How do you science guys deal with this?

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Science ask the question “How?” and Theology asks “Who?”. The Bible is not a science book and should not be read as such. Learn more about the different books in the Bible and their characteristics. There are poetic, historical, allegorical, teaching parts etc. Using a poetic reading to prove science doesn’t work. The creation stories are much more about the relationship between human beings and God and human being to another human being.

The beginning of the Gospel of John and Psalms 8 and 104 have a more poetic reading that balance what we as human beings can’t fully understand and research. We can never try an experiment like creating something out of nothing.
 
Correct me if I’m wrong, don’t Catholics celebrate the Lord’s day rather than the Sabbath?
 
Oh. My bad then ‘^’
Thank you for explaining it, I’ll keep it in mind.
 
JohnSadblack said:
I don’t know how to deal with the “7 days” tale and creationism, because of the multiple historical and scientific proofs. It’s the only thing that prevents me to believe in Christianity for now.
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Catholics aren’t creationists for the most part. As noted above, a Catholic priest actually came up with the Big Bang Theory. A few Catholics are creationists, others accept evolution. The Church doesn’t take a position and permits either view. The Church also doesn’t require people to take Genesis literally, and for the most part its theologians don’t.

There are certain Protestant groups who believe very strongly in creationism, but again, they aren’t us.
 
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That article may be written to convince Protestants. I stopped reading after “Seventh-day Adventist” because they’re just a little nuts on the subject of “Sabbath” to the point of sending hate literature to Catholic homes, including mine, about it.

I was taught the third commandment as a child, as, “Remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.” There is no distinction between Sabbath and Lord’s Day for a Catholic. I am not a former Seventh-Day Adventist and I’m not interested in what wacky stuff they think.

Some support for Sabbath and Sunday and Lord’s Day being interchangeable:

 
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That article presents writings from the Church Fathers that is relevant to your inquiry. By all means ignore it if you like.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
“The Lord’s Day” and “The Sabbath”
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The Sabbath is the Jewish holy day, Saturday.

There is a lot about that in this section of the CCC:

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a3.htm

for example, this brief excerpt:
Sunday - fulfillment of the sabbath

2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ’s Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man’s eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ:

Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord’s Day, in which our life is blessed by him and by his death. (St. Ignatius of Antioch)
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Whatever, it sounds like a bunch of word games to me.

I’ll repost the article I just posted above

“Sunday is the fulfillment of the sabbath of the old testament”
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and some more

“…We not only keep the Sabbath on Sunday…”
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https://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/SABBATH.HTM


"The “first day of the week’ observance was clearly the new Sabbath for the Christians.”
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The first article doesn’t say they’re interchangeable at all. I’ll review the second.

I’ve read two articles now. You seem to be stacking them up but I think the catechism and Church Fathers are clear on the matter. We do not keep the Jewish Sabbath strictly speaking. The Lord’s day perfects the Jewish Sabbath and can be distinguished from it.

You’ll want to keep this in mind when people falsely accuse the Church of “changing” the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.
 
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Fine. I’ve posted a half dozen more to make my point that the terms are interchangeable to Catholics today.

The only people who make a big deal out of the change of language from “Sabbath” to “Lord’s Day” are
a) Apologists like Jimmy Akin who are writing for Protestants who are concerned about the Catholics changing the “Sabbath” from Saturday to Sunday

b) Other writers who are making a distinction between Jewish Sabbath and Catholic Sunday
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c) the Baltimore Catechism, lesson 32, section 1248, which as I’ve stated many times was not the official Catechism of the Church and has other questionable stuff in it.

Like I said, this is a semantics issue for most Catholics. We know what “Sabbath” means. We do not approach it from a big apologetics perspective every time. I’ll be leaving the thread now as this is just getting silly IMHO, have a nice day.
 
Yeah I’m with you. Derailed the thread no worries it’s not a hill to die on. Thanks for the info.
 
I’m not sure what your point is, what your question is. The Bible is not a science book and so there is no reconciliation required. From the first verse, the Bible assumes the reader/listener believes in a god, for example.

Yes, the text says God rested, but the point was to show that the sabbath was part of the created order. When later the Bible shows up something that appears to be new, Jewish scholars always harmonize and rationalize that it was actually created in the first six days.

Genesis takes for granted another conspicuous idea, that the reader would already understand the idea of an angel that would stand guard to block the way to the tree of life.

The key is to harmonize and rationalize, learn from God’s ways.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
c) the Baltimore Catechism, lesson 32, section 1248, which as I’ve stated many times was not the official Catechism of the Church and has other questionable stuff in it.
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I guess you missed my post. That’s okay. Helps me work on my humility. 😉
 
Keep asking questions. That is one way of learning. Just because all 7-year-olds learnt how to read doesn’t mean all 7-year-olds will know how to read next year.
 
jesusmademe said:
The Bible teaches a 7 day creation or rather a 6 day creation with a resting day. I see this as a story and not literal days.
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Respectfully opinion only pondering…
" Day- yom has 4 different meanings…
The daylight portion of a day
The Part of the day light hours…
The ordinary day --now has 24 hrs…
The longer but finite period of time" unquote 🤔

What is Time? Definition and meaning of …Time according to Scripture?

How did our Heavenly Father measure …Time…a Day… found in Scripture?.🤔
A day is but a thousand years and a thousand years is but a …day…
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Jesus time A Day =12 hrs?
Evening was another day=12 hrs?
Evening was created first came first before …Day Light?
Why Light…, Day Light …was created?
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Evening (Day) darkness was first, was a day =12 hrs?
Creation of Light named = Day (light) a day=12 hrs=?

If our Heavenly Father his measurement? His definition? and His meaning given in Scripture defines a… …day … is equal to a …thousand years…could it be
God’s creation was … not fully accomplished in 7 Days …but maybe in… 7 thousand years?
Ecc. 3:1 To everything there is a season…
Our lives revolve around …TIME?
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Interesting also our Heavenly Father his measurement his… Calendar…Is the Sun, Moon …His Feast day begins on the first full Moon?

Interesting…so to understand day, time, seasons, Sun Moon role also… cannot be defined nor understood by our source of measurement used then?

Peace
 
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jesusmademe said:
How do you science guys deal with this?
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Science guy here. Maybe it’s like cruise control. God is still in the driver’s seat and he’s always making small steering corrections until his full attention is required at the next traffic jam.
 
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