How Important Is It To Earn A College Education?

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Sorry maybe I should give up but to say many cheat is IMO irresponsible. Please tell me how you know this? I think it disparages all of us who earned our grades and diplomas through hard work and diligence.

As to the decision, certainly money comes into it although it’s clear one can make more money ON AVERAGE with a college degree versus high school only. If after college you are a social worker making ten bucks an hour, well maybe it didn’t pan out monetarily although from a personal satisfaction level some jobs have other benefits. OTOH I picked out my job from the newspaper because there was a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow so to speak. I had no problem getting a job out of college and do not think I will ever be unemployed because some skills are always in demand

Lisa N (who NEVER CHEATED and graduated with high honors)
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Survery Says!! Published surveys of college students showed they admitted to cheating. These are students admitting cheating.
 
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buffalo:
Survery Says!! Published surveys of college students showed they admitted to cheating. These are students admitting cheating.
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What survey?

Besides, this doesn’t mean that employers discount a college degree because they assume the student cheated.
 
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buffalo:
Survery Says!! Published surveys of college students showed they admitted to cheating. These are students admitting cheating.
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What survey? Links to the articles would be appreciated. I’m a scientist, and I like to see proof.

And yes, I earned my bachelor of science in biochemistry, magna cum laude, without cheating. It took an honest 60-80 hours of work per week to do so- and people who are afraid of the work or too lazy to do it might try and slide by with cheating. In today’s economy, they won’t get far.
 
Ok heres the thing. everyone has a right to an education up UNTIL college and in Texas unless Daddy knows someone who knows someone or has a big time job with a check to match your just S.O.L. my parents have four kids, they couldnt afford to send us, so we sent ourselves. i’ve got two years under my belt and still two to go, but until i get some more money i cant go. its a load of ****. my brother is close to over a half million dollars in school loan and credit card debt he used to pay for school, hes an attorney now and can afford to pay it off, but thats not in my future.

im seeking an education degree, so i cant afford to get overly in debt, its a messed up situation but until the stupid politicians and school boards quit raising tuition and lining their pockets, college will remain for the rich little brats of America. the kids i cant stand the most at school are the ones who drive brand new cars on to the lot, maybe they go to class maybe they dont. and you ask them why are they even here. i actually have had several of them tell me " my dad said i had to go to school or get a job" it was all i could do not to slap her teeth out when i was working two full time jobs and a part time job and going to school full time. just so i could pay for a few classes.

EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO AN EDUCATION! the Government needs to quit making it so hard to get one! especially all the idiots in charge in Texas. Georgia’s got the right idea. the state lottery pays for college. thats the way to do it.
 
All of this said, I wonder how we will ever afford it all. Our financial advisor said you need to put away $50/week/child from birth to afford 4 years at state school :eek: .
and hes being optimistic. Books, food, gas,lab fees and supplies, the list goes on honey. i mean thats only $43,200 thats no where near enough. at Baylor its about 30,000 a year.
 
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TarAshly:
EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO AN EDUCATION! the Government needs to quit making it so hard to get one! especially all the idiots in charge in Texas. Georgia’s got the right idea. the state lottery pays for college. thats the way to do it.
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nobody has a right to higher education, it is a privilege, why should my taxes go to pay for your education when I just finished paying of my student loan for my masters, a credential required in my field, still paying on my kids loans, and contributing for savings plans for my grandkids college? if Ga tells you lottery pays for education it is lying. the money goes in the general fund, like every other state lottery, budget is jerry-rigged and what legislators giveth legislators taketh away
 
Penny Plain:
What survey?

Besides, this doesn’t mean that employers discount a college degree because they assume the student cheated.
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Sure they do. They have to invest in training.
 
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SeekerJen:
What survey? Links to the articles would be appreciated. I’m a scientist, and I like to see proof.

And yes, I earned my bachelor of science in biochemistry, magna cum laude, without cheating. It took an honest 60-80 hours of work per week to do so- and people who are afraid of the work or too lazy to do it might try and slide by with cheating. In today’s economy, they won’t get far.
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type in “college cheating” into google. See for yourself.
 
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buffalo:
Sure they do. They have to invest in training.
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This makes no sense. Are you saying that employers wouldn’t have to train college graduates if they didn’t cheat?

"Yes, Mr. HR person. I have a degree in early modern history with an empahsis on the intellectual history of the Thuringian counter-reformation. I would be perfectly prepared to step into a loan officer position at your bank without training, except that I cheated on my Latin 202 final. As a result, I cannot correctly conjugate the verb “miseror” "
 
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TarAshly:
Georgia’s got the right idea. the state lottery pays for college. thats the way to do it.
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Here in TX they told us the same thing, that the lottery money would go to education. Now they’re scrambling to fund education, because the lottery money went somewhere else.

Don’t be fooled by this Ponzi scheme called government.
 
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buffalo:
type in “college cheating” into google. See for yourself.
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The burden of proof is on you, not me. I’m not the one who made a claim and refused to provide a reference to back it up.

If I had pulled such a stunt in college, not only would I receive a zero for failing to complete the assignment, I might have been laughed out of the class. It wasn’t the professor’s job to provide a list of references, it was their job to check the references against what we had written to ensure honest work.
 
Penny Plain:
This makes no sense. Are you saying that employers wouldn’t have to train college graduates if they didn’t cheat?

"Yes, Mr. HR person. I have a degree in early modern history with an empahsis on the intellectual history of the Thuringian counter-reformation. I would be perfectly prepared to step into a loan officer position at your bank without training, except that I cheated on my Latin 202 final. As a result, I cannot correctly conjugate the verb “miseror” "
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What it means is they cannot assume that you “earned” your degree. The ramifications are these:
  1. Employer cannot assume you have mastered certain material
  2. They may have to retrain on fundamental issues that they expected you to know
  3. The college diploma is of less value
 
I voted for niether one because I think it depends on the person. Some people shouln’t waist their time in school (or in some cases the tax payers money) While other go through college and then become a real benefit to the society.
 
Ask Bill Gates, Andrew Carnegie, Dave Thomas, Ray Krok, Cornelius Vanderbuilt, Thomas Edison, Henry Ford etc… what they thought about the necessity of having a college education.
 
From what I have read in the past Georgia’s lottery funds college educations.
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The HOPE scholarship, according to Rebecca Paul, Georgia Lottery Commission president, also pays up to $3,000 for students attending private colleges in the state and pays tuition for students at technical schools, regardless of their grades.
Paul said so far, more than 600,000 students have saved more than $1.5 billion from the program, which is funded by the state lottery.
The first HOPE scholarship was awarded on Sept. 1, 1993, and was originally limited to students from families making less than $66,000 and only good for the first two years of college. The scholarship was eventually opened up to all students and can now be used for all four years of college, as long as recipients maintain a B average in college courses…
Paul said the lottery had gross revenues of approximately $2.2 billion last year, of which roughly $691 million went to education
 
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asquared:
nobody has a right to higher education, it is a privilege, why should my taxes go to pay for your education when I just finished paying of my student loan for my masters, a credential required in my field, still paying on my kids loans, and contributing for savings plans for my grandkids college? if Ga tells you lottery pays for education it is lying. the money goes in the general fund, like every other state lottery, budget is jerry-rigged and what legislators giveth legislators taketh away
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HOW CAN YOU SAY NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO AN EDUCATION? you were fortunate enough to pay for your kids education whereas my parents couldnt so myself and others should suffer because your greedy? thats not very charitable. and WHO is it a priviledge for? the rich? your the type or aristocratical thinking that will continue to make it impossible for others less fortunate to go to school. after im done with school i’ll at least know i’ve made it on MY OWN. i didnt have mommy and daddy pay my way.
 
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Augustine:
Here in TX they told us the same thing, that the lottery money would go to education. Now they’re scrambling to fund education, because the lottery money went somewhere else.

Don’t be fooled by this Ponzi scheme called government.
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EXACTLY! Baylors tuition went up 15 grand this past year. my best friend had to get a second job and sell her car to pay her tuition. her parents even sold their house to afford for her to go. its ridiculous. UT is at an all time high. its absolutely out of control.
 
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