How does summorum pontificum effect diocesan priesthood

[Thepeug]

From Summorum Pontificum (emphasis mine):

Art. 2. In Masses celebrated without the people, each Catholic priest of the Latin rite, whether secular or regular, may use the Roman Missal published by Bl. Pope John XXIII in 1962, or the Roman Missal promulgated by Pope Paul VI in 1970, and may do so on any day with the exception of the Easter Triduum. For such celebrations, with either one Missal or the other, the priest *has no need for permission *from the Apostolic See or from his Ordinary.

Art. 5. § 1 In parishes, where there is a stable group of faithful who adhere to the earlier liturgical tradition, the pastor should willingly accept their requests to celebrate the Mass according to the rite of the Roman Missal published in 1962, and *ensure that the welfare of these faithful harmonises with the ordinary pastoral care of the parish, under the guidance of the bishop in accordance with canon 392, avoiding discord and favouring the unity of the whole Church. *

Art. 7. If a group of lay faithful, as mentioned in art. 5 õ 1, has not obtained satisfaction to their requests from the pastor, they should inform the diocesan bishop. The bishop is strongly requested to satisfy their wishes. If he cannot arrange for such celebration to take place, the matter should be referred to the Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei”.

Though I could very well be incorrect, it sounds to me as though, according to the motu proprio, a secular priest may privately celebrate either form at his own discretion. In a parish setting, however, celebrations of the extraordinary form must take place under the guidance of the bishop, and, as Biedrik has pointed out, in such a way as to avoid disunity or discord among the faithful.

My question, then, is: does “under the guidance of” mean “with the consent of”?

 

[Biedrik]

St. Thomas Aquinas defined the virtue of obedience as conforming one’s will to the will of one who has legitimate authority.

If the bishop is not the authority on a particular matter, then the conformation of one’s will to that would not be obedience. The corollary is that NOT conforming one’s will would not be disobedience.

A priest’s vow of obedience does not extent to following the bishop when he is disobedient to Rome.

Yet if a priest is ordered not to celebrate the EF, what is he to do? The bishop may be stepping outside of his authority, but the fact is that a priest may get into some serious trouble with his bishop if he doesn’t obey the order. And as Thepeug pointed out, it seems that the priest is only free to celebrate the EF without permission when he is in private. In a more public setting it seems the bishop can have some influence. How much I do not know, since it’s rather vague, but overall it seems that the priest isn’t totally free.

 

[Cricket17]

A brief anecdote. A very holy priest in my diocese, who is now ELDERLY, & still holy, continued to celebrate the Mass of Bl. John XXIII in his private quarters following the “reforms” of Vatican II. Throughout his priesthood he was known for the reverence with which he celebrated Mass in the Ordinary Form. When a “stable group” of parishioners from my church asked to have the older Form of the Mass re-instituted Msgr. S. was one of the first priests we contacted. He celebrates Mass for us about once a month (in addition to our young parochial vicar, who taught himself EF rubrics). Further, Msgr. S. has proven a valuable resource to others in the diocese–priests & layfolk–who wish to reap the “fullness” of their Catholic faith. A couple of lessons can be learned from this. First, to be Catholic is to take a long view of history. And finally, God never wastes any experience!

 

[Marie5890]

A brief anecdote. A very holy priest in my diocese, who is now ELDERLY, & still holy, continued to celebrate the Mass of Bl. John XXIII in his private quarters following the “reforms” of Vatican II. Throughout his priesthood he was known for the reverence with which he celebrated Mass in the Ordinary Form. When a “stable group” of parishioners from my church asked to have the older Form of the Mass re-instituted Msgr. S. was one of the first priests we contacted. He celebrates Mass for us about once a month (in addition to our young parochial vicar, who taught himself EF rubrics). Further, Msgr. S. has proven a valuable resource to others in the diocese–priests & layfolk–who wish to reap the “fullness” of their Catholic faith. A couple of lessons can be learned from this. First, to be Catholic is to take a long view of history. And finally, God never wastes any experience!

Cricket, that is delightful!
God bless that faithful servant of Our Lord. What a great blessing he has been in his obedience and his willingness to be patient and share!

 

[joe_cool]

From my VERY limited knowledge of the subject matter at hand:

From Redemptionis Sacramentum, Chapter V (Certain Other Matters Concerning the Eucharist), Section 2 (Various Circumstances Relating To The Mass)…

Paragraph 112:

Mass is celebrated either in Latin or in another language, provided that liturgical texts are used which have been approved according to the norm of the law. Except in the case of celebrations of the Mass that are scheduled by the ecclesiastical authorities to take place in the language of the people, priests are always and everywhere permitted to celebrate Mass in Latin.

Sounds like if your Bishop sets your Mass schedule… for those hours, you need to do an OF Mass. If you wish to do a Latin Mass at another hour, that’s entirely your right and option… you just can’t overrule your Bishop. If he says “OF at 10 and 12”…then nothing would stop you from offering a Latin mass at 2pm if I understand correctly… If you want an EF at 10, you’d have to levy your Bishop.

 

[Biedrik]

From my VERY limited knowledge of the subject matter at hand:

From Redemptionis Sacramentum, Chapter V (Certain Other Matters Concerning the Eucharist), Section 2 (Various Circumstances Relating To The Mass)…

Paragraph 112:

Mass is celebrated either in Latin or in another language, provided that liturgical texts are used which have been approved according to the norm of the law. Except in the case of celebrations of the Mass that are scheduled by the ecclesiastical authorities to take place in the language of the people, priests are always and everywhere permitted to celebrate Mass in Latin.

Sounds like if your Bishop sets your Mass schedule… for those hours, you need to do an OF Mass. If you wish to do a Latin Mass at another hour, that’s entirely your right and option… you just can’t overrule your Bishop. If he says “OF at 10 and 12”…then nothing would stop you from offering a Latin mass at 2pm if I understand correctly… If you want an EF at 10, you’d have to levy your Bishop.

I’m not sure that refers to the EF. It simply says “Mass in Latin”. The OF can be celebrated in Latin too. Here it seems to just be an issue of language, not of which liturgy the priest is using.