How is this prophecy of Malachi understood from a protestant perspective.

[Publisher]

They have an altar for “alter calls”. Basically they make people feel bad about themselves until they walk up after deciding to “accept Jesus as their personal Lord and savior.”

The “alter” in evangelical churches use to be called the “mourner’s bench”…it is a place where the repentant come to pray and seek forgiveness from God…the “alter” is symbolic…the “alter of the heart”…they offer themselves as “living sacrifices” because of the One Perfect Sacrifice, Once for All which Christ performed upon the cross…“make people feel bad about themselves”…how else would one “repent” unless one knew and believed one had sinned?

It’s statements like this…and the ones following concerning this that affirms my suspicions…Catholics are as ingnorant of many Protestant practices and beliefs as Protestants are of Catholic practices and beliefs.

 

[tester]

Since Malachi’s prophecy includes the “pure offering,” of which there is only one (Jesus Himself), the Eucharist is the same sacrifice as Calvary. Agree?

it appears that the context is blemished vs. unblemished animals

“But you profane it by saying of the Lord’s table, ‘It is defiled,’ and of its food, ‘It is contemptible.’ 13 And you say, ‘What a burden!’ and you sniff at it contemptuously,” says the LORD Almighty.
**“When you bring injured, crippled or diseased animals and offer them as sacrifices, should I accept them from your hands?” **says the LORD. 14 “Cursed is the cheat who has an acceptable male in his flock and vows to give it, but then sacrifices a blemished animal to the Lord. For I am a great king,” says the LORD Almighty, "and my name is to be feared among the nations.

 

[Chosen777]

" For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. Then said they into him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst." John 6:33-35.

“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life…” John 6:40

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” John 6:63
Jesus was talking spiritually, not physically. He was explaining that spiritually, all life comes through faith in Him, not eating His body.

“For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.” 1 Corinthians 11:23-24

 

[Cat_Herder]

" For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. Then said they into him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst." John 6:33-35.

“And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life…” John 6:40

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.” John 6:63
Jesus was talking spiritually, not physically. He was explaining that spiritually, all life comes through faith in Him, not eating His body.

So the flesh of Jesus is of no avail?

 

[Cat_Herder]

it appears that the context is blemished vs. unblemished animals

“But you profane it by saying of the Lord’s table, ‘It is defiled,’ and of its food, ‘It is contemptible.’ 13 And you say, ‘What a burden!’ and you sniff at it contemptuously,” says the LORD Almighty.
**“When you bring injured, crippled or diseased animals and offer them as sacrifices, should I accept them from your hands?” **says the LORD. 14 “Cursed is the cheat who has an acceptable male in his flock and vows to give it, but then sacrifices a blemished animal to the Lord. For I am a great king,” says the LORD Almighty, "and my name is to be feared among the nations.

Was the Lord’s name feared among the nations at this time? Was sacrifice being offered to Him by any nation?

 

[joe370]

I was really hoping a non-Catholic would address this question…

 

[Chosen777]

So the flesh of Jesus is of no avail?

His flesh and blood was sacrificed on the cross that we may be saved. His flesh and blood saved us and the sacrifice can’t be repeated because he is risen and is living. I worship a living God not a dead one or one that constantly die. His sacrifice was perfect and he has become our high priest. Read Hebrew 8 for the high priest part. His ressurection is an assurance that we will be ressurected. He conquered death, he can’t die again. Know that he’s a perfect sacrifice, he won’t repeat it again. If you think his sacrifice on the cross wasn’t enough, then u make him a lier.

 

[Cat_Herder]

His flesh and blood was sacrificed on the cross that we may be saved. His flesh and blood saved us and the sacrifice can’t be repeated because he is risen and is living.

Malachi 1:11 requires the sacrifice to be re-offered.

I worship a living God not a dead one or one that constantly die.

You do not understand what is going on at the Mass. Jesus does not die again. It is essentially Holy Spirit-assisted time travel to Calvary, not another Calvary or a different sacrifice from Calvary.

If you think his sacrifice on the cross wasn’t enough, then u make him a lier.

He is the One who commanded the Eucharist to be offered.

 

[joe370]

Chosen, perhaps you could simply address my original question here? Thanks friend…

His flesh and blood was sacrificed on the cross that we may be saved. His flesh and blood saved us and the sacrifice can’t be repeated because he is risen and is living. I worship a living God not a dead one or one that constantly die. His sacrifice was perfect and he has become our high priest. Read Hebrew 8 for the high priest part. His ressurection is an assurance that we will be ressurected. He conquered death, he can’t die again. Know that he’s a perfect sacrifice, he won’t repeat it again. If you think his sacrifice on the cross wasn’t enough, then u make him a lier.

 

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[agapewarrior]

I’m neither Protestant nor Catholic, but I am both–so I suppose that qualifies me to cast my opinion into the mix. I use the word mix and not arena because we are all Christians and walk in a special charity and goodness that only God’s love could inspire. On to the topic.

The easiest way for me to break this to you is that the original Hebrew text does not refer to this as a prophecy concerning the New Covenant. The passage in Malachi refers to the present tense for the prophet and it was concerning the bloodless offerings that many pagans at the time practiced around the world, shaming the Judean’s bloody sacrifices. Had the prophecy been relating to the future I would have no argument against it’s validity in the current church. God bless!

 

[Cat_Herder]

I’m neither Protestant nor Catholic, but I am both–so I suppose that qualifies me to cast my opinion into the mix. I use the word mix and not arena because we are all Christians and walk in a special charity and goodness that only God’s love could inspire. On to the topic.

The easiest way for me to break this to you is that the original Hebrew text does not refer to this as a prophecy concerning the New Covenant. The passage in Malachi refers to the present tense for the prophet and it was concerning the bloodless offerings that many pagans at the time practiced around the world, shaming the Judean’s bloody sacrifices. Had the prophecy been relating to the future I would have no argument against it’s validity in the current church. God bless!

Two problems:

1. None of the Jewish offerings were truly clean or pure, see Hebrews 10
2. God’s name was NOT great among the nations in Malachi’s time. They were too busy worshiping idols.

 

[benidict]

A question for non-Catholics:

The Catholic Church of the first 3 centuries viewed the breaking of the bread as a true sacrifice. The early Church (CC) - recognized the Eucharist as a fulfillment of a prophecy of Malachi. Here is the passage:

How is this prophecy of Malachi understood from a protestant perspective, and does that perspective align with what the ECF’s taught and believed? Lastly, did the ECF’s have another interpretation of the prophecy of Malachi that I am unaware of, and if so, could you please provide the quote? Thanks…

Justin does not seem to pull any punches here in his interpretation of Malachi’s prophecy.

The Eucharist below, is referred to as an “oblation” (which is common in the writings of the Early Church Fathers), and although Irenaeus describes many oblations done by Christians “in spirit and in truth” and not according to the Law of Moses (which was nailed to the cross with Christ, Him having fulfilled it), nevertheless we can see a specific “oblation in the new covenant” (the Eucharist) - which is linked here to the prophecy of Malachi which we have been focusing on.

Augustine does not seem to mince his words either in what is foretold in this prophecy - namely that the sacrifices of the Old Covenant would be replaced by the sacrifice of the New. The former foreshadowing the latter as we learn in the letter to the Hebrews.

wow! great minds think alike! lol! ive brought this up to them too. now i know im not nuts… i see it exactly as you do. Peace