How does one prove that the Church has the power to command feasts and holy days?

[colverpa]

How does one prove that the Church has the power to command feasts and holy days?

 

[liberational]

How does one prove that the Church has the power to do anything it claims the Christ given authority to do…would be a more accurate question?

I give you the keys…has many different interpretations, but Catholics hold that it gives them carte blanche to do as they wish and that they are infallible in the areas of faith and morals…immunity from error…not a bad power to give yourself.

 

[po18guy]

Pardon me, but this authority came from Christ. Open your bible to Matthew 16 and Matthew 18. It’s not spoken of much outside of the Catholic and Orthodox churches, because it does not square with the man-made tradition of sola scriptura. It came from Christ. There is no power outside of God, and God in Christ. Period. It is a complete shame that so many faith communities fail to see or experience this. Behold the Word of the Lord:

Matthew 16:19 “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

Matthew 18:18 “I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

These are the words of Christ - the power of Christ, given to men. Christ, being perfect, and knowing all in the past, present and future, gave this incredible power to the Apostles. He knew before He gave it to them what they would do with it. He still gave it to them. They passed it on to their successors. Do you believe Christ?

Also, please note that He used the word for “whatever”. In any dictionary, “whatever” encompasses a lot. Everything, in fact. Christ even gave them the authority to write Holy Scripture, and to compile it into a book.

All of this sounds strange to those who belong to recently formed faith communities that cannot trace directly back to Christ. Many can trace their founding to a particular man, Luther, for example, but the Catholic and Orthodox have a straight line directly back to Christ. Praise God in Heaven!

 

[liberational]

Yes and take a look at what other translations say, not quite so exact now is it…

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth SHALL HAVE been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth SHALL HAVE been loosed in heaven.

That means the binding takes place in heaven first and earth second.

Dogmatic absolutism traps itself into a corner of which there is no exit, the only choice is to press oneself deeper into the corner.

I do not believe in sola scriptura, your assumption is wrong. I simply believe the RCC’s monopoly over salvation is incorrect.

 

[po18guy]

Yes and take a look at what other translations say, not quite so exact now is it…

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth SHALL HAVE been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth SHALL HAVE been loosed in heaven.

That means the binding takes place in heaven first and earth second.

Dogmatic absolutism traps itself into a corner of which there is no exit, the only choice is to press oneself deeper into the corner.

I do not believe in sola scriptura, your assumption is wrong. I simply believe the RCC’s monopoly over salvation is incorrect.

Since God already knew what the Apostles would do with the power, was it not actually bound in Heaven first? Christ said it, therefore, it was bound in Heaven first. I don’t get what you are trying to say here. It’s a totally new twist on scripture, IMO.

If you believe in God, should you listen to Him? If He reveals the truth, should you believe it? If God founds a church, should you join it? If you disagree with the truth that God revealed, are you rally following Him? Deny yourself. Take up your cross daily. Then, and only then, follow Him.

It is clear that you are heavily biased against the Catholic, or universal, church. That is your right. It does not change the fact that Christ founded one church and gave it all authority. You don’t like that authority. You can point to abuses in the past, sinful members, leaders even, of the church. How does that affect the truth the church teaches?

If sinful members discredits a church, quit yours, because you have ruined it! If you seek sinners, look first to the Apostles. Christ chose them, each one. Why be Christian then?

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Yes and take a look at what other translations say, not quite so exact now is it…

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth SHALL HAVE been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth SHALL HAVE been loosed in heaven.

That means the binding takes place in heaven first and earth second.

Dogmatic absolutism traps itself into a corner of which there is no exit, the only choice is to press oneself deeper into the corner.

I do not believe in sola scriptura, your assumption is wrong. I simply believe the RCC’s monopoly over salvation is incorrect.

Ok so it’s bound and loosed in Heaven first. Doesn’t Christ have the ability through the Holy Spirit to be the cause of binding and loosing on earth?

Below are several versions of the Bible on Matthew 16:19:

Mat 16:19

(DRB) And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

(Etheridge) To thee will I give the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, shall be loosed in heaven.

(IGNT+) καιG2532 AND δωσωG1325 [G5692] I WILL GIVE σοιG4671 TO THEE ταςG3588 THE κλειςG2807 KEYS τηςG3588 OF THE βασιλειαςG932 KINGDOM τωνG3588 OF THE ουρανωνG3772 HEAVENS : καιG2532 AND οG3739 εανG1437 WHATEVER δησηςG1210 [G5661] THOU MAYEST BIND επιG1909 ON τηςG3588 THE γηςG1093 EARTH, εσταιG2071 [G5704] SHALL BE δεδεμενονG1210 [G5772] BOUND ενG1722 IN τοιςG3588 THE ουρανοιςG3772 HEAVENS; καιG2532 AND οG3739 εανG1437 WHATEVER λυσηςG3089 [G5661] THOU MAYEST LOOSE επιG1909 ON τηςG3588 THE γηςG1093 EARTH, εσταιG2071 [G5704] SHALL BE λελυμενονG3089 [G5772] LOOSED ενG1722 IN τοιςG3588 THE ουρανοιςG3772 HEAVENS.

(IGNT) και 2532[AND] δωσω 1325(5692)* σοι 4671[TO THEE] τας 3588[THE] κλεις 2807[KEYS] της 3588[OF THE] βασιλειας 932[KINGDOM] των 3588[OF THE] ουρανων 3772[HEAVENS :] και 2532[AND] ο 3739 εαν 1437[WHATEVER] δησης 1210(5661)[THOU MAYEST BIND] επι 1909[ON] της 3588[THE] γης 1093[EARTH,] εσται 2071(5704)[SHALL BE] δεδεμενον 1210(5772)[BOUND] εν 1722[IN] τοις 3588[THE] ουρανοις 3772[HEAVENS;] και 2532[AND] ο 3739 εαν 1437[WHATEVER] λυσης 3089(5661)[THOU MAYEST LOOSE] επι 1909[ON] της 3588[THE] γης 1093[EARTH,] εσται 2071(5704)[SHALL BE] λελυμενον 3089(5772)[LOOSED] εν 1722[IN] τοις 3588[THE] ουρανοις 3772[HEAVENS.]

(KJV+TVM) AndG2532 I will giveG1325 [G5692] unto theeG4671 the keysG2807 of the kingdomG932 of heavenG3772: andG2532 whatsoeverG3739 G1437 thou shalt bindG1210 [G5661] onG1909 earthG1093 shall beG2071 [G5704] boundG1210 [G5772] inG1722 heavenG3772: andG2532 whatsoeverG3739 G1437 thou shalt looseG3089 [G5661] onG1909 earthG1093 shall beG2071 [G5704] loosedG3089 [G5772] inG1722 heavenG3772.

(KJV+) AndG2532 I will giveG1325 unto theeG4671 theG3588 keysG2807 of theG3588 kingdomG932 of heaven:G3772 andG2532 whatsoeverG3739 G1437 thou shalt bindG1210 onG1909 earthG1093 shallG2071 be boundG1210 inG1722 heaven:G3772 andG2532 whatsoeverG3739 G1437 thou shalt looseG3089 onG1909 earthG1093 shall beG2071 loosedG3089 inG1722 heaven.G3772

(KJVA) And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

(Murdock) To thee will I give the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatever thou shalt bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven: and whatever thou shalt unbind on earth, shall be unbound in heaven.

(NJB) I will give you the keys of the kingdom of Heaven: whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.’

(RSV) I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." *

It’s one thing to privately interpret scriptures, it’s quite another to search for a version of the Bible to fit your personal interpretation.

May the peace of the Lord be with you,
Prodigal Son1

 

[po18guy]

2 Peter 1:19-20

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

Romans 14

5One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

7For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

8For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s.

Every Christian has the authority to recognise a day as holy unto the Lord.

 

[terryobrien80]

How does one prove that the Church has the power to command feasts and holy days?

Binding and loosing

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[Athanasiy]

Its In The Power Of The Church
But Reading The Thread , I Am Thinking About The Question ;

Is There No Problems With The Arranged Feasts Who Must Be Celebrated During The Working Week Days ?
Is There No Way To Settle Down The Calendar Which Lets The People Work During The Week And Celebrate The Feasts During The Days Off ( Saturday , Sunday ) ?

The Feasts Celebrations , Somewhere And In Some Ways Have The Tendency To Let The People Not To Work For A Three Four Days During The Week.
If To Calculate How Much The People Work During The Weeks , Months And Year , I Dare To Think About
Turning This Question To The Ather Question ;
The Question About The Church Feasts During The Working Week .