How does a sex-crazed son of a Pagan

[Darryl_B]

Supernatural is just another empty concept, without a referent in reality. Just like the Loch Ness monster, or the Easter Bunny or the “honest politician”.

Taking the position of cynical disbelief is easy, but when preached emphatically for a season, and you then find yourself staring into the face of eighty, you will find the family doesn’t visit so much, and the nurses draw lots to care for other patients.

 

[Darryl_B]

Sheol, Hades and Gehenna are not “hell” and should never be translated as such. Most current versions have changed this. Sheol and Hades are the pit or grave, and when used in that context consistently instead of only when the writers wanted to, scripture makes a whole lot more sense.

First of all terms.

Sheol is the place the physical body goes, but man is not just a physical entity we have a soul, something which cannot be destroyed by anyone or anything other than God himself. We know that from Scripture if you find the Church to be too arrogant.

Hades is the abode of the supernatural soul. Jesus Christ not only according to the Apostles Creed, but also according to Peter (from whence you get the earth burning up), went and preached to the souls in hades, the creed says he descended into hell.

So we see in Acts 2:31 which is a citation from Psalm 16:10.

he foreseeing this spake of the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he left unto Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.

Physical flesh see corruption, soul in Hades.

I am assuming you have read Josephus Discourse to the Greeks concerning Hades in your diligence. It predates Augustine by 300 years.

 

[Vera_Ljuba]

Taking the position of cynical disbelief is easy, but when preached emphatically for a season, and you then find yourself staring into the face of eighty, you will find the family doesn’t visit so much, and the nurses draw lots to care for other patients.

Why is disbelief “cynical”? And why do you try to use this scare tactics, in the form of: “when the proverbial substance will finally hit the fan, you would be better off in your little make-belief world, rather than facing reality”? With your approach you could even raise the stakes and go for the jugular: “But when you will face God and in his justice he will condemn you to the eternal fire, it will be too late to change your mind, nyah, nyah. And we shall look down upon you and our pleasure will be even higher by observing your well-deserved suffering”.

Or as Aquinas so eloquently stated: “That the saints may enjoy their beatitude and the grace of God more abundantly they are permitted to see the punishment of the damned in hell.” What a perfect enunciation of “Schadenfreude”.

 

[Darryl_B]

I never said disbelief is cynical. They are mutually exclusive. One can still write poetry in disbelief.

 

[NonTimendum]

My main point was if so few are saved, as he famously wrote about, then why would a previously heinous sinner such as himself, be one of the few? Surely there were plenty of innocent children and righteous adults who suffered many more tribulations than him and lived much more purely? Was he being presumptuous or did he consider himself one of the damned?

Heaven is not a reward for good behavior and it is not a consolation prize for sufferers.

I’m relatively sure Augustine was never entierely positive of his own salvation. Many Saints suffer from scrupulousness.

 

[laylow]

First of all terms.

Sheol is the place the physical body goes, but man is not just a physical entity we have a soul, something which cannot be destroyed by anyone or anything other than God himself. We know that from Scripture if you find the Church to be too arrogant.

Hades is the abode of the supernatural soul. Jesus Christ not only according to the Apostles Creed, but also according to Peter (from whence you get the earth burning up), went and preached to the souls in hades, the creed says he descended into hell.

So we see in Acts 2:31 which is a citation from Psalm 16:10.

Physical flesh see corruption, soul in Hades.

I am assuming you have read Josephus Discourse to the Greeks concerning Hades in your diligence. It predates Augustine by 300 years.

I mainly support Edward Fudge’s interpretation of hell in accordance of the scriptures.

 

[Darryl_B]

I mainly support Edward Fudge’s interpretation of hell in accordance of the scriptures.

Im not finding this to be very conversational nor engaging. I wish you well.

 

[laylow]

Or as Aquinas so eloquently stated: “That the saints may enjoy their beatitude and the grace of God more abundantly they are permitted to see the punishment of the damned in hell.” What a perfect enunciation of “Schadenfreude”.

I am a firm believer in God, but definitely not the infallibility of the Bible or any church. That quote from Aquinas is simply ludicrous, and heartless. Anyone who believes it must be a firm believer of the God of the Old Testament as opposed to the God of the New Testament which appear to contrast each other so severely that there are many questions. Aquinas was appealing to the teachings of his time and definitely the treatment of humanity at that time.