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How does one know if the Holy Spirit or (Holy Ghost) leads us to the truth versus a fallen spirit that will lead us away from the truth. Therefore without our knowledge; change our faith and the foundation we build it on.
 
I think that is an excellent question. I believe that I am created by God. All of me, my mind, spirit, emotions, intellect etc… So when the holy Spirit moves me towards Jesus Christ, he will not simply be working with my emotions (giving me a “feel good” burning in the bosom that somehow ‘proves’ the truth of Christ being the Son of God, and the Catholic Church being His Church).

The holy Spirit effects all of my humanity in order to lead me to Christ. He moves my emotions, my will, my intellect etc…

How do I know the Catholic Church is true? From a philosophical standpoint because only the Catholic Church can make sense out of reality as I perceive it. From a theological viewpoint because God has called me by name. From a historical viewpoint because I see God act in history, particularly in the resurrection of Jesus Christ (no other explanation I have seen can account for all the facts surrounding Jesus’ death and resurrection). From an emotional standpoint, because I am in love with God, and experience his love for me in the Sacraments, particularly in the blessed Eucharist and the sacrament of penance, whenever I have offended Him.

From a personal viewpoint, I see how God has acted in my life, immediate answers to prayers when it was nessecary. I recognize the still voice that told me “don’t believe it” when I was told that God and man are the same species. For as long as I can remember, I despised the doctrine of eternal progression (the idea that God started out as a man and became God, and that I could become “God” as well), and I loved my Bible above all other books. I remember my father complaining that I read the Bible too much, and the book of Mormon to little when I was a teenager.

I believe that Jesus has met me, all of me, not just one part (like my emotions), and he has convinced me of His truth on all levels.

It is truly a difficult question to answer. Unless you have experienced the same, it may not make much sense.

Vidar
 
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Vidar:
I think that is an excellent question. I believe that I am created by God. All of me, my mind, spirit, emotions, intellect etc… Agree! So when the holy Spirit moves me towards Jesus Christ, he will not simply be working with my emotions (giving me a “feel good” burning in the bosom that somehow ‘proves’ the truth of Christ being the Son of God, and the Catholic Church being His Church).

The holy Spirit effects all of my humanity in order to lead me to Christ. He moves my emotions, my will, my intellect etc…

How do I know the Catholic Church is true? From a philosophical standpoint because only the Catholic Church can make sense out of reality as I perceive it. From a theological viewpoint because God has called me by name. From a historical viewpoint because I see God act in history, particularly in the resurrection of Jesus Christ (no other explanation I have seen can account for all the facts surrounding Jesus’ death and resurrection). From an emotional standpoint, because I am in love with God, and experience his love for me in the Sacraments, particularly in the blessed Eucharist and the sacrament of penance, whenever I have offended Him.

From a personal viewpoint, I see how God has acted in my life, immediate answers to prayers when it was nessecary. I recognize the still voice that told me “don’t believe it” when I was told that God and man are the same species. For as long as I can remember, I despised the doctrine of eternal progression (the idea that God started out as a man and became God, and that I could become “God” as well), and I loved my Bible above all other books. I remember my father complaining that I read the Bible too much, and the book of Mormon to little when I was a teenager.

I believe that Jesus has met me, all of me, not just one part (like my emotions), and he has convinced me of His truth on all levels.

It is truly a difficult question to answer. Unless you have experienced the same, it may not make much sense.

Vidar
But how do you know if you wre not raised in a religious family that the Catholic Church is the right choice? I agree with many points, teachings etc. that Jews follow that Catholics follow and that Islam follows…how do you know wich faith/teaching is the right one???
 
Have you ever been truly in love?

How did you know?

Discern them all. Learn all you can about all of them FIRSTHAND. Do not rely on members of other churches to tell you what other religions believe. They will always put their own churches spin on it and half the time it’s flat-out wrong.

I believe that Mormons are Christian and bound for heaven. The Catholics dont. It’s a matter of definiation and faith.

I’m no longer LDS not because I buy what the Catholics teach about them, but because I feel closer to God in the Catholic church. That’s just me. The Catholic Church is right… for ME.

Find first your faith in God, then find the church that sustains and renews that faith, whether it be Catholic, LDS, Jewish or Muslim, we all believe in the SAME GOD OF ABRAHAM, and anything else is just a bad case of “daddy loves me best”.

It was Pope John Paul II that asked the question “Nevermind what the differences are, what are the similiarities?”

God Bless.

(p.s. Just stay away from the suicide cults and you’ll be okay 😉 )

# – Place God before Hubris and Love thy Neighbor no matter where they go to church.
 
Jo's_Dad:
Have you ever been truly in love?

How did you know?

Discern them all. Learn all you can about all of them FIRSTHAND. Do not rely on members of other churches to tell you what other religions believe. They will always put their own churches spin on it and half the time it’s flat-out wrong.

I believe that Mormons are Christian and bound for heaven. The Catholics dont. It’s a matter of definiation and faith.

I’m no longer LDS not because I buy what the Catholics teach about them, but because I feel closer to God in the Catholic church. That’s just me. The Catholic Church is right… for ME.

Find first your faith in God, then find the church that sustains and renews that faith, whether it be Catholic, LDS, Jewish or Muslim, we all believe in the SAME GOD OF ABRAHAM, and anything else is just a bad case of “daddy loves me best”.

It was Pope John Paul II that asked the question “Nevermind what the differences are, what are the similiarities?”

God Bless.

(p.s. Just stay away from the suicide cults and you’ll be okay 😉 )

# – Place God before Hubris and Love thy Neighbor no matter where they go to church.
What a great post! I agree! 🙂
 
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Karin:
But how do you know if you wre not raised in a religious family that the Catholic Church is the right choice? I agree with many points, teachings etc. that Jews follow that Catholics follow and that Islam follows…how do you know wich faith/teaching is the right one???
I was not raised Catholic. I was raised in the mormon church. I am a person that likes to go into detail. I do not have an opinion about anything without knowing why, and being able to defend it against critiscism. As a teenager and young adult, I dug deep into the history and theology of mormonism. The contradictions, the altered doctrines the historical facts that had been swept under the rug forced me to conclude that the church I grew up in was not what it claimed to be, even though I know many wonderful mormons.

When I investigated christianity (particularly the resurection of Jesus Christ) and later Catholicism, it proved a lot harder to refute. That alone is not sufficient to explain why I am Catholic. Put it is part of the story. Truth can be defended on all levels. It is not merely a matter of feeling good. I do not believe the proposition: “If you feel a strong burning in the bosom, it is true”. Truth may be accompanied my such feelings (I certainly have had many wonderful experiences with God after becoming a Christian and a Catholic), but such experiences alone are not sufficient to prove the truth of a religion. One must study, examine claims, read up on history.

I think being a mormon is much like being in love. Emotions sometimes renders one blind. Some men are so deeply in love with their wives that they look away from all evidence that proves they are cheating on them. Their powerful emotions tell them she is the most wonderful human being on earth. That she is pure, almost like the virgin Mary. And they will rationalize any evidence that demonstrates otherwise. That does not mean they are unintelligent. The more intelligent they are, the more complex rationalizations they are able to create.

To be honest, this is what I think FARMS and FAIR is all about. Rationalzing evidence that is damaging to mormon claims, while presenting all kinds of speculations as proof of the truth of the LDS church. This may be convincing to those who are already blinded by being in love with mormonism. It has however, left me unconvinced.
 
Really, this question is no different in ‘process’ than any other decision we make.

We become informed
Make the choice
Review the decision

Become informed-
A Faithfull person must first seek enlightenment, and establish communication with God. Prayer is an extremely important part of this as well as reading scripture and Church documentation. You many never feel confident in having “enough” knowledge, but the process will help familiarize you with all the Church resources. When questions do pop up later on, you will have the wealth of knowledge from the Church to use to answer your questions.

Practice the Faith is also part of ‘becoming informed’. Truly practicing Catholicism will offer you insights to much of the Faith. And if you are able to participate in the Sacraments, the Grace that is confered in the sacraments is invaluable to a healthy Faith.

Make the choice or Apply the knowledge-
This part of the equation deals with our internal struggles, and our mental and spiritual “working out the details”. We take the information from our studies, combined with the grace we recieve during the Sacraments and our frequent prayer- and COMBINE it with our earthly life. We infuse it into all parts of our lives and understand the philosophy of our Faith. At this point it should become obvious that few other religions can reach so completely into all aspects of our existence.

We can see Catholicism in a new light, and if we maintain our discipline of prayer and scripture study and Mass attendence- it seems to become clearer and clearer.

Review the decision-
This one is my favorite one because this is the step when I get nearly direct communication from God. Some people talk about God “speaking to them”. Well, I know this is the area where God speaks to me the most.

A similar question came up in another thread devoted to discerning God’s Will in our lives regarding children. The above philosophy applies to ALL Faithfull decision making, so I thought I’d copy a portion of my post here rather than reword the entire thought.

…[We] take “context clues” from life, to discern God’s Will in our life.

I do this too. I call them my “bell choir” (I know, protestantish- but I truly do almost hear the bells when my decisions “ring true” no pun intended.) 😛

There have been times when I’ve heard literal GONGS. And sometimes I struggle to hear the tiniest tinkling. But either way- I have always believed that the Holy Spirit finds wonderful humorous and creative ways of introducing me and guiding me on the path God wishes me to be on.

So, all that said, I agree with you. We need to remain open to those “context clues” you describe, for God often speaks to us subtley and creatively.

But we also need to make sure that these “context clues” ring true with our knowledge of our Faith, and with our prayerful life. I guess I prioritize the process this way:

Become informed on the issue:
  1. Marriage is creationary- God has set up marriage for us to offer children to Him and the world. This should be a priority over many “material” things. (Please note I said nothing of NECESSARY things).
Make your decision:
2. We need prayerfull and regular contemplation on the decision. I do not like to hear when couples have a blanket “NO MORE KIDS”. It doesn’t indicate an intent to seriously contemplate the decision again. This also indicates that their hearts and eyes might be closed to those subtle context clues we discussed earlier.

Review the Decision:
3. Finally, those context clues should reinforce that which we already know to be true. We decide- we just can’t afford a child right now- BAM, one of the other kids breaks an arm and another $4000 later… Well maybe no kids right now was prudent.

But then there’s the couple decided to remain open, had a moonlit tryst 😉 even though they have a large bill sitting on the kitchen counter- BAM, a rich relative dies and leaves them everything…

Yah, I know pretty unrealistic- but I think you know what I mean. 🙂

I guess to sum it all up, to me, any good decision follows this pattern.

God, Me, Holy Spirit.

I’m surrounded by God and am in His full embrace. How could it get any better?

I hope you see what I’m trying to convey here. The first step of discerning if Catholicism is for you is to decide to DO IT. There is no other way. And the first step to “doing” Catholicism is to become informed. Invite GOD into your life through prayer, practice and studies.

Then MAKE God a part of your life by inviting Him to work in all aspects- financial, familial, emotional, sexual, ALL ASPECTS.

After some time you WILL begin to notice the context clues described above. I hear them as my bell choir most often. I get a little “ring true” feeling when the decisions I make are correct and pleasing to God. Other times I will also get real life context clues where everything fits nicely into place- it doesn’t seem to be such a struggle.

:🤷: The minute details are different for everyone I’m sure.

Good luck.
 
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Karin:
But how do you know if you wre not raised in a religious family that the Catholic Church is the right choice? I agree with many points, teachings etc. that Jews follow that Catholics follow and that Islam follows…how do you know wich faith/teaching is the right one???
You ask God for the gift of faith. Catholics believe that one cannot have faith unless it is God given. Man cannot acheive it by himself. He cannot achieve it by studying, working or thinking. He can acheive it only by asking God for the gift of faith. God never refuses such a request. Once asked, one knows. Maybe in a day, or a week, or a month or even years. But the answer comes while living an everyday life.
 
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honeybear:
You ask God for the gift of faith. Catholics believe that one cannot have faith unless it is God given. Man cannot acheive it by himself. He cannot achieve it by studying, working or thinking. He can acheive it only by asking God for the gift of faith. God never refuses such a request. Once asked, one knows. Maybe in a day, or a week, or a month or even years. But the answer comes while living an everyday life.
Thank you …very helpful
 
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