How does Confession in the "Tridentine Rite" go

[ConvertHereYay]

I currently attend TLM but haven’t been to Confession at that church yet? How would it go?
What do you do?

Thanks.

 

[choy]

you must confess your sins in Latin, otherwise they’re not forgiven

just yanking your chain. there is no Tridentine Rite. the EF is a form of the Roman Rite Mass. the other sacraments outside of mass are the same regardless if its a TLM parish or not

 

[Adeodatus]

Well, it’s still the Latin Rite… our rite just has two forms (the Ordinary Form and the Extraordinary Form aka the TLM).

It’s the same as any other confession. Though where I go there’s no face-to-face option, it’s the booth (mostly b/c it’s our cathedral, which is a fine old place).

It’s in the vernacular, of course.

 

[IntegraCatholic]

No, the rite of confession is not the same as in the Novus Ordo. Yes, what you say is in the vernacular. The rite itself (what the priest says) ought to be in Latin, though later permissions were given to use English for some parts. Something of note is that when you first come in the priest may immediately bless you or wait for “Bless me, Father, for I have sinned.” This is still taught to children making their first confession, even though priests do not generally bless the penitent anymore. Most likely, the priest will say the blessing only after you ask for it (Dominus sit in corde tuo, etc.). Though some do this silently, you are better off waiting to be sure before you say how long it’s been since your last confession and what your sins are. Here are the words used in the traditional rite, followed by the English translation (so much more beautiful and efficacious than what you are used to):

Dominus noster Jesus Christus te absolvat; et ego auctoritate ipsius te absolvo ab omni vinculo excommunicationis (suspensionis [if you are a cleric]) et interdicti in quantum possum et tu indiges. Deinde, ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.

Passio Domini nostri Jesu Christi, merita Beatæ Mariæ Virginis et omnium sanctorum, quidquid boni feceris vel mali sustinueris sint tibi in remissionem peccatorum, augmentum gratiæ et præmium vitæ æternæ.

May our Lord Jesus Christ absolve you; and by His authority I absolve you from every bond of excommunication, [suspension,] and interdict, so far as my power allows and your needs require. Thereupon, I absolve you of your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

May the Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the merits of the Blessed Virgin Mary and of all the saints obtain for you that whatever good you do or whatever evil you bear might merit for you the remission of your sins, the increase of grace and the reward of everlasting life.

Keep in mind that the priest may begin immediately saying the Dominus noster, etc., aloud while you are saying your act of contrition. In this case, you are best off just saying it silently to yourself. The first experience in a traditional confessional (and not only because of the rite) is very much like the first experience of the traditional Mass–very beautiful and something that will stay with you.

 

[MarkThompson]

“Novus Ordo” and “TLM” are forms of the Mass, not forms of Catholicism. There is permission to use the 1962 Missal, but confession is not in the 1962 Missal. There is no Novus Ordo Poenitentialis. There have been changes to the form of the sacramental rite, but I don’t know of any permission that’s been granted to use outdated forms.

 

[Ockham]

No, the rite of confession is not the same as in the Novus Ordo. Yes, what you say is in the vernacular. The rite itself (what the priest says) ought to be in Latin, though later permissions were given to use English for some parts. Something of note is that when you first come in the priest may immediately bless you or wait for “Bless me, Father, for I have sinned.” This is still taught to children making their first confession, even though priests do not generally bless the penitent anymore. Most likely, the priest will say the blessing only after you ask for it (Dominus sit in corde tuo, etc.). Though some do this silently, you are better off waiting to be sure before you say how long it’s been since your last confession and what your sins are. Here are the words used in the traditional rite, followed by the English translation (so much more beautiful and efficacious than what you are used to):

Dominus noster Jesus Christus te absolvat; et ego auctoritate ipsius te absolvo ab omni vinculo excommunicationis (suspensionis [if you are a cleric]) et interdicti in quantum possum et tu indiges. Deinde, ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.

Passio Domini nostri Jesu Christi, merita Beatæ Mariæ Virginis et omnium sanctorum, quidquid boni feceris vel mali sustinueris sint tibi in remissionem peccatorum, augmentum gratiæ et præmium vitæ æternæ.

May our Lord Jesus Christ absolve you; and by His authority I absolve you from every bond of excommunication, [suspension,] and interdict, so far as my power allows and your needs require. Thereupon, I absolve you of your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

May the Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the merits of the Blessed Virgin Mary and of all the saints obtain for you that whatever good you do or whatever evil you bear might merit for you the remission of your sins, the increase of grace and the reward of everlasting life.

Keep in mind that the priest may begin immediately saying the Dominus noster, etc., aloud while you are saying your act of contrition. In this case, you are best off just saying it silently to yourself. The first experience in a traditional confessional (and not only because of the rite) is very much like the first experience of the traditional Mass–very beautiful and something that will stay with you.

Nice post. Worth repeating.

To the OP, do a little more research and then just go. The sacrament of Confession is making a come back. Good thing because we all know what happens if you die with a mortal sin on your soul.

 

[AnneElliot]

No, the rite of confession is not the same as in the Novus Ordo. Yes, what you say is in the vernacular. The rite itself (what the priest says) ought to be in Latin, though later permissions were given to use English for some parts. Something of note is that when you first come in the priest may immediately bless you or wait for “Bless me, Father, for I have sinned.” This is still taught to children making their first confession, even though priests do not generally bless the penitent anymore. Most likely, the priest will say the blessing only after you ask for it (Dominus sit in corde tuo, etc.). Though some do this silently, you are better off waiting to be sure before you say how long it’s been since your last confession and what your sins are. Here are the words used in the traditional rite, followed by the English translation (so much more beautiful and efficacious than what you are used to):

Dominus noster Jesus Christus te absolvat; et ego auctoritate ipsius te absolvo ab omni vinculo excommunicationis (suspensionis [if you are a cleric]) et interdicti in quantum possum et tu indiges. Deinde, ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.

Passio Domini nostri Jesu Christi, merita Beatæ Mariæ Virginis et omnium sanctorum, quidquid boni feceris vel mali sustinueris sint tibi in remissionem peccatorum, augmentum gratiæ et præmium vitæ æternæ.

May our Lord Jesus Christ absolve you; and by His authority I absolve you from every bond of excommunication, [suspension,] and interdict, so far as my power allows and your needs require. Thereupon, I absolve you of your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

May the Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the merits of the Blessed Virgin Mary and of all the saints obtain for you that whatever good you do or whatever evil you bear might merit for you the remission of your sins, the increase of grace and the reward of everlasting life.

Keep in mind that the priest may begin immediately saying the Dominus noster, etc., aloud while you are saying your act of contrition. In this case, you are best off just saying it silently to yourself. The first experience in a traditional confessional (and not only because of the rite) is very much like the first experience of the traditional Mass–very beautiful and something that will stay with you.

Great post!

This has been my experience with Confession before an EF Mass (/TLM). And at my parish, the priest usually absolves everyone in Latin, whether they’re confessing before the Latin (EF) or the English (OF) Mass.

To the OP, just go to Confession when you need to, without worrying about whether you’ve memorized the format… the priest will help you out, especially if you just ask.

 

[h1478971]

No, the rite of confession is not the same as in the Novus Ordo. Yes, what you say is in the vernacular. The rite itself (what the priest says) ought to be in Latin, though later permissions were given to use English for some parts. Something of note is that when you first come in the priest may immediately bless you or wait for “Bless me, Father, for I have sinned.” This is still taught to children making their first confession, even though priests do not generally bless the penitent anymore. Most likely, the priest will say the blessing only after you ask for it (Dominus sit in corde tuo, etc.). Though some do this silently, you are better off waiting to be sure before you say how long it’s been since your last confession and what your sins are. Here are the words used in the traditional rite, followed by the English translation (so much more beautiful and efficacious than what you are used to):

Dominus noster Jesus Christus te absolvat; et ego auctoritate ipsius te absolvo ab omni vinculo excommunicationis (suspensionis [if you are a cleric]) et interdicti in quantum possum et tu indiges. Deinde, ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.

Passio Domini nostri Jesu Christi, merita Beatæ Mariæ Virginis et omnium sanctorum, quidquid boni feceris vel mali sustinueris sint tibi in remissionem peccatorum, augmentum gratiæ et præmium vitæ æternæ.

May our Lord Jesus Christ absolve you; and by His authority I absolve you from every bond of excommunication, [suspension,] and interdict, so far as my power allows and your needs require. Thereupon, I absolve you of your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

May the Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the merits of the Blessed Virgin Mary and of all the saints obtain for you that whatever good you do or whatever evil you bear might merit for you the remission of your sins, the increase of grace and the reward of everlasting life.

Keep in mind that the priest may begin immediately saying the Dominus noster, etc., aloud while you are saying your act of contrition. In this case, you are best off just saying it silently to yourself. The first experience in a traditional confessional (and not only because of the rite) is very much like the first experience of the traditional Mass–very beautiful and something that will stay with you.

Great Post!!!

 

[baltobetsy]

Here are the words used in the traditional rite, followed by the English translation (so much more beautiful and efficacious than what you are used to):

Not more efficacious. The effect is the same, no matter which form of absolution is used.

 

[SenorSalsa]

Would the penitent (prior to any reforms) have said the Act of Contrition in Latin, or in the Vernacular?

 

[dostoyevskyfan]

Integra or someone else know where I can find an audio track with how to pronounce the latin form of confession? I never learned the language and still have to follow along in my missal during mass.

How often do you all go and when?

I usually go on Saturday. I’m not sure if confession is offered before the tridentine mass in my area. I’ve never received absolution in Latin. I unfortunately fall into mortal sin usually by the end of every week. Seems like it would be easier to go right before mass in case I screw up on Saturday night…

 

[Revs96]

“Novus Ordo” and “TLM” are forms of the Mass, not forms of Catholicism. There is permission to use the 1962 Missal, but confession is not in the 1962 Missal. There is no Novus Ordo Poenitentialis. There have been changes to the form of the sacramental rite, but I don’t know of any permission that’s been granted to use outdated forms.

That’s not true. Every ceremony that a priest can perform is in the Missal, Breviary, or Ritual. Summorum Pontificum gives the faithful the right to the sacraments using the pre-Vatican II ceremonies, thus all three of the above mentioned books are perfectly licit and any priest can choose to use them and should use them when members of the faithful request it.

As far as the rite of Confession goes in the traditional form, it is quite different from the “Novus Ordo Poenitentialis” which does indeed exist. In the EF, the priest and penitent make the sign of the cross. Then the penitent says the Confiteor, using the same words the server uses at Mass in the 1962 Missal. The penitent has the option of using a shorter form of the same prayer which is “Confiteor Deo omnipotenti et tibi pater.” The penitent also has the option of saying either form in the vernacular. This is the only prayer the penitent needs to know, he has one thing to memorize: “I confess to almighty God and to you father.” That’s it. Next the penitent states his/her sins (in the vernacular) and the priest gives him/her advice and a penance (in the vernacular). then the priest says the prayers that follow the Confiteor (the Misereatur and Indulgentiam) in Latin followed by the prayer of absolution in Latin which is different from the OF:

“Dominus noster Jesus Christus te absolvat; et ego auctoritate ipsius te absolvo ab omni vinculo excommunicationis (suspensionis) et interdicti in quantum possum et tu indiges. Deinde, ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis in nomine Patris, et Filii, + et Spiritus Sancti.”

Meaning:
“May our Lord Jesus Christ absolve you. And I by His authority release you from every bond of excommunication (suspension) and interdict, in so far as I am empowered and you have need. And now I absolve you from your sins; in the name of the Father, and of the Son, + and of the Holy Spirit.”

The word “suspensionis” is only used when the penitent is a priest. The penitent responds “Amen” and the priest dismisses him/her with a specific prayer of blessing.

 

[malphono]

“Novus Ordo” and “TLM” are forms of the Mass, not forms of Catholicism. There is permission to use the 1962 Missal, but confession is not in the 1962 Missal. There is no Novus Ordo Poenitentialis

. There have been changes to the form of the sacramental rite, but I don’t know of any permission that’s been granted to use outdated forms.

That’s not true. Every ceremony that a priest can perform is in the Missal, Breviary, or Ritual. Summorum Pontificum gives the faithful the right to the sacraments using the pre-Vatican II ceremonies, thus all three of the above mentioned books are perfectly licit and any priest can choose to use them and should use them when members of the faithful request it.

Thanks, Revs96, for pointing that out. You beat me to it!

Let me add that, for the very same reasons you mentioned, I find the expression “outdated forms” to be rather out of place.

 

[Ockham]

Thanks, Revs96, for pointing that out. You beat me to it!

Let me add that, for the very same reasons you mentioned, I find the expression “outdated forms” to be rather out of place.

+3

The EF sacrament of Marriage is different too. I suspect many other rites are different such as consecration of a church. The Novus Ordo is a simplified liturgy and most other rites attached to it follow that course.

 

[MarkThompson]

+3

The EF sacrament of Marriage is different too. I suspect many other rites are different such as consecration of a church. The Novus Ordo is a simplified liturgy and most other rites attached to it follow that course.

Revs96 is right about the other sacraments. I’d glanced at SP, but I should have looked harder, as indeed it says, “The pastor, having attentively examined all aspects, may also grant permission to use the earlier ritual for the administration of the Sacraments of Baptism, Marriage, Penance, and the Anointing of the Sick, if the good of souls would seem to require it.”

However, the Novus Ordo Missae is a new order for the Mass, not a new order for Catholicism, so it does not govern the other sacraments (except, I suppose as they may happen occur in the context of the Mass). Pace Revs96, I stand by my view that there is no “Novus Ordo Poenitentialis.”

Also, as you should know, the Mass of Paul VI is in some respects simplified from the vetus ordo (prayers at the foot of the altar omitted, various repetitions stricken, etc.) and in other ways enlarged (additional readings on most Sundays and solemnities, various additional forms for doing things, and so on). You can criticize the proliferation of anaphorae, for example, but not on the basis that it “ovresimplifies” matters.

 

[Ockham]

Are you saying the Novus Ordo is not simpler than the Usus Antiquor?

 

[preV2tradcath]

This is from Summorum Pontificum. Note it mentions the Sacrament of Penance.

Art. 9. 1 The pastor, having attentively examined all aspects, may also grant permission to use the earlier ritual for the administration of the Sacraments of Baptism, Marriage, Penance, and the Anointing of the Sick, if the good of souls would seem to require it. 2 Ordinaries are given the right to celebrate the Sacrament of Confirmation using the earlier Roman Pontifical, if the good of souls would seem to require it. 2 Clerics ordained “in sacris constitutis” may use the Roman Breviary promulgated by Bl. John XXIII in 1962.

 

[MarkThompson]

Are you saying the Novus Ordo is not simpler than the Usus Antiquor?

I said it is “in some respects simplified . . . and in other ways enlarged.” Seems obvious enough, by the examples I gave; don’t you agree?

 

[Ockham]

I said it is “in some respects simplified . . . and in other ways enlarged.” Seems obvious enough, by the examples I gave; don’t you agree?

No I don’t. In my opinion the NO is a simplified liturgy. Sure it adds a Scripture reading and two additional cycle years, but overall the theme is simpler, open, supper vs sacrifice, less reverance more community interaction. Do we need to put the two side by side for you?

 

[MarkThompson]

No I don’t. In my opinion the NO is a simplified liturgy. Sure it adds a Scripture reading and two additional cycle years, but overall the theme is simpler, open, supper vs sacrifice, less reverance more community interaction. Do we need to put the two side by side for you?

Good, in the future when people complain that all the canons and anaphorae, Masses for children, Masses for special needs, etc., etc., plus various options for the penitential rite, etc., in the new form are a ridiculous proliferation of way too many choices, I’ll send them to you to explain how all these options in the new form actually simplify the complexities of the old form!