How has the Catholic Church mistreated gays?

[petesgottheseat]

I guess I’ve been in my own world but how has the Catholic church mistreated gays and women who’ve had abortions? I’m also wondering how “The church has managed to turn those sins into the BIG HORRIBLE AWFUL sins all the while practically ignoring sins that are destroying families within their church.”

 

[holyrood]

I don’t think the Catholic Church has mistreated these people. I think it’s a useful but false accusation in the on-going battle to destroy the Church.

 

[Neofight]

Organizationally the Church has not, individually church members have by their judgement instead of welcoming gays to the church for forgiveness, as the Pope, I think, was pointing out.

 

[JRKH]

I guess I’ve been in my own world but how has the Catholic church mistreated gays and women who’ve had abortions?

The Church has not. The same cannot be said for every individual member of the Church

I’m also wondering how “The church has managed to turn those sins into the BIG HORRIBLE AWFUL sins all the while practically ignoring sins that are destroying families within their church.”

You place this statement in quotation marks…Is it from someone or something particular? Can you share the source?

Peace
James

 

[Country_Gal]

Gays want the Church to accept them fully, let them marry in the Church, and not label gay sex as a sin.

 

[JRKH]

Gays want the Church to accept them fully, let them marry in the Church, and not label gay sex as a sin.

So - is it “mistreating gays” for the Church not to change it’s teaching to accommodate them?

Peace
James

 

[Back2Church]

Gays want the Church to accept them fully, let them marry in the Church, and not label gay sex as a sin.

And the church wants to ensure they end up in heaven, rather than risking eternity in hell. Gays just want the church to love them, but don’t realize that’s already the case. If it wasn’t, then the church wouldn’t give a flip what gays did.

 

[BlueEyedLady]

I am sure that there have been individual Catholics that have mistreated gays and women that have had abortions, but as far as the Catholic Church it has not mistreated either. The Catholic Church calls us to love both!

The Catholic Church will not allow two people of the same gender to marry which, some people would call “mistreatment” so I suppose it depends on your frame of mind.

The Catholic Church in my opinion has not turned any sin into a big horrible awful sin and ignored other sins. I believe the church is responding to the current culture and questions people are asking which is a good thing. Owning slaves is gravely sinful but why do you not hear that discussed by the church, well, it is not on the forefront of people’s minds so it is not discussed much. I think that the sin of acting upon homosexual tendencies is such a big concern of late is not that is it a “bigger” sin then others…I think because of what comes along with it and that is the eroding of religious freedom.

There have been photographers, bakers, florists and other small business men and women all over this free country that are facing fines and jail time because they asked to be recused from participating in a gay marriage ceremony. We are not being allowed to practice our faith which is serious. So you see I am concerned about the homosexual agenda of late very much so not just because of it’s sinful nature but because my ability to practice my faith in public and to live out my faith in my life is being taken away therefore I am grateful that the church is taking such a stand. Thank you for asking, hope this helps. God bless you.

I don’t think anyone is facing jail time, but whatever.

The catholic church has absolutely made homosexuality the worst sin of them all, which is insane. (It isn’t just catholics, it’s most Christian groups). You know what’s more common than homosexuality? Premarital sex, cohabitation, adultery, divorce, out of wedlock births, various forms of sex work, etc. But of course, so many Christians are themselves guilty of such things, so they are never mentioned. But homosexuals are the dreaded “other” people, and their sins are “icky”, so there must be a constant focus on denouncing them.

Just look at this site. Every other thread is about abortion or homosexuality. But never are people worried that their child’s teacher is an adulterer, that their next door neighbor is divorced, or that their nephew is cohabiting.

 

[JRKH]

The catholic church has absolutely made homosexuality the worst sin of them all, which is insane.

If this is true then you should be able to “absolutely” provide evidence of Church teaching that says that homosexuality is the “worst sin of them all”.
But of course the Church has issued no such teaching…Homosexuality remains but one of many grave sins…all equally sinful.

(It isn’t just catholics, it’s most Christian groups). You know what’s more common than homosexuality? Premarital sex, cohabitation, adultery, divorce, out of wedlock births, various forms of sex work, etc. But of course, so many Christians are themselves guilty of such things, so they are never mentioned.

You are quite right - these are equally serious issues.

But homosexuals are the dreaded “other” people, and their sins are “icky”, so there must be a constant focus on denouncing them.
Just look at this site. Every other thread is about abortion or homosexuality.

This is because these are the issues that are “in the news”…In the public and political eye. Naturally these are going to get more attention.

But never are people worried that their child’s teacher is an adulterer, that their next door neighbor is divorced, or that their nephew is cohabiting.

Not true - I see plenty of threads asking about these types of things.

Peace
James

 

[Back2Church]

You know what’s more common than homosexuality? Premarital sex, cohabitation, adultery, divorce, out of wedlock births, various forms of sex work, etc. But of course, so many Christians are themselves guilty of such things, so they are never mentioned. But homosexuals are the dreaded “other” people, and their sins are “icky”, so there must be a constant focus on denouncing them.

You do realize all of those issues used to be big news, too, but now have just become the norm so they don’t really make the headlines. People talk about what the media talks about. It’s a sad fact, but there it is.

But you might say something like: “But even when those issues were still big news, they weren’t focused on as mich as homosexuality is today.” That might be true. But why? I would guess it has something to do with the fact that people didn’t take stuff like premarital sex, cohabitation, adultery, divorce, out of wedlock births, various forms of sex work, etc. to the public forum. When’s the last time you saw a premarital sex march or a cohabitation rally?

Homosexuality isn’t anything new. But it’s a hot topic today. Ask yourself why. I think it’s because gays have simply made it a hot topic. Hot topics tend to get more attention than others.

 

[Catya]

I don’t think anyone is facing jail time, but whatever.

The catholic church has absolutely made homosexuality the worst sin of them all, which is insane. (It isn’t just catholics, it’s most Christian groups). You know what’s more common than homosexuality? Premarital sex, cohabitation, adultery, divorce, out of wedlock births, various forms of sex work, etc. But of course, so many Christians are themselves guilty of such things, so they are never mentioned. But homosexuals are the dreaded “other” people, and their sins are “icky”, so there must be a constant focus on denouncing them.

Just look at this site. Every other thread is about abortion or homosexuality. But never are people worried that their child’s teacher is an adulterer, that their next door neighbor is divorced, or that their nephew is cohabiting.

I get what you’re saying. The church preaches charity, but individual catholics and sometimes entire congregations have behaved otherwise. Some wise person said that with the fall of communism there would be a need to find a new villain for society to band against and predicted that gays would be “it”. Gay people are at most 10% of society. I think the real threat to families is the way most of the other 90% behaves. I will add to your list above, married men getting lap dances, pornography obsessions, people who worship consumer idols and pass these “values” onto their children, etc.

 

[JimG]

You do realize all of those issues used to be big news, too, but now have just become the norm so they don’t really make the headlines. People talk about what the media talks about. It’s a sad fact, but there it is.

But you might say something like: “But even when those issues were still big news, they weren’t focused on as mich as homosexuality is today.” That might be true. But why? I would guess it has something to do with the fact that people didn’t take stuff like premarital sex, cohabitation, adultery, divorce, out of wedlock births, various forms of sex work, etc. to the public forum. When’s the last time you saw a premarital sex march or a cohabitation rally?
Homosexuality isn’t anything new. But it’s a hot topic today. Ask yourself why. I think it’s because gays have simply made it a hot topic. Hot topics tend to get more attention than others.

Well, that’s true. Most sins don’t have their own lobbying group advocating for social acceptance of their particular sins. Although some do. Contraception comes to mind. Contraception has several lobbying groups, as the HHS hearings demonstrated. Divorce used to have a pretty powerful lobbying group, but not so much anymore; they’ve won that battle. Once the gay’s have gained acceptance, others will present their case for public approbation: polygamists, pederasts, polyandrists, and others. Equality for all.

 

[petesgottheseat]

…You place this statement in quotation marks…Is it from someone or something particular? Can you share the source?
Peace
James

It’s in quotation marks because it’s from one of my friend’s wall posts on Facebook.

 

[JRKH]

It’s in quotation marks because it’s from one of my friend’s wall posts on Facebook.

Thanks for the clarification. Perhaps you should ask your friend how the Church has done this. I know of no Catholic Church teaching that has done this…

Peace
James

 

[George_Stegmeir]

The Homosexual Lobby has assaulted the Catholic Church because we are an impediment to their campaign of total acceptance of their perversions by society. They do not want to hear or be reminded that their bedroom antics are sinful.
In addition, many homosexuals are ex-Catholics, and ex-Catholics are the worst and most vocal enemies of the Church.
It is all part of people who deny having a conscience having a guilty conscience of epic proportions.

 

[edwest2]

I don’t think anyone is facing jail time, but whatever.

The catholic church has absolutely made homosexuality the worst sin of them all, which is insane. (It isn’t just catholics, it’s most Christian groups). You know what’s more common than homosexuality? Premarital sex, cohabitation, adultery, divorce, out of wedlock births, various forms of sex work, etc. But of course, so many Christians are themselves guilty of such things, so they are never mentioned. But homosexuals are the dreaded “other” people, and their sins are “icky”, so there must be a constant focus on denouncing them.

Just look at this site. Every other thread is about abortion or homosexuality. But never are people worried that their child’s teacher is an adulterer, that their next door neighbor is divorced, or that their nephew is cohabiting.

That is only your opinion. As someone who does not recognize the authority of the Church, I don’t see where you changing the subject changes anything. The specific topic is gays, and the Church has not mistreated them. If individual Catholics have mistreated gays, it is on them. When I worked in a hospital for nearly ten years, there was no question on the ER form like, “Are you gay?”

Peace,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

The Homosexual Lobby has assaulted the Catholic Church because we are an impediment to their campaign of total acceptance of their perversions by society. They do not want to hear or be reminded that their bedroom antics are sinful.
In addition, many homosexuals are ex-Catholics, and ex-Catholics are the worst and most vocal enemies of the Church.
It is all part of people who deny having a conscience having a guilty conscience of epic proportions.

Can you provide a source for the statement that “many homosexuals are ex-Catholics”?

It is true that what was done privately by gay people in the past is now shoved in everyone’s face by the media. The Church is aware of that. In the past, I had no idea about what most people did in the privacy of wherever they lived. I really did not think about it. Today, especially in media designed for a gay audience and in the mainstream media, privacy doesn’t matter for gay people anymore.

Which definitely, positively explains why people, including the Church, are looking into it more, or are forced to be reminded about it even if it’s not our minds.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Country_Gal]

So - is it “mistreating gays” for the Church not to change it’s teaching to accommodate them?

Peace
James

You’ll have to ask someone who feels mistreated.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

You’ll have to ask someone who feels mistreated.

So are you saying that someone who FEELS mistreated really is? And they are the only judge of if they have been mistreated?

 

[Country_Gal]

So are you saying that someone who FEELS mistreated really is? And they are the only judge of if they have been mistreated?

I really don’t know. Was just giving what I thought gays wanted from the Catholic church. Maybe someone with more information will answer this.