How does one go about switching Rites

[ProudPapa1988]

Perhaps Maronites do it differently but my understanding with the Byzantine tradition is that most likely one’s RC Bishop will not let someone switch canonical rites if their only reason was preference since there is nothing stopping them from fully living out their life in an Eastern parish without switching rites. Most Byzantine Bishops would be wary of Roman Catholics trying to change rites. Especially married men as they would likely suspect they are just trying to pursue the priesthood.

 

[Angel_Gabriel]

Nope, I know several people (myself and my family included) who have switched purely out of love for Eastern theology and liturgy. I would argue that it’s probably the main reason people do switch…at least in the US. Both the RC and Eastern Bishop had no issues with it and the process went fairly quickly (about a month.)

 

[ProudPapa1988]

Well then you were part of the exception, not the rule. It wasn’t that long ago that it was forbidden for Roman Catholics to change rites since we are already part of the “mother” Church.

 

[RyanBlack]

Well then you were part of the exception, not the rule. It wasn’t that long ago that it was forbidden for Roman Catholics to change rites since we are already part of the “mother” Church.

I don’t think what she described is exceptional anymore. Rather, what she has described seems to have become rather normal, at least in the USA.

 

[dochawk]

Perhaps Maronites do it differently but my understanding with the Byzantine tradition is that most likely one’s RC Bishop will not let someone switch canonical rites if their only reason was preference since there is nothing stopping them from fully living out their life in an Eastern parish without switching rites.

This is simply incorrect. While there might be individual renegade bishops behaving uncharitably in this manner, this is simply not the case.

Yes, you can live out your life in the other without changing formally, but there are no such barriers as you suspect.

Most Byzantine Bishops would be wary of Roman Catholics trying to change rites. Especially married men as they would likely suspect they are just trying to pursue the priesthood.

Again, no.

Please note the calendar–it is 2018, not 1958.

As the bishop has no obligation to ordain anyone, even after graduation from his own seminary, this doesn’t make sense.

Furthermore, the notion a bishop turning down a serious candidate for ordination is mind-blowing. In most of the world (everywhere but Africa, the Philippines, and Slovenia, AFAIK), there is a need for more priests than the population is generating.

Currently, US byzantine bishops are eagerly importing freshly ordained priests from a Slovenian seminary–and every last one of them is married. These priests are also willing to serve in other Byzantine rites, as in the case of the one across town from me.

Until the last couple of years, there was an impediment to a married man who had been baptized being ordained in a byzantine church in the diaspora, but +Frances appears to have completely eliminated that. I personally know of at least one that is being eyed by the clergy and bishop for such ordination . . .

And even while the diaspora was prohibited from ordaining married men . . . in the 1970s, the Melkites trained married US men, and then sent them back to Antioch, where they were ordained. They then came back to their home diocese “on loan” from the mother church.

Well then you were part of the exception, not the rule. It wasn’t that long ago that it was forbidden for Roman Catholics to change rites since we are already part of the “mother” Church.

Again, it’s 2018, and that attitude is long gone, as is that unwise rule.

The bottom line is that there is NO barrier to switching rites in the US today. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

hawk

 

[Angel_Gabriel]

Replace “he” with “she” and you are correct . Out of the 10 people I know who did a canonical transfer, only 1 switched b/c of heritage, the rest were out of love for the East.

 

[PeterT]

I know someone on Instagram who apparently switched rites and I asked this because I wanted to know if I could aswell

Don’t fall into the trap of treating your Catholic faith as a type of a consumer product (e.g. I choose prefer Brand B “Eastern Rite” because it appeals to me more than Brand A “Latin Rite”). Instead, try to discern where God wants you to be, not where YOU prefer to be.

 

[babochka]

Currently, US byzantine bishops are eagerly importing freshly ordained priests from a Slovenian seminary–and every last one of them is married

One minor correction to an otherwise excellent post - our bishops are bringing in a number of Slovak priests, not Slovenian.

Please note the calendar–it is 2018, not 1958.

Amen!

Until the last couple of years, there was an impediment to a married man who had been baptized being ordained in a byzantine church in the diaspora, but +Frances appears to have completely eliminated that. I personally know of at least one that is being eyed by the clergy and bishop for such ordination . . .

I personally know 5 married priests who were baptized into the Latin Rite, who are now serving in various Eastern Churches.

1970s, the Melkites trained married US men, and then sent them back to Antioch, where they were ordained. They then came back to their home diocese “on loan” from the mother church.

The Ukrainians were doing this, too. Moreso in Canada than the US, but it happened here.

 

[dochawk]

One minor correction to an otherwise excellent post - our bishops are bringing in a number of Slovak priests, not Slovenian.

dochawk:

oops

Can I plead that those “SL” words are rough on a Irishman? :crazy_face:

I personally know 5 married priests who were baptized into the Latin Rite, who are now serving in various Eastern Churches.

If I were 10 or 15 years younger . . . or if the changes had happened 10 or 15 years earlier . . . but getting ordained barely in time for retirement wouldn’t do much good . . .

The Ukrainians were doing this, too. Moreso in Canada than the US, but it happened here.

For reasons I don’t quite understand, the UCC in Canada wasn’t as constrained as the one in the US. But once the Melkites did it, defied Rome to say anything, and Rome stayed silent, the situation changed. Rather than “can we”, it became “how far can we go without Rome interfering” . . . so it had to stay low scale until recently.

hawk

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

Dude what, no

This was a response to someone saying that it couldn’t be done. I have wanted for a while to switch, it was only when this happened did I know that I actually COULD switch

 

[ChristMyLife]

As long as you’ve experienced it enough, and are involved with your eastern parish, it’s generally easily and quickly done.

It would be super easy for me…

My Roman Catholic Bishop is one of only like 5 Bishops in the entire Church who has bi-ritual faculties in both the Roman and Byzantine Rites.

 

[babochka]

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Can I plead that those “SL” words are rough on a Irishman? :crazy_face:

Only if you post a video of yourself pronouncing Irish names.

If I were 10 or 15 years younger . . . or if the changes had happened 10 or 15 years earlier . . . but getting ordained barely in time for retirement wouldn’t do much good . . .

Only if you actually plan to retire. Some priests retire from one career and embrace the priesthood late.

the UCC in Canada wasn’t as constrained as the one in the US.

I once heard a story that the first married Ukrainian priest ordained in Canada received a letter from the local Latin bishop, objecting to his ordination and ordering him to cease any public ministry. I am told that he framed the letter and keeps it on his wall to this day. His ministry continues.

 

[Margaret_Ann]

The correct Greek term is kecharitomene
κεχαριτωμένη which is translated in the Latin as gratia plena = full of grace.

Since God created Eve immaculate (the Fall doesn’t happen until Gen. 3), then why wouldn’t He do the same thing and even more for the Woman who was to crush the head of serpent by being the Ever-Virgin Mother of His Only-begotten Son?

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

I also agree, yeah I know I misspelled it sorry. Also the more correct translation means “past tense to have been full of and present tense to be full of and made perfect through grace” aka "to be perfected by grace

Another proving factor of the immaculate conception

 

[Margaret_Ann]

“Kecharitomene , the perfect passive participle, shows a completeness with a permanent result . Kecharitomene denotes continuance of a completed action (H. W. Smyth, Greek Grammar [Harvard Univ Press, 1968], p. 108-109, sec 1852:b; also Blass and DeBrunner, p. 175).”

Source: biblicalcatholic dot com.

 

[dochawk]

It would be super easy for me…

My Roman Catholic Bishop is one of only like 5 Bishops in the entire Church who has bi-ritual faculties in both the Roman and Byzantine Rites.

Faculties aren’t the same as being the bishop whose permission is needed–and he can’t possibly be both for the same person!

Only if you post a video of yourself pronouncing Irish names.

That’s easy, we’ve anglicized most of them (although I can’t get the extra quarter syllable in “Corcoran” right; I end up with at least a half-syllable . . .) . And all those silent “augh” at the ends of words are a good place to start correct pronunciation . . .

Only if you actually plan to retire. Some priests retire from one career and embrace the priesthood late.

I won’t be able to retire early enough for that And I don’t realistically see myself working into my 70s . . .

I once heard a story that the first married Ukrainian priest ordained in Canada received a letter from the local Latin bishop, objecting to his ordination and ordering him to cease any public ministry. I am told that he framed the letter and keeps it on his wall to this day. His ministry continues.

:heavy_heart_exclamation:

hawk