How far do you go to save someone from themselves?

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This might be kind of long so I’ll post the question up here.

How far should one go in attempting to save someone from their poor management of medical conditions? Do you force them to manage their conditions?

About 2 weeks ago my cousin died at the age of 36. One of the reasons I believe I’m able to almost be at peace with this is because I feel that I made a good effort to help him prevent this outcome over the past 5 or 6 years.

My cousin was diabetic since his teens, but has done a poor job of managing it. Half my family is diabetic, and for the most part an incredibly small number of them have any problems caused by this condition. They live normal lives except that they eat a bit healthier than average people and treat their condition throughout each day. Only a late great aunt had issues, but the available treatments were subpar when she was diagnosed long ago.

Both of us lived with my parents until I saved enough to purchase a house of my own. During that time he had well over 3 dozen hyper and hypoglycemic events that me and my parents helped him through plus others helped him through. For those unfamiliar, each event can lead to nerve damage, organ damage, or even death of not detected and treated promptly. I can say that I had personally saved his life at least a dozen times and assisted my parents many times. I’ve canceled plans with friends before and been late to work enough to almost lose a job due to these events.

No autopsy was done, but based on what happened it seems that he has fluid in his lungs. Whether he inhaled vomit or if something else happened is unclear. My mom found him not breathing properly and attempted to help while paramedics were on their way. He was take to the hospital but unfortunately they couldn’t save him.

His glucose reading was over 400, a level that past events taught us he gets too incoherent respond to much of anything. I believe his glucose got too high and unfortunately something made him vomit (not a rare thing). At those levels he is too incoherent, too uncoordinated to move properly and a messy situation turned deadly.

My problem is that merely 2 weeks before he passed I happened to be visiting and helped him through a hyperglycemic event. During this event we learned that his glucose monitor was malfunctioning (and committed a dangerous mistake before realizing the problem). We told him to ask his doctor for a new meter. I privately offered pay the copay or even buy one at retail cost if needed. That was just over a week before he died and he never got a new meter, a tool that may or may not have prevented that particular episode.

Even though I spent the last few years telling him “we literally stopped you from dieing before but we might not be lucky enough one day” after each event and I wonder if I should have pushed the issue over his meter much harder? Days before I found out these meters were less than $70 but he said he’d take care of it himself.

So, now I have the knowledge that I’ve offered up all I reasonably could, but I lacked the foresight or forcefulness to push the issue that might have saved his life. I know that short of forcefully treating him everyday or treating him like a lier about his own health I did what I could with what I knew. But I wonder how far one should go in saving a family member?
 
I’m sorry for your loss. It sounds like this was just a matter of time anyway, with or without the monitor.

He said he’d take care of it himself. And he’s a 36 year old man. It is most certainly not your fault, at all.
 
I think, given. what you have said, that you and your parents did a great deal for him and gave him many extra years of life. And in a situation like this, it si not surprising that you wonder about this, but you and/or your parents discovered the problem, told him sbout it, offered to help pay for the detector… that was a lot! I am sure that had you known what the outcome would be, that you would have done more… hindsight is always 20/20.

But don’t forget to pray for his soul and have a Mass or or more offered for him.
 
If he is mentally competent, you help save him from himself as much as he wanted and allowed you to do. That said, unless you practiced deceit or undue influence over him or failed him in some professional capacity in which he had placed his trust in you, the person responsible for him is him.

This can be something very hard to accept for people with a heart to help others and in a position to help others. That includes parents, adult children, teachers, doctors, the police, and even spouses. We have to respect that God gave us each a certain amount of sovereignty over ourselves. Sometimes, a person who neglects himself breaks a lot of hearts when he does it.
 
You did all you could. Diabetes requires constant monitoring during each day and consistent treatment as we all know and some people go into denial. One of my friends was an alcoholic and I helped her for months until her husband returned from a psychiatric hospital. I left her care to her husband as was only fitting. However, within six weeks they were both found dead and decayed with no one looking in for over a month. I still feel I should have done more, but had been reassured by their adult children that they were checking on the every few days.
Feel comfortable that you did all you could. Just say some prayers for your relative as I do for my friends.
 
Logically, what you guys are saying is right. I’ve actually been OK until today. Not sure why this is suddenly sticking with me as the big part of the that chain of events.
 
Logically, what you guys are saying is right. I’ve actually been OK until today. Not sure why this is suddenly sticking with me as the big part of the that chain of events.
Death of a loved person is a painful thing that affects us, especially if it could have been avoided. No wonder you have your ups and down about this. But it wasn’t your fault, at all. You did what you could. We can’t force people to take care of themselves, as unfortunate as that is.
 
Logically, what you guys are saying is right. I’ve actually been OK until today. Not sure why this is suddenly sticking with me as the big part of the that chain of events.
Grief is like that. It is entirely natural when suffering a loss, especially an avoidable loss, to try to “take a lesson away” that might prevent a repeat. Of course you don’t ever want to see this happen to anyone you love, ever again.

There is no way to guarantee that. You did your best. We feel for you. If I were your relative I might have been annoyed with your interventions at the time–I might have called it interfering–but in retrospect I’d realize your efforts showed great love.

I read a book awhile back titled, “Co-Dependent No More.” Just as I have come to think that addiction literature has something to offer to people who are not addicts (because to be a sinner is to suffer from some enslavement of some kind), I think good advice to co-dependents is useful to everyone who finds themselves wanting to help those who ought to be helping themselves. If you can find that book at your library, I think you’ll find it a help in seeing how to help others in a healthy way while giving them room to mind their own business, too.
 
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