How does Confession in the "Tridentine Rite" go

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Good, in the future when people complain that all the canons and anaphorae, Masses for children, Masses for special needs, etc., etc., plus various options for the penitential rite, etc., in the new form are a ridiculous proliferation of way too many choices, I’ll send them to you to explain how all these options in the new form actually simplify the complexities of the old form! 😉
I never said that there isn’t a multitude of options, novelties, or abuses in the OF just that whatever the Mass of the day may be it’s simpler than the EF. In this regard the OF is like a box of chocolates.
 
Keep in mind that the priest may begin immediately saying the Dominus noster, etc., aloud while you are saying your act of contrition. In this case, you are best off just saying it silently to yourself. The first experience in a traditional confessional (and not only because of the rite) is very much like the first experience of the traditional Mass–very beautiful and something that will stay with you.
thank you for this info. I experienced an almost traditional confession years ago. While I was saying the Act of Contrition, the priest said something in Latin. The priest is not a Filipino.

It is one of my memorable confessions I have made.
 
Not more efficacious. The effect is the same, no matter which form of absolution is used.
More efficacious with regard to the graces you actually receive, the increase of the contrition in your soul from the beauty and sacrality of the rite, etc., all of which depend upon one’s personal dispositions. Regarding whether your sins are forgiven, of course, it is the same, for that is ex opere operato. For the rest, you only receive as much grace as you are disposed to receive.
Would the penitent (prior to any reforms) have said the Act of Contrition in Latin, or in the Vernacular?
SenorSalsa, it would have been in the vernacular ordinarily, but clerics may have made their confessions in Latin in some instances. I know of this being done even to this day. Also, if you were traveling and happened to know Latin and not the native language (especially in the East), then you could make use of this, but ordinarily for the faithful at least, confessions would be in the vernacular, including the act of contrition. It is important to note that there is nothing calling for the penitent to make an act of contrition in the ritual. It is just something that is customary. I also am told that many Irish priests (before the council) would tell the penitent simply to make his act of contrition in the pew after the absolution. This is in keeping with the rubrics of the ritual, which allow the form to be shortened for just cause (huge lines, etc.) In addition to what I already posted, the ritual does call for the priest to say the Misereatur tui & Indulgentiam (as he says after the server’s confiteor at the prayers at the foot of the altar or before holy communion–because technically the first time he uses the first personal plural in the Indulgentiam–except in the singular), which implies that the penitent would have said the Confiteor (not an act of contrition). In this case, it seems most fitting to do so in Latin, if you know it, and that is what I generally do if there is no one waiting or only a short line and a long confession time. In the Fr. Lasance missal there is an explanation for how he recommends this be done, though he says to do so in the vernacular. I would assume that those who did not serve Mass probably did not know the Latin version for the most part. He says to say the Confiteor through the “mea maxima culpa,” confess sins, then after the priest asks any pertinent questions and assigns your penance, you say the rest of the prayer (basically where you would generally say the act of contrition now). There are surely other ways to do it, but that is his recommendation. Again, there’s nothing in the ritual that explicitly speaks to this point that I’m aware of.
ntegra or someone else know where I can find an audio track with how to pronounce the latin form of confession? I never learned the language and still have to follow along in my missal during mass.
dostoyevskyfan,

I would be happy to write out a phonetic spelling of it, if you’d like, though I’m unfamiliar with any audio recordings. I looked on YouTube, and this was the best I could find: youtube.com/watch?v=o_w1CFeXjwE. At the very end, the priest says “Ego te absolvo in nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti.” He leaves out “a peccatis tuis” after absolvo, but it’s something, at least, and as an aside, the only absolutely necessary words for validity (according to Trent) are “te absolvo” because this implies “a peccatis tuis”; of course, ego is just emphatic and unnecessary to the meaning of absolvo. The sign of the cross is not necessary for validity, since it doesn’t refer to the nature of the effect of the Sacrament, as at Baptism. Of course, the movie portrays the Sacrament entirely incorrectly and much more so does it bastardize the proper way to confess one’s sins.

Concerning frequency of receiving the Sacrament, it is a good thing to go every week or at least every couple weeks. I don’t see how someone can exempt himself for over a month without cause and still claim to be attempting to lead an interior life. Fortunately, at my FSSP parish we have confessions before every Mass both during the week and on Sunday. Either priest would be happy to hear someone’s confession upon request, of course, too.
 
More efficacious with regard to the graces you actually receive, the increase of the contrition in your soul from the beauty and sacrality of the rite, etc., all of which depend upon one’s personal dispositions. Regarding whether your sins are forgiven, of course, it is the same, for that is ex opere operato. For the rest, you only receive as much grace as you are disposed to receive.
Where do you come up with these ideas?
 
Where do you come up with these ideas?
De gratia. Pick up a dogmatic theology textbook.

Since you seem to like St. John Cantius, why don’t you ask one of the priests there? I’m sure they’ll also tell you that the amount of grace you receive in a Sacrament depends upon your dispositions. If this weren’t the case, we’d all be saints from receiving holy Communion one time.
 
I also am told that many Irish priests (before the council) would tell the penitent simply to make his act of contrition in the pew after the absolution. This is in keeping with the rubrics of the ritual, which allow the form to be shortened for just cause (huge lines, etc.)
It was I who posted about the Irish priests telling us to say the act of contrition at the pew, but that was not only a pre-VII practice. I experienced it well into the 1990s and have no doubt that I could still find it in some places among older Irish clergy.
 
De gratia. Pick up a dogmatic theology textbook.

Since you seem to like St. John Cantius, why don’t you ask one of the priests there? I’m sure they’ll also tell you that the amount of grace you receive in a Sacrament depends upon your dispositions. If this weren’t the case, we’d all be saints from receiving holy Communion one time.
That wasn’t the question asked. The question was: where did you come up with the erroneous opinion that the older form of Confession itself was more efficacious than the current form of Confession (all other things such as dispositions being equal)?
 
Integra or someone else know where I can find an audio track with how to pronounce the latin form of confession? I never learned the language and still have to follow along in my missal during mass.
Here is a written description of ecclesiastical Latin pronunciation: preces-latinae.org/thesaurus/Introductio/Pronunciatio.html

There is more than one way to pronounce Latin, so you need to look for ecclesiastical Latin. Memoria Press publishes Latin teaching materials using this pronunciation and they are accompanied by CDs: memoriapress.com/descriptions/index_latin.htm

The Family of St. Jerome, a Catholic group for the promotion of Latin, also has many Latin materials available including CDs of Latin using ecclesiastical pronunciation:hieronymus.us.com/Venalia/IndEngl.htm

I’m not sure if either of these sources has the specific prayer you are looking for, but once you learn how to pronounce, you can apply it to any prayer.
 
From the St. John Cantius Website, specifically, cantius.org/go/sacraments/category/penance_confession/ :

How to make one’s Confession
Bless me, Father, for I have sinned.
I confess to God Almighty and to you, Father.
It has been ___________ (days, weeks, months, years) since my last confession.
I have received absolution and performed* (not performed)* my penance.
*
Then you tell your sins. All mortal sins must be confessed in order to make a good confession. Venial sins may be confessed, and it is a very beneficial to do so on a spiritual level. When you have finished, add:*
For these and all the sins that I can’t remember, and all the sins of my past life (you can specify one or another), I ask pardon of God and penance and absolution of you, Father.*
The priest then may give you some words of advise and he gives you a penance. Then you say your act of contrition.*
An act of Contrition
O my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee and I detest all my sins because I dread the loss of heaven and the pains of hell but most of all because they offend Thee, my God, who art so good and deserving of all my love. I firmly resolve, with the help of thy grace, to confess my sins, to do penance and to amend my life. Amen.
*
The priest gives the absolution.*
*
Before leaving, say to the priest:*
Thank you, Father.
 
That wasn’t the question asked. The question was: where did you come up with the erroneous opinion that the older form of Confession itself was more efficacious than the current form of Confession (all other things such as dispositions being equal)?
It’s not an erroneous opinion it’s just one that you are unfamiliar with - for an explanation listen to Fr. Rippberger’s FSSP sermon found here starting at the 12:00 minute mark.

sensustraditionis.org/webaudio/Sermons/Disk8/Confession.mp3

The audio is ‘penanceware’ meaning you need to say a prayer or make a sacrifice for the intention of Fr. Rippberger in exchange for listening to the audio.
 
The audio is ‘penanceware’ meaning you need to say a prayer or make a sacrifice for the intention of Fr. Rippberger in exchange for listening to the audio.
That is the best idea ever. I’ve loved it since the first time I saw it. Smart way to get prayers AND make people holy.😉
 
That wasn’t the question asked. The question was: where did you come up with the erroneous opinion that the older form of Confession itself was more efficacious than the current form of Confession (all other things such as dispositions being equal)?
Oh, that’s not an erroneous opinion. That’s just a fact. The rite itself is much more beautiful and expresses the nature of the sacrament much better.
 
Oh, that’s not an erroneous opinion. That’s just a fact. The rite itself is much more beautiful and expresses the nature of the sacrament much better.
The Sacrament either remits your sins or it doesn’t. “‘The whole power of the sacrament of Penance consists in restoring us to God’s grace and joining us with him in an intimate friendship.’(Roman Catechism, II, V, 18.) Reconciliation with God is thus the purpose and effect of this sacrament.” (CCC 1468)

To claim that the Sacrament under the current form will not forgive sins (which is what your claim ultimately states) is a gross error.
 
The Sacrament either remits your sins or it doesn’t. “‘The whole power of the sacrament of Penance consists in restoring us to God’s grace and joining us with him in an intimate friendship.’(Roman Catechism, II, V, 18.) Reconciliation with God is thus the purpose and effect of this sacrament.” (CCC 1468)

To claim that the Sacrament under the current form will not forgive sins (which is what your claim ultimately states) is a gross error.
I explicitly stated in my first response that either form is valid. In fact, I mentioned that the only necessary words are “absolvo te.” Very, very little is necessary for validity.

As the Roman Catechism states very clearly: “joining us with him in an intimate friendship.” The varying degrees of contrition make one more or less close to God in friendship. The same idea exists in the CCC quote. The “amount” of reconciliation is dependent upon the individual’s dispositions. This is obvious, for we all know that there is such a thing as perfect and imperfect contrition. There are varying degrees of contrition and therefore varying degrees of reconciliation. One may come out of the confessional with less, equal, or even more merit than he had before he fall from grace. We see this in the holy penitents, who after their fall actually repented and had an even greater hatred for sin than before they fell. Just as the entirety of temporal punishment is remitted by perfect contrition, the closer one’s contrition is to perfect, the more his temporal punishment is remitted.
 
As the Roman Catechism states very clearly: “joining us with him in an intimate friendship.” The varying degrees of contrition make one more or less close to God in friendship. The same idea exists in the CCC quote. The “amount” of reconciliation is dependent upon the individual’s dispositions. This is obvious, for we all know that there is such a thing as perfect and imperfect contrition. There are varying degrees of contrition and therefore varying degrees of reconciliation. One may come out of the confessional with less, equal, or even more merit than he had before he fall from grace. We see this in the holy penitents, who after their fall actually repented and had an even greater hatred for sin than before they fell. Just as the entirety of temporal punishment is remitted by perfect contrition, the closer one’s contrition is to perfect, the more his temporal punishment is remitted.
True, very true. The graces received from any Sacrament depends on the disposition of the recipient. But that has nothing to do with what form is used. One can just as easily be completely unrepentant going to Confession according to the older form and one can be in a state of perfect contrition going to Confession according to the current form.
 
One can just as easily be completely unrepentant going to Confession according to the older form and one can be in a state of perfect contrition going to Confession according to the current form.
That is true but does not follow from:
True, very true. The graces received from any Sacrament depends on the disposition of the recipient. But that has nothing to do with what form is used.
Yes, it’s possible that someone’s dispositions can be contrary to what is fostered by either rite (i.e., unrepentant). It is possible that one’s dispositions for contrition are not affected by the rite (i.e., equally contrite with either form). That does not change the fact that the traditional form better expresses the nature of what is happening, makes more deprecatory prayer for the penitent, raises the mind to higher things, is more dignified, etc.

This is true of all the Sacraments before they were changed. Such an opinion is generally held by anyone who has studied the Sacraments and is even recognized by lay persons or even heretics. It is more obvious with the Mass (i.e., Agatha Christie’s petition to keep the traditional Mass in London even from the very first days the Novus Ordo was implemented), of course, but the same principles apply in the confessional or with the other Sacraments. If you don’t want to take my word for it, just read them side-by-side. Your sensus catholicus should confirm this for you with each Sacrament.
 
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