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Ddarko, I’d be interested to read whatever comments you may have on me showing the circularity of your main argument:
I mention your arrogance because I’m sick of theists saying that people who don’t agree with them (atheists) are arrogant. Sure, many individuals who do believe in a god and many individuals who don’t believe in a god are arrogant. However, it’s an extreme to say, “those who don’t believe in god (who is pro-slavery, pro-infanticide, and in favor of fathers selling their daughters as sex slaves) are arrogant and are going to be tortured forever in hell.”
Ddarko, you were using this circular argument the entire time. You failed to see the circularity of your position because you failed to consider the consequences of the way you defined “morality”. I tried to point this out to you many times, indicating that your position is circular, “morality” is an invention (which doesn’t diminish it’s importance), and tried to get you to reflect on what you meant by this word which you were throwing around. Instead of answering my questions right away, you arrogantly said “you’re stupid”, when in fact your underlying reasoning, when considering what you meant by “morality” (“Morality is God’s nature”, post 191) was circular all along.ddarko;7205615:
This argument wouldn’t work because if morality was “god’s” nature, and god did not exist, number two would be wrong. If something, such as morality (“Morality is God’s nature”, post 191), is defined as the nature of a being that doesn’t exist, then it doesn’t exist.I am just going to address you one last time because I really hope you can learn something.
The moral argument is as follows
Now there might be other things that you would want to validly argue about but if you see circular logic here, you get a FAIL in your logic.
- If God does not exists, objective morality does not exists
- Objective morality exists
- Therefore God exists
Thus, number two is only correct if “god” exists. This would be circular logic because the conclusion “god exists” is also a premise, which is the very definition of circular reasoning. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning
In other words, I could say:
1 If unicorns don’t exist, “unicorness” doesn’t exist
2 “unicorness” does exist
3 therefore unicorns exist
With how you’ve defined “morality” as “god’s” nature, this “logic” regarding the existence of unicorns is just as logical as what you presented.
I mention your arrogance because I’m sick of theists saying that people who don’t agree with them (atheists) are arrogant. Sure, many individuals who do believe in a god and many individuals who don’t believe in a god are arrogant. However, it’s an extreme to say, “those who don’t believe in god (who is pro-slavery, pro-infanticide, and in favor of fathers selling their daughters as sex slaves) are arrogant and are going to be tortured forever in hell.”