How do you stop obsessive sinful thoughts?

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Hey everyone. What do you do if you can a sinful image or thought in your mind and no matter what you do, it won’t go away? What if you have even tried praying for it to go away and have tried focusing on something else but the thought keeps returning? What should one do?
 
Hey everyone. What do you do if you can a sinful image or thought in your mind and no matter what you do, it won’t go away? What if you have even tried praying for it to go away and have tried focusing on something else but the thought keeps returning? What should one do?
On a theological level, sometimes we receive thorns for the purpose of our deepening trust in God and relying upon Him to deliver us. Your quote about the rosary is apt when you take the prayer to be a call to meditate upon and surround yourself with. Perhaps another spiritual re-direction is apt - watching The Passion of the Christ or immersing yourself in the Presence of the Sacrament, or at least seeking refuge on Holy Ground. Have you prayed the Rite of Exorcism? It’s not necessarily a case of demonic obsession (though it’s not outside their realm to convulse us with lustful thoughts) but the uniting of your conscious will with the desire of the Church to keep us undefiled by the world and focused on Christ can only help.

From a practical perspective, I find sniffing vinegar helps dull some thoughts - not like enough to cause hypoxia, just to put enough of a bad taste in your nostrils and mouth that you stop “running hot” from the sinful thought. Physical activity helps too - running can redirect sexual urges into constructive physical effort. And what helps most is time - the longer you’re away from it, the less you’ll obsess about it. I find that the image or thought gets loudest as it’s going away, fighting to stay in my mind though I do not let it.
 
On a theological level, sometimes we receive thorns for the purpose of our deepening trust in God and relying upon Him to deliver us. Your quote about the rosary is apt when you take the prayer to be a call to meditate upon and surround yourself with. Perhaps another spiritual re-direction is apt - watching The Passion of the Christ or immersing yourself in the Presence of the Sacrament, or at least seeking refuge on Holy Ground. Have you prayed the Rite of Exorcism? It’s not necessarily a case of demonic obsession (though it’s not outside their realm to convulse us with lustful thoughts) but the uniting of your conscious will with the desire of the Church to keep us undefiled by the world and focused on Christ can only help.

From a practical perspective, I find sniffing vinegar helps dull some thoughts - not like enough to cause hypoxia, just to put enough of a bad taste in your nostrils and mouth that you stop “running hot” from the sinful thought. Physical activity helps too - running can redirect sexual urges into constructive physical effort. And what helps most is time - the longer you’re away from it, the less you’ll obsess about it. I find that the image or thought gets loudest as it’s going away, fighting to stay in my mind though I do not let it.
Thanks losh.
 
I am no stranger to obsessive compulsive thoughts and actions and have found this to be both a blessing and a curse. You’re question is naturally limited to sinful thoughts and so while I’ve had obsessive pure thoughts I’ll address in a later posting the issues pertaining to sinful thoughts. I just don’t have time now.

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(from previous posts of mine regarding the morality of unwanted thoughts…)

Regarding thoughts

while Jesus makes it clear that one can sin in ones thoughts…just cause some lustful thought happens does not mean that one sinned…

(and one can have a sufficiently good reason to think about sexual matters…for instance studying moral theology…but care must be taken to avoid things that would be a problem…but that is another question)

What should we do with* unwanted* sexual thoughts or other bad thoughts…thoughts against God etc? Those pesky temptations that can come …even though we are not seeking them etc…

(there are of course some things we should avoid that cause them…and there can be sin if it is something one should reasonably avoid…but often they come uninvited)

First…Relax. Do not worry.

Now are they mortal sins?

For a mortal sin one needs a grave matter …full knowledge AND deliberate consent!!!

A. If you do not want the thought…it the thought displeases you: it can be a sign actually that you did not give consent or do not give full consent.

B. Even if you felt a temptation for the thought – and were drawn to it —but rejected it and maybe even turned to God : again a sign not full consent.

C. But what if one has a tempting thought --say of a sexual nature and even hesitated for a moment…but then rejected it for one did not want to sin? : it can be partial consent perhaps (and thus a venial sin)-- or it may be no sin at all but rather a strong temptation that drew you but then you saw what was happening and turned away.

D. A temptation can even be very strong or the thoughts very often – but this does NOT mean one has consented! so worry not…even it they go on for a long time…

remember --for it to be mortal there must be that deliberate consent!

What to do? on the spiritual side–relax first of all and remember the above.

Next – know that the more one fears the thoughts the more likely they are to come… or said another way --the more a person seeks to avoid the thoughts the more likely he will have a problem with them. (but do not worry about this either!)

for example: for the next 10 seconds try NOT to think of an apple.

tick tock …

tick tock…

Ok what did you think of? Most likely an apple.

So it is best to ignore them and just not consent and then turn your attention to some other good thing…for instance whatever you are doing. Simply do not consent and move on. and do not worry

another point – thoughts can just happen --they are the stuff with which we think…it is up to us to consent and take them further or not. and just because they are REAL VIVID and almost “think themselves” does not mean per se that one has given ANY consent.

they can be annoying…but need cause no actual harm …

(Now difficulties with thoughts can happen to anyone…and has for centuries…nothing new!..but I will note too that “some” have a condition known as OCD (I knew someone with this once…it was a painful experience)…and thus should seek further professional help to work at overcoming it and to live a more peaceful life)

Another help…is the distinction between “first thoughts and emotions” (as Baur calls em) what they call the prima of the prima…“the first of the first” (as one of my Professors called em…he was a Dominican)…these are involuntary things that just come up…such are not sins. They can tempt one of course to sin…or one can then proceed to some sin…but they are the stuff of the mind and emotions which “happen to one” …and really the are opportunities for growing in virtue etc as well…

How to deal with these? First of relax…don’t scruple…don’t fear them…to try to swat them all as the come…just simply turn to other things…or the thing you are doing…or to God…(of course do not consent)…but if you are too defensive against them…they may get worse actually…and confuse you more…instead turn to God or again other good things…accept that hey…somethings wild thoughts will come to you…

(and these can happen to all of us by the way…)

There is a story from the desert of the early Centuries of the Church where a younger hermit when to an older one with the problems of thoughts happening to him all the time…the older hermit told him to go outside open his cloak and catch the wind.

The younger hermit said such is not possible…

the older hermit replied --neither is it possible to stop all the thoughts that can come to you…your choice is to say “yes” or “no”.

So relax about “unwanted thoughts”…sometimes they just come…you know like unwanted phone calls from politicitians and salepersons etc…but you can always say “no thank you” or just ignore the call and go about your business
 
This seems to be a very common problem for Catholics!! What helps me is to repeat over and over in my mind, “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a Sinner.” It is a prayer for help and at the same time, it focuses your thinking on something else.
 
I use this prayer, a priest introduced me to this one when I was having strange, out of nowhere obsessive, steamy thoughts about someone else. It works!!

Saint Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host -
by the Divine Power of God -
cast into hell, satan and all the evil spirits,
who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls.

Amen.
 
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