How is Bayonetta Satanic?

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Ayiyiyi… and here’s the problem when a person applies real-world rules to a fictional realm. For goodness sake man, please look at the situation in context. What you’re doing is like applying the laws of physics to the the Marvel universe. You may think you’re proving something but there really is no point being that we’re not even talking about our world here. We’re talking about a world in the game.

The game lets you kill demons physically, which at the very start breaks already the rules you are incorrectly applying.

My question really is what is so wrong about a game that glorifies violence against demons? They’re demons! They’re supposed to be the ultimate bad guys! You get to kill the ultimate bad guys! What is so wrong with that? :ehh:
And this is where the problem is when people try to seperate, and isolate "real-world’ from “fiction world”
When you are in this, “Marvel Universe” is it “Virtual emotion” and “Virtual adrenaline” you are using or are these emotions and adreniline real and actual?
As you apply this "real adrenaline, and these real emotions of violence to the “fictional characters” how are you training your mind and body to respond to “evil” in the “Real” world? With Loving compassionate thoughts or with Violent thoughts.

All of this is, of course, just my opinion. Take it or leave it for the 2 cents it’s worth.
How is it a mistreatment? God gave us the Earth and its resources for us to use in whatever manner that benefits us as long as we don’t destroy it. Hunting for sport can be fun as long as people don’t overhunt. It’s the same with sport fishing. Any cause for immorality can be averted with proper moderation.
Killing for fun is not a spiritually uplifting occupation. Simple as that.
I don’t say that one cannot “enjoy” hunting and fishing, so long as what is harvested is used for food which is the proper use.
Then again, that’s not really my point. The thing is violence can be a great source of adrenaline. Look at football, hockey, and boxing. They’re violent sports yet everyone loves them, participants included. It provides a nice outlet for daily frustrations.
Yes there are VERY aggressive sports. But in these there is a balance because you are involved in “real world” situations against “real world” opponents. Rules and equipment are designed to minimize potential injury. Injureis and deaths are investigated to improve safety. If you, as a player in sports injures your apponent, you see it and it’s real. that is antoher “emotion” that you don’t get in “Virtual reality”
In these “virtual” games, the designers try to improve the methods of killing, to increase the adrenaline rush, to increase the violence. They don’t take inot account the emotions of remose, and accountability for error. Just his the “reset” button and go on.

My suggestion is that, instead of getting your adrenaline from Video games, go aout and play the violent sports. Much better and healthier for you.
What better way to take out your stress than in the unsightly archfiend that could very well symbolize it? :cool:
I could think of many ways to take out stress, and more healthy ones.

:twocents: Duly deposited.

Peace
James
 
I’m afraid you’re really not getting the point. Look there’s a towering demon charging right at me ready to chop me into bloody chunks of flesh and holding a cleaver that’s the size of my entire body. The point is, it’s either me or it. It just so happens I enjoy the adrenaline rush of cutting something, huge, monstrous, and menacing and bringing it down dead on its knees. It’s kinda like hunting actually. I doubt there’s anything “peaceful” about killing an animal for sport. Is it evil? Hardly and in the case of archfiends, it can actually be quite beneficial. 😛

Besides, how can you treat the slaughter of demons as if it was akin to the slaughter of the innocent? You can’t “love” a demon. That’s pretty much blasphemy.

The game lets you kill demons and gives you a variety of awesome ways to do it. I can’t see how St. Michael at least would object to the idea. Wasn’t He the one who personally kicked satan out of heaven?
From your very vivid description of the hypothetical demonic attack I would like to think that you are joking to some extent here. Evil spirits are to be fought with our spiritual armor as the apostle Paul writes. Not physical weapons but weapons of truth, salvation, the Word of God, righteousness, faith and eagerness to spread God’s word - Acts 17:11

If there was a towering demon charging right at you I would think that as a follower of Christ and the model of St. Michael you would pray faithfully to God to rebuke him. Even St. Michael when disputing the body of Moses with the devil in Jude 1:9 quote: “Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.”

You are but a man and it would be foolish to think that you would step out of the control of God to fight a demon physically when not even an archangel would do so without the total direction of God.

It is said by catholic mystics I believe as well that St. Michael’s eyes are fixed on God when fighting satan and his rebellion in heaven. JRKH is right that you cannot use the devils weapons to fight for good and hope to win. It might be fun to kill demons in the game but the question remains - Does killing demons by hacking them to bloody pieces villivy God or your thirst for bloodshed? We should not justify gratuitous violence by saying “we are destroying evil so it’s all good”. Let’s destroy evil by putting on the whole armor as St. Paul said, and using it in Spirit and in Truth with our eyes fixed on God.
 
Many came to conversion by such “foolishness” as you call it. Many still do come to conversion by the holy example of people like Mother Theresa, and the saint(s) who died in Nazi Concentration camps (I forget the specific names)
Saint Maximilian Kolbe is one example. He volunteered to die in place of a stranger in the Nazi concentration camp of Auschwitz in Poland. He is a really good example of goodness in the face of evil 👍
 
Jesus told the Apostles they couldn’t drive out the demons without fasting. And what a misfire. Jesus Christ Himself said, “Beware of Satan appearing as an Angel of Light.” “Vain imaginings” train one to fight grotesque demon-y stuff and give the Angel of Light image a pass as associated only with good…Needs a remix. Padre Pio called his Rosary his “weapon” and no doubt the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, which fosters daily spiritual achievement, is the finest of shields. Our spiritual weapons are: prayer; fasting; almsgiving. Fight on!
 
seriously i really didn’t want an argument for anybody that has PLAYED bayonetta do you think it’s satanic?
 
Seriously How is Bayonetta Satanic ? it’s not even angels that you kill it’s like Greek mythology not even related to christianity Do you think it’s Satanic
? i don’t
Bayonetta is Satanic because its port for the Playstation 3 is much worse than for the Xbox 360… :D:D:D
 
And this is where the problem is when people try to seperate, and isolate "real-world’ from “fiction world”
When you are in this, “Marvel Universe” is it “Virtual emotion” and “Virtual adrenaline” you are using or are these emotions and adreniline real and actual?
As you apply this "real adrenaline, and these real emotions of violence to the “fictional characters” how are you training your mind and body to respond to “evil” in the “Real” world? With Loving compassionate thoughts or with Violent thoughts.
Sorry, researchers would disagree with you there. There’s a huge reason a majority of gamers aren’t violent killers.

2008 Article from ScienceDaily
Eight Myths About Video Games Debunked
Killing for fun is not a spiritually uplifting occupation. Simple as that.
I don’t say that one cannot “enjoy” hunting and fishing, so long as what is harvested is used for food which is the proper use.
Sorry but that sounds like a huge contradiction. You either enjoy killing something or not. It doesn’t matter be it for harvesting or for sport. Hunting and fishing both involve killing something. The morality of killing and violence has always been determined by the innocence of the victim. That’s why people have realized that “Though shalt not kill” actually means “Thou shalt not murder” where “Murder” is defined as killing of the innocent. That’s how Catholics justify being against abortion without necessarily being against the death penalty.

Demons aren’t innocent. Thus, why is it wrong to feel good in killing them in a video game? 😛
Yes there are VERY aggressive sports. But in these there is a balance because you are involved in “real world” situations against “real world” opponents. Rules and equipment are designed to minimize potential injury. Injureis and deaths are investigated to improve safety. If you, as a player in sports injures your apponent, you see it and it’s real. that is antoher “emotion” that you don’t get in “Virtual reality”
In these “virtual” games, the designers try to improve the methods of killing, to increase the adrenaline rush, to increase the violence. They don’t take inot account the emotions of remose, and accountability for error. Just his the “reset” button and go on.
Why should you remorse over the death of pixels? Are you a walking mannequin of pixels? No, you’re a real human, with a real soul, with real flesh and blood. The things in video games however, are not. Only a nut would be incapable to tell that difference. The fact that it’s all virtual could be a very big measure to prevent injury.

Honestly, I have seen boxing and the feeling I get when a fighter wins is the same feeling I get when I kill something in a video game. It’s the feeling of victory. 😛
My suggestion is that, instead of getting your adrenaline from Video games, go aout and play the violent sports. Much better and healthier for you.
Yeah I could engage in street fighting now can I? Too bad I can’t afford either time or money for any martial arts lessons. 😛
I could think of many ways to take out stress, and more healthy ones.
Unless it involves hitting something, I’ve tried everything else. It all just made me wanna pulverize something all the more. 😛
 
From your very vivid description of the hypothetical demonic attack I would like to think that you are joking to some extent here. Evil spirits are to be fought with our spiritual armor as the apostle Paul writes. Not physical weapons but weapons of truth, salvation, the Word of God, righteousness, faith and eagerness to spread God’s word - Acts 17:11
Look, you’re not getting the point. Dante’s Inferno lets you have fun slaughtering the minions of hell. Why is that wrong? Demons are bad. You get to kill them. You guys claim that you can’t kill demons that way but in the game, you can (and in other games too). So what’s wrong then? :rolleyes:
 
Sorry, researchers would disagree with you there. There’s a huge reason a majority of gamers aren’t violent killers.

2008 Article from ScienceDaily
Eight Myths About Video Games Debunked
I never said that video gamers are violent killers in the real world. My point is that the aspects that are excersized on these games are negative ones. You are not excerizing prayer, fasting, suffering, passive resistance, etc., traits that can lead to greaer patience and forebearance in the real world. Instead you are excersizing violent responses that can easily translate into being more easily angered and more aggressive in the real world. There is a great deal of evil and sinful behavior that does not include killing.
Sorry but that sounds like a huge contradiction. You either enjoy killing something or not. It doesn’t matter be it for harvesting or for sport. Hunting and fishing both involve killing something. The morality of killing and violence has always been determined by the innocence of the victim. That’s why people have realized that “Though shalt not kill” actually means “Thou shalt not murder” where “Murder” is defined as killing of the innocent. That’s how Catholics justify being against abortion without necessarily being against the death penalty.
Hunting and fishing for sport or for food, is off topic of the game - or gaming in general.
Demons aren’t innocent. Thus, why is it wrong to feel good in killing them in a video game? 😛
Because one is excersizing the wrong attributes to bring one closer to God.
Why should you remorse over the death of pixels? Are you a walking mannequin of pixels? No, you’re a real human, with a real soul, with real flesh and blood. The things in video games however, are not. Only a nut would be incapable to tell that difference. The fact that it’s all virtual could be a very big measure to prevent injury.
I wish we could quit jumping around from real to virtual. It appears that I am unable to communicate effectively with you.
Honestly, I have seen boxing and the feeling I get when a fighter wins is the same feeling I get when I kill something in a video game. It’s the feeling of victory. 😛
“Seeing” a boxer be defeated is not the same as defeating a boxer. If you are the one in the ring, or on the playing field etc, when you hurt someone, the feeling is different than if you are an “univolved bystander”, no matter how “into the sport” you might be.
Yeah I could engage in street fighting now can I? Too bad I can’t afford either time or money for any martial arts lessons. 😛
Yes it is too bad. The expereince would be good for you.
Unless it involves hitting something, I’ve tried everything else. It all just made me wanna pulverize something all the more. 😛
sounds like anger issues to me.

Peace
James
 
I never said that video gamers are violent killers in the real world. My point is that the aspects that are excersized on these games are negative ones. You are not excerizing prayer, fasting, suffering, passive resistance, etc., traits that can lead to greaer patience and forebearance in the real world. Instead you are excersizing violent responses that can easily translate into being more easily angered and more aggressive in the real world. There is a great deal of evil and sinful behavior that does not include killing.
Anger and violence have been long proven to be quite effective tools in preventing injustices. It wasn’t the values of meek Christian lambs that stopped Hitler. Neither was it diplomacy or pacifism that ended Hirohito’s scheme to conquer Asia. Frankly I’m quite proud that I’d rather be cantankerous and ill-tempered than risk being passive to the point of having a sign on my back that says “Walk on me”.

I’d rather be desensitized to killing and be able to kill an aggressor without remorse than get on my knees and pray for a miracle that has less chances of happening.
Hunting and fishing for sport or for food, is off topic of the game - or gaming in general.
Of course it is but I’m just saying that the adrenaline rush something that they and video games have in common.
Because one is excersizing the wrong attributes to bring one closer to God.
Even the original Dante in the original poem took great joy in wanting to see Filippo Argenti (sp?) dunked back into the mire that he deserved. I’m pretty sure he felt being quite close to God in what he saw as a delivery of justice.
I wish we could quit jumping around from real to virtual. It appears that I am unable to communicate effectively with you.
The topic is video games so the idea of comparing the real and the virtual is inescapable. If you have a hard time comprehending the logic behind it, then my only advice is to drop out and think for a moment (and maybe perhaps actually play something) to get the idea.
“Seeing” a boxer be defeated is not the same as defeating a boxer. If you are the one in the ring, or on the playing field etc, when you hurt someone, the feeling is different than if you are an “univolved bystander”, no matter how “into the sport” you might be.
Ever seen interviews after fights? I’ve heard more along the lines of “he was an awesome opponent” than “I feel sorry for hitting him.”
 
Anger and violence have been long proven to be quite effective tools in preventing injustices.
To believe that one can engage in sin oneself in order to stop sin is ill conceived at best and self destructive at worst. This is a statement bereft of any spiritual maturity or rationale in my opinion and I hope no impressionable people reading your post takes that statement seriously.
It wasn’t the values of meek Christian lambs that stopped Hitler. Neither was it diplomacy or pacifism that ended Hirohito’s scheme to conquer Asia.
It is that same mentality that caused the hostile takeover in the first place. Are you not reading what has been posted above. Violence begets violence. If you want bloodshed then you are in the wrong religion. I can name a few that would suite bloodlust.

Also I think you should exercise more caution in what you say friend. Jesus Christ who died for you and the world including hitler and his men was the epitome of “meek Christian lamb” He was and is and will always be The Lamb of God and your words mock his very life and death. His loving sacrifice conquered death so that Hitler, Stalin, Obama or anyone else who abuses their earthy power can never prevail over His faithful. Without the wars that ended the reign of these men God’s great plan would still prevail and is.

Just a little info as an aside though . . . guess who funded the Nazi regime’s war machine…Rothchild and Rockefeller families made millions on the loans the US, the allies and germany took out from their banks to fund weapons for the war.

Every world war to this day has been orchestrated and/or manipulated by large financial interests out of greed by people who are desensitized to violence. Do your history and you will see it for yourself.
Frankly I’m quite proud that I’d rather be cantankerous and ill-tempered than risk being passive to the point of having a sign on my back that says “Walk on me”.
I’m sure satan must have uttered similar words before being banished from heaven.
I’d rather be desensitized to killing and be able to kill an aggressor without remorse than get on my knees and pray for a miracle that has less chances of happening.
Which basically means You’d rather have a love of violence than faith in an all powerful and loving God. Not catholic values at all?
Even the original Dante in the original poem took great joy in wanting to see Filippo Argenti (sp?) dunked back into the mire that he deserved. I’m pretty sure he felt being quite close to God in what he saw as a delivery of justice.
I don’t know how catholic dante’s inferno is as literature but I would not base my justification for this game on what I “think” someone fictional “felt” when killing a demon if I were you.
The topic is video games so the idea of comparing the real and the virtual is inescapable. If you have a hard time comprehending the logic behind it, then my only advice is to drop out and think for a moment (and maybe perhaps actually play something) to get the idea.
I play alot of video games myself and I know exactly what JRKH is talking about and I agree 100%. I own a Wii, PSP, PS3 have hundreds of games for SNES, NES, Genisis, N64 and the Wii. It’s difficult to stop playing the violent games but it’s best for the mind and soul to stop. I know for a fact that they do not bring me closer to God. They steal your peace and increase your capacity for violence whether killing demons, people or zombies.
 
Sorry, researchers would disagree with you there. There’s a huge reason a majority of gamers aren’t violent killers.

2008 Article from ScienceDaily
Eight Myths About Video Games Debunked
The information that shows that playing violent video games increases violent tendancies in the players is alot more actually:

news.cnet.com/8301-27083_3-10462519-247.html
edition.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/family/11/03/healthmag.violent.video.kids/
webmd.com/parenting/news/20000424/children-violence-video-games
serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1723
 
I don’t know how catholic dante’s inferno is as literature but I would not base my justification for this game on what I “think” someone fictional “felt” when killing a demon if I were you.
I’m surprised you don’t know how Catholic Dante’s Divine Comedy is.

A man’s journey through Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven, written in the early 1300s. It promoted the Church while chastizing the corrupt officials in the Church at the time.

I highly, I highly suggest you read it. Violence isn’t good, yes, but it is not always unacceptable.
 
ugh enough already… i just WANT A Simple opinion GOSH Now STOP ARGUING!!! please enough already wow why are all of you taking this thread so seriously ? i just want a Simple OPINION FOR PEOPLE WHO OWN THE GAME!
 
Did you even read these?

Here are quotes from #2 and #1:
But Dr. Cheryl K. Olson, co-director of the Center for Mental Health and the Media at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, isn’t convinced.
“It’s not the violence per se that’s the problem, it’s the context and goals of the violence,” said Olson, citing past research on TV violence and behavior.
There are definitely games kids shouldn’t be playing, she said, for example those where hunting down and killing people is the goal. But she argues that the label “violent video games” is too vague. Researchers need to do a better job at defining what is considered a violent video game and what constitutes aggressive behavior, she added.
The analysis shows that violent video games affect children in both Eastern and Western cultures, in males and females, and in all age groups studied. Although there are good theoretical reasons to expect the long-term harmful effects to be higher in younger, preteen youths, there had been only weak evidence of such age effects.
The other two are so outdated, I’m not wasting my time. Besides, here’s few more things to enlighten you.

Grand Theft Childhood - Myths
 
To believe that one can engage in sin oneself in order to stop sin is ill conceived at best and self destructive at worst. This is a statement bereft of any spiritual maturity or rationale in my opinion and I hope no impressionable people reading your post takes that statement seriously.
I’m pretty sure soldiers, police men, and wardens wouldn’t take kindly to statements like yours. Pacifism is a joke. All it does is promote weakness and cowardice.
It is that same mentality that caused the hostile takeover in the first place. Are you not reading what has been posted above.
Don’t you mean the other way around? Violence stopped Japan. It brought the nation to its knees and taught everyone a lesson. :rolleyes:
Violence begets violence. If you want bloodshed then you are in the wrong religion. I can name a few that would suite bloodlust.
Tell that to El Cid and St. Joan.
Also I think you should exercise more caution in what you say friend. Jesus Christ who died for you and the world including hitler and his men was the epitome of “meek Christian lamb” He was and is and will always be The Lamb of God and your words mock his very life and death. His loving sacrifice conquered death so that Hitler, Stalin, Obama or anyone else who abuses their earthy power can never prevail over His faithful. Without the wars that ended the reign of these men God’s great plan would still prevail and is.
Are you saying that you would rather have had more than 6 million Jews murdered than the war that ended his regime? That you would wish China, Korea, the Philippines (my own country) and the rest of Asia remained enslaved by Japanese military dictators like Hirohito?

God is not some genie that would miraculously solve your problems as long as you just sat there “praying”. He works in ways we cannot understand and that goes for both people who abuse violence as a solution and people who abuse pacifism. In your case though, you oughta wake up to the fact that avoiding violence is just as bad a solution as resorting to it all the time.

I’d rather jump on the nearest boat in case of a flood than sit around praying an angel would swoop down and lift me out of it.
Just a little info as an aside though . . . guess who funded the Nazi regime’s war machine…Rothchild and Rockefeller families made millions on the loans the US, the allies and germany took out from their banks to fund weapons for the war.

Every world war to this day has been orchestrated and/or manipulated by large financial interests out of greed by people who are desensitized to violence. Do your history and you will see it for yourself.
History does not include garbage conspiracy theories. For the truth about the supposed connection between Rothschild and Hitler, read this.
Which basically means You’d rather have a love of violence than faith in an all powerful and loving God. Not catholic values at all?
No, it means I make use of what the Lord has given me to protect myself than run and hide behind Him like some baby.
I don’t know how catholic dante’s inferno is as literature but I would not base my justification for this game on what I “think” someone fictional “felt” when killing a demon if I were you.
The passage I mentioned from the original poem (which the game was based on) has strong foundations in Dante Alighieri’s personal life and views of his opponents. I would not base my assumptions on ignorance of the subject if I were you. 😛
I play alot of video games myself and I know exactly what JRKH is talking about and I agree 100%. I own a Wii, PSP, PS3 have hundreds of games for SNES, NES, Genisis, N64 and the Wii. It’s difficult to stop playing the violent games but it’s best for the mind and soul to stop. I know for a fact that they do not bring me closer to God. They steal your peace and increase your capacity for violence whether killing demons, people or zombies.
Really? All it ever taught me is stand up for myself and not people give me trash about my religion. Yeah, it’s sooooo bad for the soul. :rolleyes:
 
ugh enough already… i just WANT A Simple opinion GOSH Now STOP ARGUING!!! please enough already wow why are all of you taking this thread so seriously ? i just want a Simple OPINION FOR PEOPLE WHO OWN THE GAME!
Well sorry man but when opinions clash, arguing and debate are inevitable. Besides, you did also inquired about Dante’s Inferno.

I don’t have Bayonetta but I have read a review about it. Lemme see if I can get back to you later.
 
ugh enough already… i just WANT A Simple opinion GOSH Now STOP ARGUING!!! please enough already wow why are all of you taking this thread so seriously ? i just want a Simple OPINION FOR PEOPLE WHO OWN THE GAME!
I’m sorry - I guess that no one who owns the game has yet found the thread. 🤷

My guess is that “People who own the game” will have the opinion tha tit is NOT satanic, while others, who do not own the game, will think otherwise.
I really think that the discussion on here IS more to the point. It’s not a matter of whether one or the other “violent” videogame is “Satanic” but whether the entire genre Glorifies God, and leads one towards God, or if the genre Glorifies Evil and leads one away from God.
My simple opinionis that - Yes, such games are satanic. They support Satan’s goals much more than God’s Goals.

As for everyone’s “Arguing”. This is more of a discussion than an argument. At least from my perspective.

Peace
James
 
I’m pretty sure soldiers, police men, and wardens wouldn’t take kindly to statements like yours. Pacifism is a joke. All it does is promote weakness and cowardice.
Your statement is just as much in error here as you believe Kinja to be. Strength and Courage come in many forms. Do you honestly believe that the Apostles were “Weak” and “Cowardly” when they allowed themselves to be martyred? Do you believe that Maximilion Kolbe was Weak when he volunteered to die in anothers place in a Nazi Concentration camp? Do you think that Pope John Paul II was weak or cowardly when he forgave the man who tried to kill him?

These things that you label “Pacifism” and seem to are “weak and cowardly”, in many cases require far greater strength of will and courage and endurance and forebearance than striking out in a fit of violent retribution.
Don’t you mean the other way around? Violence stopped Japan. It brought the nation to its knees and taught everyone a lesson. :rolleyes:
Yes it was "war that Stopped and defeated Japan. It was also Japan’s incredible Pride that forced the Allies to use the Atomic Bomb.
But what lesson was learned. Is the World safer today? Genocide is occuring in Africa. Terrorism is occurring in various places. Wars, revolutions, Violent Evil continues to spring up. So what “lesson” was learned by “everyone”?
Are you saying that you would rather have had more than 6 million Jews murdered than the war that ended his regime?
Of course in order to End that regime, the western Allies made a pact with Stalin’s Russia. A regime that killed more on the order of 20 million people, Jews and others in various purges. This regime, the Soviet one, continued for another 50 or so years before collapsing.
Hitlers regme was not attacked by the Allies because of it’s Evil policies, but because it became a military Agressor, just as Japan did. The war was not about combating evil, it was about combating agression.
That you would wish China, Korea, the Philippines (my own country) and the rest of Asia remained enslaved by Japanese military dictators like Hirohito?
Hirohito was an Emporer with little to no power. Tojo was the Military dictator.
No one will deny that the Second world war defeated two very aggressive dictatorships. But it also left in place another very aggressive and evil dictatorship, and led the wy to a second one. Red Russia and Red China. This led to wars in Korea and in Vietnam, laos and Cambodia. I’m sure other instances of bloodshed and revolution etc. can be cited in the Western Pacific that I am not aware of.
So it can be seen that the defeat of “evil” using the tools of “evil” has not occurred. Evil still exists.
God is not some genie that would miraculously solve your problems as long as you just sat there “praying”.
How do you know that. Did not jesus Promise that Faith the size of a mustard seed could move mountains?? Seems you need to look more carefully at how much faith you put in the promises of Christ.
He works in ways we cannot understand and that goes for both people who abuse violence as a solution and people who abuse pacifism. In your case though, you oughta wake up to the fact that avoiding violence is just as bad a solution as resorting to it all the time.
There may be times when violent response is required. But only as a last resort.
I’d rather jump on the nearest boat in case of a flood than sit around praying an angel would swoop down and lift me out of it.
Unless that nearest boat was full of fire that was consuming all who boarded it.
No, it means I make use of what the Lord has given me to protect myself than run and hide behind Him like some baby.
You need to study more on spiritual warfare and less on Physical warfare. Your soul will be the better for it.

Peace
James
 
Anger and violence have been long proven to be quite effective tools in preventing injustices.
But not in destroying evil for good. In fact in many cases the Anger and violence that at first is used to prevent injustices turns in on itself and becomes a source of injustice.
The Communist Revolution of 1917 is one example. The people wished to overthrow an oppressive regime, but the replacement became, not liberating but just as paranoid and oppressive as the Czar.
The French Revolution of 1789-1799 was likewise designed to overthrow a repressive regime and right injustices. The result was the “Reign of Terror”, a huge bloodbath.
It wasn’t the values of meek Christian lambs that stopped Hitler. Neither was it diplomacy or pacifism that ended Hirohito’s scheme to conquer Asia. Frankly I’m quite proud that I’d rather be cantankerous and ill-tempered than risk being passive to the point of having a sign on my back that says “Walk on me”.
And Yet, even though Hitler and Tojo and Stalin and Hirohito and the others are gone, Evil, and the tools of evil continue on their merry way. Seducing many - such as yourself - to believe that they can use the tools of the enemy to defeat him.
I’d rather be desensitized to killing and be able to kill an aggressor without remorse than get on my knees and pray for a miracle that has less chances of happening.
Please Please - Never wish to be desensitized to killing. If you do then the enemy has won and your soul will be lost.
I have talked with a number of veterens and almost to a man they do feel remorse at the killing. They understand the necessity, but have retained enough of their humanity to be sorry that it had to happen and also to hope that it never has to happen again.
The topic is video games so the idea of comparing the real and the virtual is inescapable. If you have a hard time comprehending the logic behind it, then my only advice is to drop out and think for a moment (and maybe perhaps actually play something) to get the idea.
Yes it is inescapable, but we seem to be having some trouble defineing which is real and which is “virtual”.
My point has been that, while the “killing” is virual, the feelings, the emotions, the “spiritual training” that is goin on is “Real” - and not condusive to the development of true Christian Virtues.
Ever seen interviews after fights? I’ve heard more along the lines of “he was an awesome opponent” than “I feel sorry for hitting him.”
Of course. These are two people who have chosen, of their own free will, to participate in this “sport”. As such they expect to be injured and to cause injury. They also respect each other’s abilites.
BUT what do you think the reaction of this person would be if He actually Killed His opponent - which is not the intent of the sport?

Peace
James
 
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