How do you run a Youth Ministry?

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For someone who allegedly is in college, you have a poor grasp on grammar.

Do you hold the position that Scripture teaches that interracial marriage is immoral or do you hold the position that Catholic teaching is that interracial marriage? Both? Neither

If you claim one or both, cite the sources for your claims.

As you appear to be on such a crusade to harm my Church, I will spend the day praying that your errors are brought to light or you have a conversion of heart.
Hmm, poor grammar? I used proper grammar. “If all Dogma and Doctrine support all scripture then interracial marriage is immoral according to the Catholic church” is proper grammar. So, I will just ignore that. I hold the position that since Scripture teaches interracial marriage to be immoral then the Catholic Church also teaches that interracial marriage is immoral. I will just ignore this as well, since I cannot directly cite it. My point is that everything in scripture cannot possibly be correct. I will cite a far more extreme quote from the bible if you wish. A quote that says that rape victims should be stoned to death. This, I can quote. I cannot quote the marriage thing because it was from the Jehovah Witness version of the bible back from when I used to be a Jehovah Witness. I, as a Catholic, am on no crusade to harm the Catholic Church. I am learning what it means to be a Catholic again. You shall not pray for the errors of anyone for you are not error-free. The righteous will not enter God’s Kingdom. The Jehovah Witnesses are righteous and believe that they are the only ones who will enter God’s Kingdom. They are wrong for none of them will be able to enter God’s Kingdom. Why were the pharisees not able to enter God’s Kingdom? Righteousness. Many Catholics sound, to me, like Jehovah Witnesses.

P.S. I already have an Associates Degree in Finance and an Associates Degree in writing. Perhaps it is you who needs the Grammar course if it appears, to you, that I have used improper Grammar.
 
It is my duty as a catechist to protect the children of the Catholic Church. If what you say is true, you are teaching error to these young people. I pray God that the Diocese brings this to light and removes you from any position of teaching in a Catholic Church.
 
It is my duty as a catechist to protect the children of the Catholic Church. If what you say is true, you are teaching error to these young people. I pray God that the Diocese brings this to light and removes you from any position of teaching in a Catholic Church.
I am learning how to teach. Hence, why I take other peoples suggestions to heart. Right now, I am not a danger to the children in my Youth Ministry nor am I teaching error. No one can possibly say that they know all that the Catholic Church stands for. We are both ignorant, to some degree, of the Catholic Church. You are not free from ignorance.
 
I hold the position that since Scripture teaches interracial marriage to be immoral then the Catholic Church also teaches that interracial marriage is immoral.
Cite the chapter and verse that states interracial marriage is immoral.
 
“I will just ignore this as well, since I cannot directly cite it.”
If one makes a claim about Catholic teaching, and is then unable to cite the source to document the authenticity, an honest person will retract the claim.

Do you retract this claim?
 
Well, I guess the people are not evil. Their actions are evil. Thank you for helping me to realize this. I misunderstood. I will admit that I am ignorant, everyone is ignorant. I never claimed you were Ignorant of Catholic Faith, I stated that you are an Ignorant Hypocrite for calling me Ignorant and a Hypocrite. What insistence on my rightness? I know that I have a lot to learn about Catholic Faith but I do not believe that the Catholic Faith would be as heartless as it appears to be. Everyone is also a hypocrite to some degree. The Douay-Rheims Version has been proven to be the most accurate version of the Bible, yes. However, this Bible is not entirely accurate.
Whether everyone is ignorant and a hypocrite is irrelevant, we are all called to be perfect. I called you ignorant because it was the charitable way of reconciling the fact that you claimed to know the Catholic faith, and yet hold contrary positions in theology and morality. The other choice is malicious intent, and I cannot presume that without knowing more of you. Your attempt at flinging the insult back fails, because I have shown my knowledge and act consistently with my proclaimed beliefs.

Certainly I would recommend that you wait to declare anyone non-Catholic (by virtue of their Baptism they will always be Catholic, all the more so if they are confirmed). In the meantime you have asked me about the nature of the Church. I am afraid answering in the space of a post in nigh on impossible, but start with I would suggest Lumen Gentium. The Church is, at once, the Body of Christ (given to His mission: to bear witness to the Truth in love) and His bride (given to His adoration, Song of Songs is an excellent read here).

I suggest you take some time and read the sources that kage and I have given you. I am not asking you to accept anything without reason, but if you won’t attempt to understand the reason, it will be clear that you are not trying to learn the Catholic faith. In particular I would suggest you read Dei Verbum and the other Scriptural documents, as the Catholic understanding of Scripture is very far removed indeed from the JW understanding.

(It seems that the quote from Lev. would be 19:19, which requires a great deal of interpretation to have anything to do with human relations).
 
If one makes a claim about Catholic teaching, and is then unable to cite the source to document the authenticity, an honest person will retract the claim.

Do you retract this claim?
Yes, I do.
 
I’m a bit late to the party, but I hope it’s alright if I take on a few topics here, and snip off a bit…
One thing, what was said back then was worded differently and since the meanings of words have changed and it was translated from several entirely different languages, you have to have a modern interpretation. Also the Old Testament does not apply to Christians, Jesus died on the cross so we would not have to follow those archaic laws any longer. Um, homosexual acts and homosexuality are two entirely different things.
Strictly speaking, Jesus died on the cross to save us from sin, not from the Mosaic covenant. Also, in the 1st Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15), the dietary laws and mandatory circumcision were done away with, but sexual immorality is still quite clearly condemned (verse 29).
Also, abortion is moral when the mother will die if she gives birth or the baby will be born severely physically and mentally disabled. I teach exactly what I should.
Not the way I heard it; while it is acceptable under the principle of double effect to have a procedure done to save the life of the mother which has the side effect of killing the fetus, it is not acceptalbe to simply abort the fetus: direct abortion is murder and never justifiable.
I will make sure that all Catholics are treated fairly and equally as a Youth Minister. Tolerance is about loving and respecting all individuals. Now, evil people should not be Tolerated. A truly evil person is one who judges others or forces their uneducated views on everyone else.
I disagree with you here: an evil person is someone who knowingly leads other people into sin.
Abortion might always be an evil in your opinion, However, no one who is raped should be forced to go through further rape of her body.
And compound rape with murder? I should hope not! The child is totally innocent- how can anyone claim the right to kill it? 😦

Also, regarding the accusation of bad grammar, I would say that, although technically correct, the sentence in question was not very well-constructed and slightly confusing.

Final note: I am a teenager. I participate in my (rather small) parish youth group- I really couldn’t tell you much about how to manage a group of hundreds- we only ever deal with dozens at the most. However, I would advise you to keep in mind that there will be a great deal of spiritual and intellectual diversity, and you should make sure that you don’t alienate anyone who wants to take their Catholic faith seriously.
 
I, as a Catholic, am on no crusade to harm the Catholic Church. I am learning what it means to be a Catholic again. You shall not pray for the errors of anyone for you are not error-free.
First, congratulations on your return to the Catholic faith. For whatever reason you converted, this is the most wonderful, indeed heavenly, place on earth, and the Catholic Faith is the most beautiful and true creed in the world. Sure, we are all human, and do not fully reflect our King and High Priest, Jesus Christ, but we are guided by his Holy Spirit who protects the Church from falsehood and lies, most fully through the Pope, who is the successor of Peter.

Christ foresaw the strive and disagreement, that would arise if he “left us fatherless” (John 14,18). Human pride and ignorance would quickly cause God’s truth to be twisted into heresy, and so he left us His Spirit - in the Church as a whole, but most especially in the Magisterium of the Pope, the successor of Peter. When important discussions concerning faith and morals arise, and it is obvious, that the Church must either take a definitive stand or be torn apart, God has supplied us with an infallible Shepherd.

As you said we are all ignorant to some degree… especially people like you and I, who are new in the faith… and are left open to the flaming arrows of the devil, who is called the father of lies. We can not arrive at Truth simply by reason, but must rely on authority in many cases - like we did when we were told what day we were born, or when we had to learn to read.

It is not a question of whether there should be authority in the Church - there always will be. The question is whose authority is the ultimate authority that the lesser authorities can be measured against.

It would seem, that, despite you came in good faith into the Church, those who were supposed to show you what the Catholic faith is, have been misleading you on several counts. They, in turn, may be in good faith too, but being in good faith doesn’t mean being in True Faith. It is the unhappy situation today, that many - even among the religious - have compromised the Truth. They have admitted changes and distortions of the faith, to appear more “modern” or politically correct. The orthodoxy of any Catholic, religious or layman, depends on how well their beliefs correspond to those of the Roman Church and the Roman Bishop, the Pope. If they do not, and we are made aware of this, but refuse to change our minds, we are in heresy by definition.

You seem pretty certain of your views, but can you really justify that certainty? As a Youth Minister, you are in a place of authority. Many young people will believe what you teach them simply on that authority… Can you handle that burden on your own? No disrespect, but you can’t even quote a few verses to back up some of your opinions on the Old Testament… are you prepared to teach universal truths based on your own reasoning?

I am a third semester Theology student, I know my way around the Bible (grew up Protestant), I have a pretty firm grasp of Philosophy, and have been in apologetics for the last 7-8 years. But I know, that I wouldn’t feel comfortable even instructing children if I did not have the authority of the Church to rely on.

People on this forum become frustrated, because, though poorly instructed yourself, you are put in a teaching position in the Church. That means potentially teaching grave falsehood to those entrusted in your care.

You may not mean to harm the Church intentionally. Parents who refuse to have their children medically treated may not mean harm either. But error is the greatest enemy of the Church, whose Master said “I am the Truth”. And falsehood is mortal…

Do not teach until you have been immersed in truth yourself. You can not give, what you don’t have. Study the Catechism daily with a prayerful, and obedient heart, which is the attitude of the saints. Pray the rosary. Then you will find the Catholic Faith, not theological opinion.
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There is one thing that I must say. Since I am only wrong on a few items of Catholic teaching, I am a far better Youth Minister than many others. The majority of Catholic teachers are intrinsically wrong about their teachings and marginalize and alienate many individuals.
 
Thank you.

Next, you stated that you do not support the Church’s teaching on abortion.

Have you studied enough to retract this?
I never said that I do not support the Church’s teaching on abortion. I will not retract what I said on abortion because a young child who is raped should not be forced to bear a child since it will likely make her unable to produce further children and there is a high chance that she will die. There is no logical reason to be against all forms of abortion.
 
I never said that I do not support the Church’s teaching on abortion. I will not retract what I said on abortion because a young child who is raped should not be forced to bear a child since it will likely make her unable to produce further children and there is a high chance that she will die. There is no logical reason to be against all forms of abortion.
To teach this is to teach against the Faith.

All forms of direct abortion are grave evil.

Go back to learning the Faith before you attempt to teach, you do not want to teach against the Faith.
 
You need to represent what the Church teaches in regards to abortion, not your own personal beliefs or “logical reasons”.

If you are a Youth Minister, your obligation is to teach what the Church teaches, not what you think is “truth”, especially in regards to abortion. (read up and learn about it because you are in grave error, your views are not in line with Church teachings. You are on catholic.com for crying out loud! Look it up!)

If you are not ready to adhere to Church teaching 100%, you are not ready to be in charge of the Youth Group.

As a youth minister, I never denied anyone participation, however, talks/discussions were never watered down for political correctness either. Also, you failed to address the concern of the parent. No parent wants their child to be taught something in direct contradiction of the Church and you did nothing to quell those fears. That may explode on you later on. Learn to respect and try to understand the parents. We all have difficult parents, but to give an ultimatum is not charity but pride.

Teach the Fullness of Truth. If you do, you’ll see the youth rise up and love the Church. They ask the best questions and are ready for the challenge. If not, you’ll have more people trusting their own “authority and logic” based on society versus the wisdom and love of the Catholic Church.

Also, I would recommend Priests for Life. I will pray for you.
 
To teach this is to teach against the Faith.

All forms of direct abortion are grave evil.

Go back to learning the Faith before you attempt to teach, you do not want to teach against the Faith.
If, due to an abortion, the pregnant woman dies then that is still murder. If, in a situation either way the fetus or the girl will die then the fetus should die. To teach that it is good to murder an innocent girl who was raped by a sick perverted man for the sake of the fetus is simply ignorant and unfortunate. It appears that the Catholic church believes that women are worthless and not as good as a fetus.
 
You had originally said:

“However, no one who is raped should be forced to go through further rape of her body.”

Then it was: a very young girl who was raped should be allowed to abort because if she did take the baby to term, she would likely not be able to have children again and she will probably die.

Now, it has changed to: if it’s a choice between a pregnant girl and the fetus, then the doctors should abort.

Firstly, I’m not sure that it’s even true that girls who are young but having their period are likely to die or not be able to have children again.

Secondly, I don’t believe that the CC is as strict as you seem to think when a dying woman and baby are on the emergency room table. They would want everything possible to be done for the baby but I don’t think that the CC requires that the mother be allowed to die just to avoid killing the child. I believe that the child can be extracted and a attempt be made to keep the child alive. If the child is too young, then that is unfortunate.

The bottom line is that you should not express your opinion as a youth minister but know exactly what the Church teaches and teach that.
 
You had originally said:

“However, no one who is raped should be forced to go through further rape of her body.”

Then it was: a very young girl who was raped should be allowed to abort because if she did take the baby to term, she would likely not be able to have children again and she will probably die.

Now, it has changed to: if it’s a choice between a pregnant girl and the fetus, then the doctors should abort.

Firstly, I’m not sure that it’s even true that girls who are young but having their period are likely to die or not be able to have children again.

Secondly, I don’t believe that the CC is as strict as you seem to think when a dying woman and baby are on the emergency room table. They would want everything possible to be done for the baby but I don’t think that the CC requires that the mother be allowed to die just to avoid killing the child. I believe that the child can be extracted and a attempt be made to keep the child alive. If the child is too young, then that is unfortunate.

The bottom line is that you should not express your opinion as a youth minister but know exactly what the Church teaches and teach that.
Then I shall just not teach on abortion.
 
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