How is the LDS a cult?

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Why in the hell would they assume he wasnt a full tithe payer???

Must have been that particular bishop. I highly doubt this is normative, even now.

When I was LDS a person was always taken at their word during either tithing settlement or during a recommend interview. You know, a matter of conscience.
While I doubt it’s standard operating procedures, it isn’t unheard of to bring tax forms to tithing settlement. I know my father does this, though I think on his own accord. I’ve heard stories of those being requested by the Bishop to do so, and this by active LDS members who have no grudges against the church. When I was LDS I never showed my bishop tax records and he never asked me for them.
 
Nor have I (nor have I heard of anyone having to do this).
It seems there is a lot of un-Christian meanness going on against our Mormon brothers and sisters. We can believe that Mormons have an imperfect understanding of Jesus. We can voice many of our differences, but this forum is about mutual respect and understanding, is it not? Let’s try to keep charity in mind when we express ourselves. I am saddened by some of the anonymous sniping that goes on. Any Mormon I have ever known has been a most upstanding person, committed to their familiy and faith, and how their faith tells them to treat other people. Let’s not pretend that they are the only ones who are concerned with money and funding their evangelism. After all, the LOVE of money is the root of all evil, not money itself.
 
It seems there is a lot of un-Christian meanness going on against our Mormon brothers and sisters. We can believe that Mormons have an imperfect understanding of Jesus. We can voice many of our differences, but this forum is about mutual respect and understanding, is it not? Let’s try to keep charity in mind when we express ourselves. I am saddened by some of the anonymous sniping that goes on. Any Mormon I have ever known has been a most upstanding person, committed to their familiy and faith, and how their faith tells them to treat other people. Let’s not pretend that they are the only ones who are concerned with money and funding their evangelism. After all, the LOVE of money is the root of all evil, not money itself.
Its not meaness. It seems that the LDS cant grasp that their whole religion is based on lies. Its not their faults. This is what they have been taught and its enforced to the point that if they dont believe and do what their prophet says they will not inherit the highest levels of heaven. And yes, money is everything to them. If you dont tithe your 10% then you wont be in the 3rd level of heaven and you cant even enter their temples they build. There is alot I could say and I say it from what ive witnessed but its not my soul that may be damned. I pray for them !!!
 
While I doubt it’s standard operating procedures, it isn’t unheard of to bring tax forms to tithing settlement. I know my father does this, though I think on his own accord. I’ve heard stories of those being requested by the Bishop to do so, and this by active LDS members who have no grudges against the church. When I was LDS I never showed my bishop tax records and he never asked me for them.
That may be for tax deductions. My parents are LDS and I believe that since tithing is considered a “charitable” donation, it is tax deductible. I could be wrong though, Im not a tax professional.
 
It seems there is a lot of un-Christian meanness going on against our Mormon brothers and sisters. We can believe that Mormons have an imperfect understanding of Jesus. We can voice many of our differences, but this forum is about mutual respect and understanding, is it not? Let’s try to keep charity in mind when we express ourselves. I am saddened by some of the anonymous sniping that goes on. Any Mormon I have ever known has been a most upstanding person, committed to their familiy and faith, and how their faith tells them to treat other people. Let’s not pretend that they are the only ones who are concerned with money and funding their evangelism. After all, the LOVE of money is the root of all evil, not money itself.
Tolerance is not a Christian virtue. It simply isn’t. When someone surrounds his or herself with a condemning heresy or sin, is your first inclination to comforting them and telling them their beliefs are ok and that you simply don’t agree with them? Then you watch them destroy themselves? That is not Christian. Mormons are not Christians because of their beliefs. The Vatican has made this very clear, just as His Holiness has recently made it clear that protestants do not have Churches because they do not have the four pillars needed to be a Church (protestants have ecclesiastic communities). It’s not being “mean”. It’s being “honest”. Think on the words of St. Toribio. “Christ said I am the Way. He never said I am the custom.”
 
Tolerance is not a Christian virtue. It simply isn’t. When someone surrounds his or herself with a condemning heresy or sin, is your first inclination to comforting them and telling them their beliefs are ok and that you simply don’t agree with them? Then you watch them destroy themselves? That is not Christian. Mormons are not Christians because of their beliefs. The Vatican has made this very clear, just as His Holiness has recently made it clear that protestants do not have Churches because they do not have the four pillars needed to be a Church (protestants have ecclesiastic communities). It’s not being “mean”. It’s being “honest”. Think on the words of St. Toribio. “Christ said I am the Way. He never said I am the custom.”
exactly. If we do not continue to fight against heresy, we are accepting it.
 
I wouldnt call them a cult. I would call them misinformed and deceived though. And as Catholics we should pray for them. :gopray:
 
Why do so many people believe the LDS is a cult? I personally think otherwise. How could a church with nearly 15 million members, be a cult? …
Here’s what a cult is defined as:
  1. A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
  2. A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.
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Kanuck
Hello, interesting topic. However, where did you get your definition of a “cult”? A cult does not have to be small in size nor does it have to direct its worship toward any particular figure. A non-Christian cult is simply a group that calls themselves Christian, but ignores or denies the basic precepts and foundational truths of Christianity. The Morman church, as you will see soon, fits into this category and one would be wise to keep this in mind when conversing with its members.

Short History:
Mormonism began in 1820, when Joseph Smith, Jr., purportedly expe¬rienced a spectacular vision of two celestial personages appearing to him, claiming all existing churches were wrong. One of these apparitions was purportedly the angel Moroni which divulged to Smith the location of gold plates con¬taining the “fullness of the ever¬lasting gospel and were written in “reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics.” Smith was able to read these texts by using a pair of magi¬cal eyeglasses that he used to trans¬late the cryptic writing into English. The result was a new revelation called the Book of Mormon and a new religion called Mormonism.

Theology:
How millions can take the Book of Mormon seriously is almost beyond comprehension. While Smith referred to it as “the most correct of any book on earth, its flaws run the gamut from the serious to the silly. In the category of serious we find that Ether 3:14 (“Behold, I am Jesus Christ, I am the Father and the Son”) is modalistic and militates against Trinitarian theology. In the category of silly is the account in Alma 44 of a man who becomes irate after being scalped and stirs up his soldiers to fight “more powerfully.” And in Ether 15 we read of a man who struggles to catch his breath after having his head cut off. Additionally, the Book of Mormon has been altered over 4,000 times to compensate for Smith’s poor command of English, as well as for the numerous errors and incon¬sistencies it presented.
The second extra biblical revelation, Doctrine and Covenants, a compilation of alleged divine revela¬tions given to the Mormon church, is equally problematic. Among the far-fetched revelations is the doctrine of polygamy. This said, the “new and everlasting covenant” of plural marriage is per¬haps the best example of Mormon equivocation. In 1890, under threat of exile to Mexico, Mormons officially abolished polygamy in the “earthly” realm. However, in secret males continue to be sealed to multiple wives… in the heavenly realm. Thus, the earthly practice of polygamy, publicly promoted by Brigham Young (who personally had 27 wives and 52 children), is now promised to those who attain the highest level of the celestial kingdom. Like their Heavenly Father, Mormon males may hope to one day, too, rule their own personal planets and enjoy endless, celestial sex with multiple goddess wives.
The third authority of the Mormon Canon, the Pearl of Great Price , is no less troubling. It was used for years by Mormons to prevent African-Americans from entering their priest¬hood and consequently from being exalted to “godhood” in the system’s celestial kingdom. While these and other aberrations pose a serious threat to Mormon credibility, it is the organi¬zation’s deviations from essential Christian doctrine which ultimately define it as a non-Christian cult. Major Mormon theological travesties begin with the denial of Christ’s deity. In fact, Christ, according to Mormon theology, has the dubious distinction of being Lucifer’s spirit brother. In addition, Mormonism denies:

The doctrine of original sin, teach¬ing instead that men and women are, in reality, gods in embryo;

Christ’s preservation of His church, teaching instead that the true church vanished from the earth after the death of the apostles, and that Joseph Smith had to restore it with his “latter-day saints;”

The Trinity, affirming instead that God the Father and Jesus have bodies of flesh and bone and that the Trinity is pagan in origin.

The inerrancy of Scripture,

Christ was begotten by the Holy Ghost, teaching that God the Father had relations with Mary

The immutability of God, affirming instead that God was perhaps once child, and mortal like we ourselves

The biblical concept of hell, teaching that all can be rescued.

Even this cursory overview of Mormon history and theology should make it abundantly clear that although Mormons use Christian terminology, both the roots and fruits of their reli¬gion are decidedly unbiblical. It is crucial that Christians learn to scale the Mormon language barrier. It is my prayer that, in the process, you will become so familiar with the truth that when counterfeits loom on the horizon you will be able to recognize them instantaneously. God Bless!
 
I can’t imagine many people on this forum, or many Catholics at all, thinking and feeling that LDS is a cult…because most wanted Mitt Romney to win in the election to be the President of the United States.

And Catholics would NOT vote for a cult member to be our President.

Therefore…it is not a cult.
Hello, DG! No disrespect, but I’m not following the your argument that Mormanism is not a cult because 46% of Catholics voted for Romney.

Most Christians that voted for Romney probably felt that they didn’t have a choice. when you look at Mormanism you see that their human values are similar to those of Christians. This is what Mitt brought to the table. Mormans are generally good people that do good things within society (according to the human paradigm). This doesn’t make them good…I say this because their theology is diametrically opposed to biblical foundations of Christ, His diety, His sonship, and His redemptive work on the cross.

Obama, on the other hand, professes Christianity but his actions and policies often portray that of a pagan.

Was it wrong for Christians to vote for Romney… I don’t know… I do know that those who voted for him was not due to religious theological beliefs but on politics and economics and moral issues. it has nothing to do with the question of whether Mormanism is or is not a non-christian cult.

Please read my last statement just above yours. in it I describe, a brief history, and some theological points on the religion.
 
Hello, DG! No disrespect, but I’m not following the your argument that Mormanism is not a cult because 46% of Catholics voted for Romney.
Hello Garret and welcome!!

Just needed to correct the spelling as it always was a pet peeve of mine… 😃

It’s MormOn, not MormAn. 🙂

Have a peaceful day. 🙂
 
When I leftthe LDS Church in 1989, members of the LDS Church tried to kidnap my children. I was no longer a fit father to raise LDS Children. The people involved were not even admonished.

I later discovered I am not the only person this happened to.

You may not think of the LDS Church as a cult…I have experiences that indicate otherwise.
 
When I leftthe LDS Church in 1989, members of the LDS Church tried to kidnap my children. I was no longer a fit father to raise LDS Children. The people involved were not even admonished.

I later discovered I am not the only person this happened to.

You may not think of the LDS Church as a cult…I have experiences that indicate otherwise.
Have to add “Kidnapping of Children” to post #197.
 
When I leftthe LDS Church in 1989, members of the LDS Church tried to kidnap my children. I was no longer a fit father to raise LDS Children. The people involved were not even admonished.

I later discovered I am not the only person this happened to.

You may not think of the LDS Church as a cult…I have experiences that indicate otherwise.
It’s the Mormon idea that “spirit children” belong to Mormons. Here’s another recent case in the Utah news, where the birth mother lied about the father, who has been trying to get his daughter back. Instead of returning the girl to her father, the Mormon adoptive parents say this:

"On a blog about the case, where the Freis have raised more than $20,000 to help with legal bills, they vow to appeal McDade’s decision, describing the arrival of Achane’s daughter in their lives “a righteous desire blessed to fruition by God.”

“We have not lost our conviction that we are in the right!!!” Kristi Frei wrote after McDade’s Nov. 20 ruling dismissed their adoption petition. “We have only ever wanted to do right by Leah, and have always felt we have been acting in her best interest to keep her with our family and raise her as our own. Our hearts have demanded it — there has never been any question to us that she is OURS!!!”"

Obviously, they’ve had a burning in the bosom.

Chttp://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55373764-78/achane-adoption-bland-child.html.csp

"Achane, 31, still finds the position he is in hard to believe and just wants the baby girl he has met just twice and calls Teleah, the name he picked out before her birth, back.

“I am not a very religious person,” he said in an interview Friday, “but ‘Thou shalt not steal.’ If they prolong it, that is more time away from my daughter. There are precious moments I can’t get back. … It has been a year and a half now. There is no court order saying they have the right to my child. I just won the case. I want to get my daughter and raise my daughter.”"
 
Obviously, they’ve had a burning in the bosom

I call it heartburn after some spicy food 🙂
 
Obviously, they’ve had a burning in the bosom

I call it heartburn after some spicy food 🙂
It’s what happens when you run on feelings. Reason, and even law, contrary to those feelings is ignored.

This is one of the more cultic aspects of Mormonism, IMO. Mormon teaching defines for people what their own feelings mean, rather than teaching the person to assess their own feelings and determine whether or not their feelings align to reality.

I can’t tell you the number of business meetings I’ve been with with LDS members where a (bad) decision is made based on feelings of a few, and relevant facts are completely ignored.

Romney’s unpreparedness for losing the pres. election I also see as a prime example of this. He believed God wanted him to be president, he felt it was his, and so he was unprepared for losing.

“We have a reason for running and it’s because — I believe in my heart that Mitt is going to save America. That, economically, we are in such difficult times, and that he is the person that’s going to pull us through this. I am stalwart and steadfast and positive and confident that still to this day, Mitt is the person who is going to save America.” -Ann Romney
 
I understand completely Rebecca. Ive seen it too and wow. All we can do is pray for these folks.
 
No disrespect taken at all, at all.
I don’t really have an “argument”, just an observation:

Catholics, I assume, are usually smart people?
To vote for a person who is in a cult to be the next President of the United States would be a very un-smart, preposterous thing to do.
Forty-six percent of Catholics voted for Romney.
Romney is Mormon.
Therefore…Mormonism could not be a cult.
Hello again DG! I have a couple questions… you don’t have to answer them on this forum…

What is the definition of a Christian?

Can what we believe about God vary? (i.e. the diety of Jesus, Jesus’ sonship, His work on the cross? the Trinity, the diety of our souls?

What would you call any group that would profess themselves as Christians but secretly follow heretical theologies?
 
Hello Garret and welcome!!

Just needed to correct the spelling as it always was a pet peeve of mine… 😃

It’s MormOn, not MormAn. 🙂

Have a peaceful day. 🙂
Actually, a pet peeve of mine are members that find it necessary to contribute to a public forum by correcting spelling mistakes. If you feel the need to continue correcting spelling errors with me or anyone else may I suggest a private email.
 
No disrespect taken at all, at all.
I don’t really have an “argument”, just an observation:

Catholics, I assume, are usually smart people?
To vote for a person who is in a cult to be the next President of the United States would be a very un-smart, preposterous thing to do.
Forty-six percent of Catholics voted for Romney.
Romney is Mormon.
Therefore…Mormonism could not be a cult.
That is pretty odd logic.

How about this?

Romney belongs to a cult, but could be good for the United States
Obama is destroying this country. Is ruining our economy, and is the worst president since Jimmy Carter.

So, I will vote for the guy who is in a cult over the guy who is ruining the country.

Get it now?
 
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