How is it Judaism survived the destruction of the Temple?

[Curious11]

And not once, but twice. But especially the second, how come it did not disappear? Now would be a good time to call your friend @PianistClare

 

[Thom18]

What are you asking? Why people remain Jewish without a temple?

There’s more to Judaism than sacrifice. They don’t see the existence of a temple as a necessary proof for their faith. Just because the second temple is gone (and this applies to the first as well) doesn’t mean that their faith is untrue, and they recognize this.

 

[pianistclare]

Tradition my friend. Devout Jews knew their faith because it had been handed down for eons.
They lives are centered around the Temple. They would not conceive that their G-d would abandon them, And indeed He didn’t.
But don’t quote me, let’s invite everybody’s lovely Jewish friend @Meltzerboy2

 

[Curious11]

Yeah! That’s what I’m talking about! Wubba lubba dub duuuuub!!

 

[Curious11]

But then the Sadducees all but vanished. So at least some Jews thought they were in trouble without a temple. Besides, I’ve heard it’s not obligatory to go to the Synagogue as it would be if there were a temple.

 

[meltzerboy2]

It was not obligatory to go to the Temple even when there was a Temple! Many Jews lived too far away from the Temple, as well as being poor, which made traveling long distances prohibitive. So they established local synagogues in which Jews could worship.

Besides this, as has been noted, Judaism is not dependent on either the Temple or synagogue. The home is a temple itself. When women light Friday night candles to welcome the Sabbath, the kitchen–indeed the entire home–becomes a sacred dwelling, the table an altar on which the candles are placed. In Catholic terms, the ceremony is quite like a Mass, including bread and wine. The glow of the candles can be likened to the Holy Spirit (the “feminine” Shekinah), which makes its presence known throughout the household. The challah must be covered, perhaps for fear that the brightness of the candles might “embarrass” it. Every item has its symbolic and divine value. Moreover, the Jewish woman is the one who lights the candles and she is the one who is responsible for making sure all is in order in the household: preparation for the Sabbath and all other holidays (that is, cleaning the home); kosher food, dishes, utensils; management of the children as well as her husband.

 

[Curious11]

So why did the Sadducees disappear then? Were they attaching far too much importance to the Temple?

 

[Kei]

Judaism was mighty reformed after Christ came.

 

[meltzerboy2]

Perhaps the destruction of the First and Second Temples even reveals more of the truth about Judaism, for two reasons. The first reason is that G-d is always testing the Jewish people to prove their fidelity. And the second reason–which is related–is that the Jewish people have become stronger due to the adversities they have faced.

 

[meltzerboy2]

You have, in a sense, answered your own question. The very fact Judaism has not disappeared despite the destruction of the Temple attests to the intervention of G-d on behalf of His Chosen People. The latter expression has come to mean by those who do not know that the Jews think of themselves as superior and more worthy than other people. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, “chosen” means bearing responsibility for serving G-d and helping others as best one can by bringing the ethical message of the Law to everyone, not by forced conversion to Judaism but by means of good deeds and moral behavior.

 

[Curious11]

Okay, so did the Sadducees disappear because they misunderstood Judaism and gave too much attention to the Temple?

And also, Jews are not a race, right? So not only was the Holocaust immensely cruel but also immensely meaningless , as anyone can become a Jew or apostatize from Judaism, and in fact there were plenty of Jews who were more than sufficiently “Aryan”

 

[meltzerboy2]

Judaism in one form or another survives and, by the grace of G-d, will continue to survive to the end of time–and beyond. None of the sects of ancient times–whether Sadducees, Pharisees, Essenes, or any of the other 20 or so forms of Judaism–is present today. Even though most Jews today (not all, such as the Karaite Jews) follow in the Pharasaic tradition, I don’t know of any Jew who would call themselves a Pharisee. Present-day Judaism also consists of several denominations (or streams), including Traditional Haredi Orthodox, Hasidic Orthodox, Modern Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist, and several others. Not all of these streams will survive; some no doubt will. But the point is Judaism, as a religion, will survive, G-d willing. Just as the interpretation of the Law (Torah) may change somewhat according to the denomination, but the Law itself survives.

 

[Kei]

Catholicism is the fulfillment of Judaism (you may disagree), so there are many similarities.

Like how you needed to sacrifice for atonement of sins for sins against God, but not for other sins, we are forgiven our sins by going to confession for the mortal sins but can be forgiven by making amends for our sins against others.
Similarly we have our own tabernacle with the Eucharist, our own feast days, our own Law code, etc.

Has Judaism survived because they were supposed to, or because “they are a stiff necked people” to quote Exodus?
These are things to consider.

 

[meltzerboy2]

Maybe the Jewish people are supposed to be a stiff-necked people so that they can survive.

 

[Kei]

Perhaps in the world. The Most High seems to use it as a reason for their unwillingness to listen to Him properly, so I am going with it being a bad thing and an impediment to righteousness.

peace

 

[Athanasius_Mary]

Judaism did not survive the destruction of the Temple. Judaism without sacrifices means Judaism without atonement. What follows is a question of authority: did the Pharisees at the Council of Yavne have the authority to redefine the basic norms of Judaism to exclude the Temple cult and define the canon of the Old Testament?

Or did the Church, Hebrew and non, by embracing the Messianic Redemption and the authority of the Messiah as mediated by the Apostle Peter, have the definitive and Divine sanction to continue the priesthood and the sacrifices through the Eucharist?

It’s a question of whether or not post-Temple Rabbinic tradition or Apostolic Tradition from Christ resolves the issue of atonement. As a Christian I can only say that the Talmud is instructive and intellectually interesting (and I enjoy Sephardic music quite a bit, as an aside), but the Kabbalistic tradition stemming from it and the Zohar are utterly foreign to the Scriptures.

Which leaves us with the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

 

[Luke6_37]

Judaism did not survive the destruction of the Temple. Judaism without sacrifices means Judaism without atonement. What follows is a question of authority: did the Pharisees at the Council of Yavne have the authority to redefine the basic norms of Judaism to exclude the Temple cult and define the canon of the Old Testament?

Or did the Church, Hebrew and non, by embracing the Messianic Redemption and the authority of the Messiah as mediated by the Apostle Peter, have the definitive and Divine sanction to continue the priesthood and the sacrifices through the Eucharist?

It’s a question of whether or not post-Temple Rabbinic tradition or Apostolic Tradition from Christ resolves the issue of atonement. As a Christian I can only say that the Talmud is instructive and intellectually interesting (and I enjoy Sephardic music quite a bit, as an aside), but the Kabbalistic tradition stemming from it and the Zohar are utterly foreign to the Scriptures.

Which leaves us with the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

That’s how I see it too. The Rabbinic Judaism we encounter today is a fundamentally different religion than the one Jesus practiced. If Biblical Judaism is the parent religion, then Christianty and Rabbinic Judaism are siblings.

However, Christ’s atonement includes all people, so the question becomes one of grace. Do modern Jews receive the gift of grace through their worship of the one true God and their study of Torah? Given the many beautiful Jewish people I have come to know - many of whom are more Christ-like than some Christians, I would say absolutely. The branches are bearing good fruit.

 

[rose321]

And not once, but twice. But especially the second, how come it did not disappear?

Respectfully opinion only.
Why Judaism survived the destruction of the Temple?
Question is Why did Our Heavenly Father destroy the Temple 2x?
Could the answer to Why Our Heavenly Father destroys the Temple 2x?> be found right within Scripture, > His own Spoken Word, does He tell them why
Great Prophet Isaiah 1:11?
Prophet >Jeremiah 7: 21-22? Suggestion read all of Chapter7?
Prophet Jeremiah 8:1-4?>Has this come to pass yet and whom is he speaking about here condemning, what will be their end?
Peace

 

[rose321]

Judaism without sacrifices means Judaism without atonement.

Commanded repeated all through out the whole Bible what He ask? Repent Repent Repent return to Me and I Will return to you?
Jeremiah 7:21-23? Why does he destroy the Temple x2? Peace

 

[Aulef]

Yochanan ben Zakkai…