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Mig
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Is the baptism sufficient for repentance for previous sins? Does it depend on the type and severity of sin? Is confession of past sins still needed?
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Bookcat
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An adult…repents of all their sins…believes the Gospel and then is baptized! (if they have not been validly baptized…)Is the baptism sufficient for repentance for previous sins? Does it depend on the type and severity of sin? Is confession of past sins still needed?
…yes when one is Baptized into Christ they are a NEW CREATION.
One is born again in Faith and Baptism.
anything prior to baptism is not confessed. It is no more…
they are washed way in Baptism…as Paul notes in Acts 22:16
And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’ (RSV)
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Bookcat
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Catechism of the Catholic Church:
1263 By Baptism *all *sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all punishment for sin. In those who have been reborn nothing remains that would impede their entry into the Kingdom of God, neither Adam’s sin, nor personal sin, nor the consequences of sin, the gravest of which is separation from God.
1263 By Baptism *all *sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all punishment for sin. In those who have been reborn nothing remains that would impede their entry into the Kingdom of God, neither Adam’s sin, nor personal sin, nor the consequences of sin, the gravest of which is separation from God.
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D0UBTFIRE
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What if it’s a condicional baptism (like me)?? Would a condicional confession of all past sins be required incase it was the first baptism that was spiritually valid?
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Spencerian
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Hi, there.What if it’s a condicional baptism (like me)?? Would a condicional confession of all past sins be required incase it was the first baptism that was spiritually valid?
A conditional baptism is as valid as a normal baptism, unless you are truly aware that you were properly baptized before. In which case, a conditional baptism would do nothing for sins committed after the original, valid baptism.
In any case, when in doubt, make an examination of your conscience and go to confession.
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Bookcat
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yes one would go to confession for ones mortal sins…(at least)…What if it’s a condicional baptism (like me)?? Would a condicional confession of all past sins be required incase it was the first baptism that was spiritually valid?
of course the Priest would need to know that this is what is going on…
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Bookcat
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If the person was already validly baptized…a conditional baptism would not be a baptism.Hi, there.
A conditional baptism is as valid as a normal baptism, unless you are truly aware that you were properly baptized before. In which case, a conditional baptism would do nothing for sins committed after the original, valid baptism.
In any case, when in doubt, make an examination of your conscience and go to confession.
So one would not say that it is ‘valid’ in such a case.
the person still needs to confess their mortal sins …the priest of course knowing what they are doing …
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Spirithound
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If you have not been baptized, then you will be baptized, and all your sins, both mortal and venial, are wiped away.Is the baptism sufficient for repentance for previous sins? Does it depend on the type and severity of sin? Is confession of past sins still needed?
If you have been baptized, you make a confession of your sins to the priest and your sins will be forgiven.
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puzzleannie
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yes baptism removes all sin, original and actual (that inherited from our first parents, and that we have committed ourselves). An adult preparing for baptism is in a continual, intense process of conversion called RCIA, and the rites and preparation that involves facilitate that conversion process.Is the baptism sufficient for repentance for previous sins? Does it depend on the type and severity of sin? Is confession of past sins still needed?
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otjm
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I think you missed part of the question. Midstream, it was noted that the discussion was about a convert who was/is/will be conditionally baptized. You have things down pretty tight as to requirements, but your answer here doesn’t seem responsive to what the real question is.yes baptism removes all sin, original and actual (that inherited from our first parents, and that we have committed ourselves). An adult preparing for baptism is in a continual, intense process of conversion called RCIA, and the rites and preparation that involves facilitate that conversion process.
If one does not know, or thinks they were baptized at a very early age but there is not proof (and apparently no witnesses available), and so one is going to be conditionally baptized, how does this get handled?
On another thread it was stated that one needed to be conditionally baptized, then go to Reconciliation, then receive First Communion (with no mention being made of Confirmation). That would seem to preclude being conditionally baptized at the Holy Saturday Night liturgy.
Since you have been involved with RCIA, your comments?
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diggerdomer
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Yes baptism is sufficient.Is the baptism sufficient for repentance for previous sins? Does it depend on the type and severity of sin? Is confession of past sins still needed?
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diggerdomer
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Baptism forgives all sins.What if it’s a condicional baptism (like me)?? Would a condicional confession of all past sins be required incase it was the first baptism that was spiritually valid?
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diggerdomer
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If the person was already baptized there would be no further baptism. If the person in question is being baptized, then there was obviously no prior valid baptism. The Catholic Church does not “conditionally baptize” those who are validly baptized.If the person was already validly baptized…a conditional baptism would not be a baptism.
So one would not say that it is ‘valid’ in such a case.
the person still needs to confess their mortal sins …the priest of course knowing what they are doing …
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Matthew_Holford
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Yes.Is the baptism sufficient for repentance for previous sins?
No, all sins, original and personal (mortal and venial) are forgiven.Does it depend on the type and severity of sin?
No, because they are forgiven in baptismIs confession of past sins still needed?
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Matthew_Holford
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Conditional baptism is administered if: 1. there is still a doubt about whether you were baptised after diligent inquiries or 2. there is no doubt about the fact that you were baptised but there is doubt about whether it was lacking in validity. If you have not been validly baptised, you will be baptised by conditional baptism and all sins - original and personal (mortal and venial) - will be forgiven. If you have been validly baptised, the conditional baptism will have no effect - no sins will be forgiven.What if it’s a condicional baptism (like me)??
If you have a conditional baptism go to sacramental confession afterwards and tell the priest the circumstances.Would a condicional confession of all past sins be required incase it was the first baptism that was spiritually valid?
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Spirithound
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It is my understanding (from reading posts on these fora) that a conditional baptism is received at some point before the Easter Vigil, because due to the uncertain nature of whether it is the valid baptism or not, a confession is made after it (but before the Vigil), so that Holy Communion and Confirmation will be received at the Vigil.On another thread it was stated that one needed to be conditionally baptized, then go to Reconciliation, then receive First Communion (with no mention being made of Confirmation). That would seem to preclude being conditionally baptized at the Holy Saturday Night liturgy.
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otjm
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That, perhaps, is how it should be done; I have seen otherwise. Thus my question to Puzzleannie.It is my understanding (from reading posts on these fora) that a conditional baptism is received at some point before the Easter Vigil, because due to the uncertain nature of whether it is the valid baptism or not, a confession is made after it (but before the Vigil), so that Holy Communion and Confirmation will be received at the Vigil.
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diggerdomer
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No need. Baptism forgives/removes all sins.If you have a conditional baptism go to sacramental confession afterwards and tell the priest the circumstances.
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diggerdomer
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Baptism forgives/removes all sins. There’s nothing in the Catholic tradition or liturgy that suggests following Baptism one needs Reconciliation.It is my understanding (from reading posts on these fora) that a conditional baptism is received at some point before the Easter Vigil, because due to the uncertain nature of whether it is the valid baptism or not, a confession is made after it (but before the Vigil), so that Holy Communion and Confirmation will be received at the Vigil.
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Spirithound
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But a conditional baptism may not be a real baptism, and so confession may be appropriate.Baptism forgives/removes all sins. There’s nothing in the Catholic tradition or liturgy that suggests following Baptism one needs Reconciliation.
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