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Marie5890
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Re: How is the LDS a cult?
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Originally Posted by kimg901
The highlighted part is funny. If they dont serve, its a slap in the face to the families. Its just like them leaving the church. Shunned, hated, loathed. Many of my current friends who were lds and didnt want to go on no mission were cast aside from their own families and their church because of it.
Not for the women, kimg, not for the women.
“It is not a unity of religion we seek but a union of religious people. We may not be able to meet in the same pew, but we can meet together on our knees (as Christians)”
VENERABEArchbishop Fulton J Sheen.
Im not sure about the women Marie but ill take your word for it
Regular Member Join Date: November 3, 2007
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Re: How is the LDS a cult?
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Originally Posted by kimg901
The highlighted part is funny. If they dont serve, its a slap in the face to the families. Its just like them leaving the church. Shunned, hated, loathed. Many of my current friends who were lds and didnt want to go on no mission were cast aside from their own families and their church because of it.
Not for the women, kimg, not for the women.
“It is not a unity of religion we seek but a union of religious people. We may not be able to meet in the same pew, but we can meet together on our knees (as Christians)”
VENERABEArchbishop Fulton J Sheen.
Im not sure about the women Marie but ill take your word for it
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pablope
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Well…is the LDS a cult or not, was this answered in the thread?
If it is not a cult…then could it be described as cult-like?
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kimg901
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I do not think it was to tell you the truth. Are there certain things they do that seem like a cult? Yes. But they may see us catholics the same way.
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Marie5890
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Great question, considering 1000+ posts in the last thread…Well…is the LDS a cult or not, was this answered in the thread?
If it is not a cult…then could it be described as cult-like?
Depends on 1) the criteria used and 2) who you are asking I guess…
And 3) if one is striving to be Christ-like and a disciple, does it matter?
I ask that considering the example Pope Francis is bringing to the Papacy…
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kimg901
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I think what makes me consider them a cult is having to pay (tithings) in order to be able to go to a temple. If its truly Christ church why would you need to pay to enter it? Wouldnt all be welcome there? What about marriages? If your not mormon (in good standing or a non-mormon) why cant you enter a temple and witness lets say, your loved ones marriage? You must wait outside.
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Marie5890
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Is this something that can be definitively answered or is it only just a matter of opinion?
We know that the Catholic Church does not recognize the LDS baptism as valid. Had it declared the LDS Church a cult?
Does the Catholic Church declare any faith a cult? How does it catagorize the LDS Church ?
We know that the Catholic Church does not recognize the LDS baptism as valid. Had it declared the LDS Church a cult?
Does the Catholic Church declare any faith a cult? How does it catagorize the LDS Church ?
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kimg901
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As Non-Christian from what I know. It has never classified them as a cult. I think its just people that are doing the classification.
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TexanKnight
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The Catholic Church has not, to my knowledge, called the LDS Church a cult. However, how the Catholic Church treats LDS baptisms is exactly how they would treat baptisms from a cult.
One need only look at the teachings of the common heresies to see if the LDS Church fits into those definitions and I believe one would see that it does.
Does that make it a cult? I don’t know. Having been LDS and seeing the temple ceremonies and the blood oaths, and seeing what happened to me and my family when I tried to leave the LDS Church, I can tell you that it sure appeared to be a cult.
One need only look at the teachings of the common heresies to see if the LDS Church fits into those definitions and I believe one would see that it does.
Does that make it a cult? I don’t know. Having been LDS and seeing the temple ceremonies and the blood oaths, and seeing what happened to me and my family when I tried to leave the LDS Church, I can tell you that it sure appeared to be a cult.
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Miriam1947
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What took you so long?
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PaulDupre
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I agree. When I left the LDS in I just believed their teachings were wrong. But then the hatred and harrassment poured out upon me, my wife and even my children by the LDS leaders and members started me looking at them as a dangerous cult.
Normal people don’t behave that way. And you hear and read reports of that kind of abusive retribution from many, many people who leave the LDS.
If people think that the LDS org is a cult , then the LDS have only themselves to blame.
Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
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Marie5890
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Fair observation.
The only thing I can find of where the Vatican has come out and said anything was stating that their baptism is invalid, and telling Catholic pastors not to allow access of records (baptism, marriage) etc. to them once they understood it was for data mining for temple work…
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Marie5890
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To be fair, I had friends while I lived in UT who were converts from Catholicism to Mormonism who experienced the same with problems with their Catholic family members. Caused real painful rifts in families. Often times they were cut off from their Catholic families.
All very sad when that happens. The pain…
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LivingWaters7
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Yes, I experienced/am experiencing this. It wasn’t too serious, like they didn’t disown me, but yes, my parents, especially my mother, remind me periodically how hurtful it is that I left the Faith, I left the fulness of the Truth, etc. This also happened with one of my uncles that left Catholicism for Assemblies of God way back when. My Grandmother was definitely not pleased, and it was a source of contention (my entire family is Catholic and has been for generations). I definitely can’t tell me Grandmother, or even many of my other relatives, that I left Catholicism. I’ve kept it somewhat of a “secret” for the 2 years I’ve been LDS. My mother would be delighted to know that I’m considering coming back to Catholicism.
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Marie5890
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It’s not an uncommon experience, regardless of the faith tradition, for people to experience this when that said faith tradition is essentially being rejected. It can so often be wrapped up in family tradition.Yes, I experienced/am experiencing this. It wasn’t too serious, like they didn’t disown me, but yes, my parents, especially my mother, remind me periodically how hurtful it is that I left the Faith, I left the fulness of the Truth, etc. This also happened with one of my uncles that left Catholicism for Assemblies of God way back when. My Grandmother was definitely not pleased, and it was a source of contention (my entire family is Catholic and has been for generations). I definitely can’t tell me Grandmother, or even many of my other relatives, that I left Catholicism. I’ve kept it somewhat of a “secret” for the 2 years I’ve been LDS. My mother would be delighted to know that I’m considering coming back to Catholicism.
I have a friend in my Parish who became Catholic a few Easter Vigils ago. His is Jewish. His family hasnt been very supportive. He even hid it from them for some time. So much so that when we went to the Cathedral that first Sunday in Lent and the media was there, he didnt want to go on camera because of his fear his parents would see it.
It’s not easy for many people. Deeply painful for some, to reject one faith tradition and to go to another.
I can remember some really choice words my father had when I became Mormon (my family faith tradition is rooted in Italian and Polish) . I found it very deeply hurtful.
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TexanKnight
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Rifts are one thing. Family is one thing. What happened to me was neither. So, to be fair, your comparison is severely lacking.
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zaffiroborant
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In my family (including my husbands family) the only time you will see a rift is when the person who has joined another church relentlessly proselytizes for their new church, this is usually combined with telling us what’s wrong with Catholicism. Every event (wedding, funeral, holiday, family get together, every casual contact “hey Bob can I borrow your circular saw?”) every phone call and e-mail is turned to “my church biblical/good your church non-biblical/evil”. In our case it’s not the leaving that causes a rift it’s proselytizing.
Combine an enthusiastic convert with a church that heavily emphasizes converting friends and family and you have a blueprint on how to build a wedge.
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TexanKnight
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Yes, I have never heard of anyone getting treated by Cathlocs they way I was treated by Mormons…but I HAVE heard of other ex LDs getting treated like I was treated.
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Marie5890
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Great observation!.
I have a Catholic friend who has an interesting twist on this phenomenon. Her mother almost became a Carmelite nun years ago. Well her brother (my friend’s uncle) is part Opus Dei. He really gets on their nerves with how he, um, pushes Opus Dei on them.
(I know very little about Opus Dei, one way or the other, so I have no opinions on it specificially).
They get really really tired of the proselytizing/evangelizing of it…
Some people, when they find something works for them, and works really well, can go overboard with the zeal of building up what works for them. Part of that can be the tearing down of what others believe in. It goes hand in hand with the tremendous zeal they feel and experience.
The whole "on fire’ sort of thing .
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zaffiroborant
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After a while it’s not so much the proselytizing it’s just the tiresomeness of their company. A friend of my husband’s is equally tiresome with his conversation one hit wonder on the subject of raw food diets.Great observation!.
I have a Catholic friend who has an interesting twist on this phenomenon. Her mother almost became a Carmelite nun years ago. Well her brother (my friend’s uncle) is part Opus Dei. He really gets on their nerves with how he, um, pushes Opus Dei on them.
(I know very little about Opus Dei, one way or the other, so I have no opinions on it specificially).
They get really really tired of the proselytizing/evangelizing of it…
Some people, when they find something works for them, and works really well, can go overboard with the zeal of building up what works for them. Part of that can be the tearing down of what others believe in. It goes hand in hand with the tremendous zeal they feel and experience.
The whole "on fire’ sort of thing .
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