasy *is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; *schism *is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him."11

I believe that in matters of Faith and Morals that Christ’s promise to keep the Church from error is true. I believe in the infallibility of the Pope and the Magusterium. I am Catholic.

Seems you misunderstand infallibility. Do some study. One must learn the Faith before they can teach it to others.

If all Dogma and Doctrine support all scripture then interracial marriage is immoral according to the Catholic church. To accuse me of being a heretic is simply crude. The Catholic Church being free from error is only true if people do not blindly support any and all statements that the Pope and the Vatican say. Four hundred years ago, the Pope and the majority of the Vatican of the Catholic church claimed that the study of Astronomy was Heresy. Should not a Youth Minister proclaim Her/His beliefs? I am not leading anyone astray from the Church. There are many Children who are not truly Catholic that are forced to be Catholic by their parents. To force Non-Catholic Youth to be Catholic is abuse. I perfectly understand the Catholic Faith.

 

[MariaTS]

A translation is a written communication in a second language having the same meaning as the written communication in a first language. To interpret, however, is to assign a meaning. There is a substantial difference, the difference between the RSV translation of the Bible and The Message interpretation of it. The interpretation is not merely a change in language, but content and substance of the original.

You are abusing the word evil, both by omitting it when it applies and using it where it does not. Abortion is always evil (as a matter of philosophical fact, not opinion), you have heard, I am sure, that two wrongs never make a right? Pregnancy in that it entails new life is always good (the life itself is a good, philosophically). The use of judgement and not tolerating falsehood, however are not evil. (Likewise there is a distinction between charity and tolerance, I suggest you look into it.)

The Old Testament is indeed part of Catholicism: whether you consult the Catechism, Vatican II, or older documents. All Dogma is rooted in Scripture, and developed from it, a fact I would suggest you familiarize yourself with.

For you to suggest that “non-catholics” leave the Church may not be heresy, but it is quite the delicious hypocrisy! You disagree with large chunks of Church teaching, both doctrine and dogma, yet presume that others should leave while you run a youth group molding young minds! You have not allowed deviations from Church teaching, you, yourself profess them.

I am afraid I must agree with kage_ar, you are either ignorant of the Church’s teaching or lack the integrity to follow your own advice to those that disagree with it. Either way, there are serious concerns with you teaching the Catholic faith.

You cannot claim that I disagree with a large portion of Doctrine or Dogma if neither Doctrine or Dogma state that how I run my Youth Ministry is wrong. People who do not love other followers of Christ or treat them with respect will simply not partake in my Youth Ministry. The Church has no teaching against Transgendered Girls being allowed to participate in Youth Ministry. If they did, then I would not be a Youth Minister. I am sorry to tell you but the vast majority of modern Bible’s are Interpretations of the Translations of the original Bible. I am in no way abusing the usage of the word evil. Uneducated Judgmental Fundamentalist individuals are evil. A woman who gets an abortion to save her live is in no way evil. Are you attempting to claim that a Transgendered Girl is false or evil? I have not professed any deviations from Church teaching no matter what you say. To proclaim me Ignorant or a Hypocrite makes you exactly that, an Ignorant Hypocrite.

 

[MariaTS]

I hope this post is a joke. I will pray for the Youth who are placed under your care.

Why do you pray for the Children who are under my care? I have done nothing to harm them.

 

[CDNowak]

If all Dogma and Doctrine support all scripture then interracial marriage is immoral according to the Catholic church. To accuse me of being a heretic is simply crude. The Catholic Church being free from error is only true if people do not blindly support any and all statements that the Pope and the Vatican say. Four hundred years ago, the Pope and the majority of the Vatican of the Catholic church claimed that the study of Astronomy was Heresy. Should not a Youth Minister proclaim Her/His beliefs? I am not leading anyone astray from the Church. There are many Children who are not truly Catholic that are forced to be Catholic by their parents. To force Non-Catholic Youth to be Catholic is abuse. I perfectly understand the Catholic Faith.

All Dogma are rooted in Scripture, not the other way around. (I would love to see your quote on interracial marriage, btw).

As far as you being in disagreement with the Church, it has been demonstrated that you are on abortion, Scripture, and the nature of the Church, at the very least. That you insist that you fully understand the Catholic Faith in the face of glaring evidence to the contrary, suggests the lack of maturity that your profile would suggest. That, in and of itself, would be sufficient reason to doubt your capability of leading a youth group of any kind. (And I am writing this only 8 years your senior.)

 

[CDNowak]

You cannot claim that I disagree with a large portion of Doctrine or Dogma if neither Doctrine or Dogma state that how I run my Youth Ministry is wrong. People who do not love other followers of Christ or treat them with respect will simply not partake in my Youth Ministry. The Church has no teaching against Transgendered Girls being allowed to participate in Youth Ministry. If they did, then I would not be a Youth Minister. I am sorry to tell you but the vast majority of modern Bible’s are Interpretations of the Translations of the original Bible. I am in no way abusing the usage of the word evil. Uneducated Judgmental Fundamentalist individuals are evil. A woman who gets an abortion to save her live is in no way evil. Are you attempting to claim that a Transgendered Girl is false or evil? I have not professed any deviations from Church teaching no matter what you say. To proclaim me Ignorant or a Hypocrite makes you exactly that, an Ignorant Hypocrite.

It seems that I have touched a nerve, no? The people you refer to are not evil. Their actions… I have demonstrated that your opinions are not in accord with Church teaching. Your insistence in your own rightness displays both your ignorance of Catholic teaching and (particularly as you get riled up) you hypocrisy.

(Should I give you definitions of those as well? You could have called me so many things that would have struck near the truth: smug, arrogant, condescending, cold, heartless (well, not biologically, of course), ruthless, a jerk. Ignorant, certainly, of certain things: publishing a book, the beliefs of the Aboriginals of Australia, the composition of the sun, what Obama is *really *thinking. But of the Catholic faith, you would have to get pretty specific to find me completely ignorant. As far as hypocrisy, I am unaware of it, and my **integrity **would never allow me to remain so: I would have to change my belief or my behavior.)

There are a fair number of translations of the Bible in circulation, some better quality than others. The Douay versions mentioned frequently here on CAF are faithful translations from the Vulgate, itself from the original languages. The RSV is, as much as possible a return to direct translation from the original languages. Dynamic equivalence, the practice of passing the interpretation of texts as “translation”, is a relatively recent phenomenon in the history of Biblical Scholarship, and a rapidly fading one at that.

 

[MariaTS]

All Dogma are rooted in Scripture, not the other way around. (I would love to see your quote on interracial marriage, btw).

As far as you being in disagreement with the Church, it has been demonstrated that you are on abortion, Scripture, and the nature of the Church, at the very least. That you insist that you fully understand the Catholic Faith in the face of glaring evidence to the contrary, suggests the lack of maturity that your profile would suggest. That, in and of itself, would be sufficient reason to doubt your capability of leading a youth group of any kind. (And I am writing this only 8 years your senior.)

I read it somewhere in Leviticus back from when I used to be a Jehovah Witness so I don’t exactly remember where it was. Well, I don’t entirely agree with abortion, just in extreme circumstances. I support the vast majority of what scripture says. I do not have a lack of maturity as you are suggesting. Maturity has naught to do with this. The nature of the Church is to love. If many Catholics do not believe this then they are refusing themselves the right to the truth. When I became a Catholic again, I took a vow to love. I do understand the Catholic Faith. Allowing a Transgendered Girl to participate in my Youth Ministry or making sure that Non-Catholics realize that they are Non-Catholics is not evidence that I do not understand the Catholic Faith. What is Scripture? When I was a Jehovah Witness, I was taught that Scripture was to reject all who do not follow the teachings of the Jehovah Witnesses. Now, to me at least, Scripture seems to be following all of the teachings of Jesus. I am very capable of leading my Youth Ministry and the majority of the parents like what I am doing. The only reason why I am a good Youth Minister is because I take the advice of fellow Catholics. A lot of what I believe should be taught is not taught because it is far too controversial. One thing I do really need to ask is what do you believe the nature of the Church is?

 

[MariaTS]

It seems that I have touched a nerve, no? The people you refer to are not evil. Their actions… I have demonstrated that your opinions are not in accord with Church teaching. Your insistence in your own rightness displays both your ignorance of Catholic teaching and (particularly as you get riled up) you hypocrisy.

(Should I give you definitions of those as well? You could have called me so many things that would have struck near the truth: smug, arrogant, condescending, cold, heartless (well, not biologically, of course), ruthless, a jerk. Ignorant, certainly, of certain things: publishing a book, the beliefs of the Aboriginals of Australia, the composition of the sun, what Obama is *really *thinking. But of the Catholic faith, you would have to get pretty specific to find me completely ignorant. As far as hypocrisy, I am unaware of it, and my **integrity **would never allow me to remain so: I would have to change my belief or my behavior.)

There are a fair number of translations of the Bible in circulation, some better quality than others. The Douay versions mentioned frequently here on CAF are faithful translations from the Vulgate, itself from the original languages. The RSV is, as much as possible a return to direct translation from the original languages. Dynamic equivalence, the practice of passing the interpretation of texts as “translation”, is a relatively recent phenomenon in the history of Biblical Scholarship, and a rapidly fading one at that.

Well, I guess the people are not evil. Their actions are evil. Thank you for helping me to realize this. I misunderstood. I will admit that I am ignorant, everyone is ignorant. I never claimed you were Ignorant of Catholic Faith, I stated that you are an Ignorant Hypocrite for calling me Ignorant and a Hypocrite. What insistence on my rightness? I know that I have a lot to learn about Catholic Faith but I do not believe that the Catholic Faith would be as heartless as it appears to be. Everyone is also a hypocrite to some degree. The Douay-Rheims Version has been proven to be the most accurate version of the Bible, yes. However, this Bible is not entirely accurate.

 

[kage_ar]

If all Dogma and Doctrine support all scripture then interracial marriage is immoral according to the Catholic church. .

For someone who allegedly is in college, you have a poor grasp on grammar.

Do you hold the position that Scripture teaches that interracial marriage is immoral or do you hold the position that Catholic teaching is that interracial marriage? Both? Neither

If you claim one or both, cite the sources for your claims.

To accuse me of being a heretic is simply crude. The Catholic Church being free from error is only true if people do not blindly support any and all statements that the Pope and the Vatican say. Four hundred years ago, the Pope and the majority of the Vatican of the Catholic church claimed that the study of Astronomy was Heresy. Should not a Youth Minister proclaim Her/His beliefs? I am not leading anyone astray from the Church. There are many Children who are not truly Catholic that are forced to be Catholic by their parents. To force Non-Catholic Youth to be Catholic is abuse. I perfectly understand the Catholic Faith.

As you appear to be on such a crusade to harm my Church, I will spend the day praying that your errors are brought to light or you have a conversion of heart.