How has VII lowered Mass Attendence and Vocations?

[ethelzguy]

Of course, if we are to believe some of the posters here, this had nothing to do with Vatican II.

But we DO know that “sex sells”, which can be applied to all of the above stated “ills”…

And we began to be innundated with sex during that same period of time as well.

 

[bobzills]

But we DO know that “sex sells”, which can be applied to all of the above stated “ills”…

However, since Vatican II, sex has been selling like hotcakes.

 

[bobzills]

Many lapsed Catholics will start to attend your “Jesus loves you just the way you are” Church, so if so many left the Catholic faith, why has Protestantism not trended upwards in a similar pattern?

It might be because of the way records are kept. Many Catholics have adopted a form of Protestantism without officially acknowledging it.

 

[ethelzguy]

However, since Vatican II, sex has been selling like hotcakes.

And here I thought all this time that they were baking hosts…

 

[bobzills]

The point is that many problems have arisen in the RCC since Vatican II.

 

[SenorSalsa]

It might be because of the way records are kept. Many Catholics have adopted a form of Protestantism without officially acknowledging it.

But why would they for some reason be more likely to identify as leaving the Catholic Church than as joining a Protestant church? As they say 80% of statistics can say anything you want them to…50% of the time

 

[ethelzguy]

The point is that many problems have arisen in the RCC since Vatican II.

True enough, but V2 didn’t put Charlie’s Angels on TV…

 

[SenorSalsa]

True enough, but V2 didn’t put Charlie’s Angels on TV…

according to some, it may have

 

[tcraig]

Yes, I can, because everyone else was affected by these same issues and yet their churches did not experience the rate of increase in the problems that the RCC is experiencing.

Of course it wouldn’t appear that protestant churches were affected in the same way that the Catholic church has been. That’s because protestant churches have split endlessly, so there’s no formalized doctrine between them.

Some argue that Catholic annulments have skyrocketed since VII, but that there’s no corresponding divorce rate among protestants. Well, how can there be, since in many protestant churches today there’s no sin attached to living together? If a cohabitating couple splits, no unfavorable statistic can be attached.

If you belong to a religion where anything goes and nothing is “wrong”, then it’s difficult to ascertain whether your members are practicing or not and “problems” become transparent.

 

[Eric_Olsen]

the change to latin was not necessary and it did not create anymore benefit.

Change is always difficult :yup: but sometimes necessary for a larger good !
Vatican II, by contrast**, arose not in response** to a heresy but to the **perception **that the Church was too insular and thus remiss in its mission to “make disciples of all nations.” Historians speak of the “Catholic ghetto” within which the Church thrived, though it was tangential to secular society.
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[bobzills]

Of course it wouldn’t appear that protestant churches were affected in the same way that the Catholic church has been. That’s because protestant churches have split endlessly, so there’s no formalized doctrine between them.

Some argue that Catholic annulments have skyrocketed since VII, but that there’s no corresponding divorce rate among protestants. Well, how can there be, since in many protestant churches today there’s no sin attached to living together? If a cohabitating couple splits, no unfavorable statistic can be attached.

If you belong to a religion where anything goes and nothing is “wrong”, then it’s difficult to ascertain whether your members are practicing or not and “problems” become transparent.

Actually, there has been a noticeable increase in the number of Catholic couples cohabiting without the benefit of marriage and at the same time, the number of annulments has been skyrocketing. Perhaps Catholic couples have decided not to go throught the bother of getting married in a Church, since in the end, it might end up that what they ehought was marriage, was really not a marriage at all. So they wasted all that time and money.
Actually, there was an article in the US Catholic magazine, by Michael LAwler and Gail Risch, which argues that it is not a sin for Catholic couples to cohabit in a trial type marriage before deciding to officially get married in the RCC. “We invite the Catholic Church to be a leader, rather than an adversary, in acknowledging and nurturing nuptial cohabiting relationships as just and loving relationships and pathways to grace.” etc.