How does God bring good out of evil: When a 5 year old girl is raped and murdered?

[Vico]

Vico:

A person has a responsibility for the sins committed by others when there was cooperation in them through direct voluntary participation, or by direct voluntary approval.

You are saying that unless you cooperated in the sin, you have no responsibility in the sin?

Moral evil is a privation of conformity to right reason and to the law of God. An objective moral evil is a material sin when a person does it either without knowledge that it is wrong, or under duress and without internal consent to the evil whereas formal actual sin is committed through a free personal act or omission of the individual will.

You concur certain acts are immoral?

Broadly speaking, negligent ignorance is also cooperation. But ignorance, inadvertence, duress, fear, habit, attachment, and some other psychological factor or social factor can reduce or eliminate responsibility.

Some acts are immoral; acting contrary to established norms of behavior.

 

[minux]

Broadly speaking, negligent ignorance is also cooperation. But ignorance, inadvertence, duress, fear, habit, attachment, and some other psychological factor or social factor can reduce or eliminate responsibility.

Do you concur/non-concur with the following: unless you personally cooperated in the sin, you have no responsibility in the sin?

 

[Vico]

Vico:

Broadly speaking, negligent ignorance is also cooperation. But ignorance, inadvertence, duress, fear, habit, attachment, and some other psychological factor or social factor can reduce or eliminate responsibility.

Do you concur/non-concur with the following: unless you personally cooperated in the sin, you have no responsibility in the sin?

There is no responsibility for actual sin (not original sin) when one has not voluntarily operated or cooperated, which includes to voluntarily: participate, order, advise, praise, approve, protect, not disclose when obliged, not oppose when obliged.

 

[minux]

There is no responsibility for actual sin (not original sin) when one has not voluntarily operated or cooperated, which includes to voluntarily: participate, order, advise, praise, approve, protect, not disclose when obliged, not oppose when obliged.

That is dogmatically incorrect.

 

[Vico]

Vico:

There is no responsibility for actual sin (not original sin) when one has not voluntarily operated or cooperated, which includes to voluntarily: participate, order, advise, praise, approve, protect, not disclose when obliged, not oppose when obliged.

That is dogmatically incorrect.

You can read what the Catechism states, maybe I did not phrase it correctly:

Catechism:

1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover, we have a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them :
- by participating directly and voluntarily in them;
- by ordering, advising, praising, or approving them;
- by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;
- by protecting evil-doers.

1869 Thus sin makes men accomplices of one another and causes concupiscence, violence, and injustice to reign among them. Sins give rise to social situations and institutions that are contrary to the divine goodness. “Structures of sin” are the expression and effect of personal sins. They lead their victims to do evil in their turn. In an analogous sense, they constitute a "social sin."144

 

[minux]

by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;

• by protecting evil-doers.

1869 Thus sin makes men accomplices of one another and causes concupiscence, violence, and injustice to reign among them. Sins give rise to social situations and institutions that are contrary to the divine goodness. “Structures of sin” are the expression and effect of personal sins. They lead their victims to do evil in their turn. In an analogous sense, they constitute a "social sin."144

In other words, you, actually, do concur with the following: when someone sins, you have a personal responsibility in that sin?

This came up in my spiritual exercises today, but I would highly recommend reading/viewing the following before you respond again: True Wisdom and the self beyond ego - YouTube

 

[Dorothy]

I still think it still is best not to speculate on what God’s intentions are especially when it comes to difficult circumstances. Our limited intellectual capacity does not even compare to God’s omniscience so we often end up being wrong on our speculations.

Amen! Our finite, fallen minds cannot comprehend the infinite Love and perfect plan of God.

 

[Vico]

Vico:

by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so;

• by protecting evil-doers.

1869 Thus sin makes men accomplices of one another and causes concupiscence, violence, and injustice to reign among them. Sins give rise to social situations and institutions that are contrary to the divine goodness. “Structures of sin” are the expression and effect of personal sins. They lead their victims to do evil in their turn. In an analogous sense, they constitute a "social sin."144

In other words, you, actually, do concur with the following: when someone sins, you have a personal responsibility in that sin?

This came up in my spiritual exercises today, but I would highly recommend reading/viewing the following before you respond again:

No, your statement is too general.

We should be always cautious to watch our intentions and indifference. Matthew 25:31-46

 

[minux]

Then, I leave you with the following: “Freedom characterizes properly human acts. It makes the human being responsible for acts of which he is the voluntary agent. His deliberate acts properly belong to him.”

 

[Francis]

I still think it still is best not to speculate on what God’s intentions are especially when it comes to difficult circumstances. Our limited intellectual capacity does not even compare to God’s omniscience so we often end up being wrong on our speculations.

Mother Angelica would say we sheep are so dumb ! Isaiah 64:8 Yet, O Lord, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you are our potter;we are all the work of your hand. Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways my ways, says the Lord.

 

[Dorothy]

I agree!

The first paragraph is from Sarcelle, which I agreed with.

So we all agree!

 

[Athanasiy]

Once, nomads attacked the Ukrainian steppes. They burned crops, killed men, took women and children into slavery. This led to the fact that the peasants began to build an army, and the army became more formidable.
Cowardly steppe peasants have changed into fearless warriors, who themselves could sometimes come to the aid of even other nations.
I think the tragic example of which you mentioned will serve a variety of actions and changes in society, (psychologists, law enforcement, parents’ vigilance) that can prevent such incidents in the future with others.
The child got a thorny path and a cross, but God’s mercy has the power to heal and miraculously help to live with faith and hope.