How Jesus fullfilled the law

[wiggbuggie]

Matthew 5:17 -Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

So how does the law of Moses point to Jesus? The law isn’t simply the 10 commandments in jewish tradition there is 613 Mitzvot or commands:

jewfaq.org/613.htm

the law can be broken down to 3 neat categories ( moral law, ceremonial law, and civil law)

The moral law is wisdom itself and Christ is wisdom (word) incarnate. We know that killing no matter what country, culture you live in is never good. The moral law is to be kept by everyone forever and wisdom (jesus) will always be here.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away

The ceremonial law was fullfilled and also completed in Christ. The jews don’t follow the ceremonial laws anymore because the temple was destroyed, but Christ is the third and final temple. All the rituals and sacrifices revolve around the slaughter of lambs for the blood to atone the sins of the people. Christ is the eternal passover lamb. Much of the ceremonial prefigures Jesus at calvary.

John 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

Hebrews 10:4 because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

The civil law is how we should conduct amongst our neighbors and civil authorities. Again Jesus left us many examples of caring for the poor and widows and parables such as the good samaratin. Showing how we ought to live

 

[patrick457]

Matthew 5:17 -Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

So how does the law of Moses point to Jesus? The law isn’t simply the 10 commandments in jewish tradition there is 613 Mitzvot or commands:

jewfaq.org/613.htm

I think I should add that the ‘ten commandments’ are not “commandments” or miṣwoth (mitzvot) at all per se, but the “ten words” (i.e. ‘ten sayings’, ‘ten declarations’, etc.)

 

[XiWang717]

Matthew 5:17 -Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

So how does the law of Moses point to Jesus? The law isn’t simply the 10 commandments in jewish tradition there is 613 Mitzvot or commands:

jewfaq.org/613.htm

the law can be broken down to 3 neat categories ( moral law, ceremonial law, and civil law)

The moral law is wisdom itself and Christ is wisdom (word) incarnate. We know that killing no matter what country, culture you live in is never good. The moral law is to be kept by everyone forever and wisdom (jesus) will always be here.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away

The ceremonial law was fullfilled and also completed in Christ. The jews don’t follow the ceremonial laws anymore because the temple was destroyed, but Christ is the third and final temple. All the rituals and sacrifices revolve around the slaughter of lambs for the blood to atone the sins of the people. Christ is the eternal passover lamb. Much of the ceremonial prefigures Jesus at calvary.

John 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

Hebrews 10:4 because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

The civil law is how we should conduct amongst our neighbors and civil authorities. Again Jesus left us many examples of caring for the poor and widows and parables such as the good samaratin. Showing how we ought to live

I personally feel that many aspects of the elder Judaic law are much outdated, to say the least. The Temple has long since fallen, the Tribes have scattered to the four winds, and, what is more, surely the Jews no longer sacrifice animals to repent of their iniquities?

 

[InJesusItrust]

I heard a homily that stated that the ten commandments are the letter of the law but the beatitudes are the spirit of the law. The pharisees kept the letter but not the spirit. Jesus’ teachings revolve around the beatitudes. Christians now worship God in spirit and truth. The law is then put into completion.

 

[ConstantineTG]

The Law was established for a way for the people of Israel to repent and to gain forgiveness for their sins. But the forgiveness of their sins from their animal sacrifices and following the Mosaic Law did not gain them eternal life. Only the sacrifice of Christ forgave all sins and gave eternal life for all. The law was meant for the salvation of man and through Christ it was achieved.

 

[Eglantine]

Matthew 5:17 -Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

So how does the law of Moses point to Jesus? The law isn’t simply the 10 commandments in jewish tradition there is 613 Mitzvot or commands:

jewfaq.org/613.htm

the law can be broken down to 3 neat categories ( moral law, ceremonial law, and civil law)

The moral law is wisdom itself and Christ is wisdom (word) incarnate. We know that killing no matter what country, culture you live in is never good. The moral law is to be kept by everyone forever and wisdom (jesus) will always be here.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away

The ceremonial law was fullfilled and also completed in Christ. The jews don’t follow the ceremonial laws anymore because the temple was destroyed, but Christ is the third and final temple. All the rituals and sacrifices revolve around the slaughter of lambs for the blood to atone the sins of the people. Christ is the eternal passover lamb. Much of the ceremonial prefigures Jesus at calvary.

John 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.”

Hebrews 10:4 because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

The civil law is how we should conduct amongst our neighbors and civil authorities. Again Jesus left us many examples of caring for the poor and widows and parables such as the good samaratin. Showing how we ought to live

Scripture prophecy says that the Temple will be rebuilt and sacrifices will again be offered. Also, the idea that the ‘Law’ required fulfillment is false. And the spirit of the Law is contained within the letter of the Law. Also the Paschal Lamb was slaughtered because it was an Egyptian deity. Nor did Jesus fulfil any of the criteria for the Paschal Lamb. Firstly only the Jews could sacrifice the Paschal Lamb, in the Temple. The Roman crucified Jesus. jewsforjudaism.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46:did-jesus-fulfill-the-law-the-torah&catid=43:atonement&Itemid=487

 

[fhansen]

Jesus often broke the letter of the Law but fulfilled the spirit of it nonetheless, for example in Matt 12:1 where the disciples were allowed to pick and eat grain on the sabbath. The spirit of the Law is fulfilled when the greatest commandments, the love of God and neighbor, which sum up the Law and the Prophets, are fulfilled. In all ways Jesus always did the wiill of His Father.

 

[wiggbuggie]

I personally feel that many aspects of the elder Judaic law are much outdated, to say the least. The Temple has long since fallen, the Tribes have scattered to the four winds, and, what is more, surely the Jews no longer sacrifice animals to repent of their iniquities?

As I said in my post all the laws regarding temple worship/sacrifice was fullfilled in Jesus since he is our one and eternal sacrifice. The moral law on the other hand is never outdated

 

[wiggbuggie]

Scripture prophecy says that the Temple will be rebuilt and sacrifices will again be offered. Also, the idea that the ‘Law’ required fulfillment is false. And the spirit of the Law is contained within the letter of the Law. Also the Paschal Lamb was slaughtered because it was an Egyptian deity. Nor did Jesus fulfil any of the criteria for the Paschal Lamb. Firstly only the Jews could sacrifice the Paschal Lamb, in the Temple. The Roman crucified Jesus. jewsforjudaism.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46:did-jesus-fulfill-the-law-the-torah&catid=43:atonement&Itemid=487

Firstly the Jews weren’t allowed to crucify somebody thats why they used pontius pilate or the roman officials, but it was the elders who condemned him to the cross during the passover. The law was also given as temporary until the one who would fullfill God’s promises will come (Jesus) galatians 3

 

[Eglantine]

Well firstly to say the Law of Moses is ‘old testament’ and not eternal goes against the whole of Hebrew Scripture which Christians claim to believe is the Word of G-d. See some refs here as to the eternal Torah: sagavyah.tripod.com/id9.html

Bear in mind that many end times prophecies also make clear that G-d will regather the Jews in Israel and reinstitute sacrifice in the Temple, and destroy the two great false religions who try to take Israel fro them, the idol worshippers of wood (Xtianity) and stone (Islam) and when (Zecharia 8:23) 'ten men of every nation will take hold of the skirt of a Jew and say, ‘Let us come with you, for we know that G-d is with you’.

The NT may claim it has been replaced or ‘fulfilled’ (as does Islam) but this goes directly against Hebrew Scripture. Nor can the teaching of Moses, which came directly from G-d (not from some NT writers no one knew) and witnessed by the whole of Israel at the foot of Mount Sinae, be made more perfect: "The Torah of the L-RD is whole, restoring the soul; Psalm 19:7

 

[InJesusItrust]

What do you make of the claim of Malachi that God will not accept offerings from Jews but a CLEAN sacrifice from Gentiles from east to west (not just in Jerusalem)? This is obviously the sacrifice of the mass and the Lamb of God, not regular animals.

The rejected one became the cornerstone.

 

[Eglantine]

What is the chapter and verse in Malachi?

 

[Eglantine]

Firstly the Jews weren’t allowed to crucify somebody thats why they used pontius pilate or the roman officials, but it was the elders who condemned him to the cross during the passover. The law was also given as temporary until the one who would fullfill God’s promises will come (Jesus) galatians 3

Almost every page of the Torah makes clear - and this is repeated by the prophets - that the Torah is ETERNAL. Nowhere in Scripture does it say otherwise, apart from the ‘NT’ which is no more Scripture than the Koran.

 

[InJesusItrust]

What is the chapter and verse in Malachi?

Malachi 1:11-14

I feel that the reason Jews do not accept Jesus is the same reason Protestants cannot accept the Eucharist is flesh: the claims are too hard to accept. A suffering messiah is a hard saying and even Jesus rebuked Peter for not being able to accept the cross although he believed Jesus was the messiah (Get behind me Satan!). The cross is a sign of contradiction to the world.

 

[Eglantine]

Malachi 1:11-14

I feel that the reason Jews do not accept Jesus is the same reason Protestants cannot accept the Eucharist is flesh: the claims are too hard to accept. A suffering messiah is a hard saying and even Jesus rebuked Peter for not being able to accept the cross although he believed Jesus was the messiah (Get behind me Satan!). The cross is a sign of contradiction to the world.

You are extraordinarily ignorant of Scripture, in that case. The Jews rejected Jesus because firstly he did not fulfil the prophecies about the messiah and was not even of the seed of David, unless you believe Joseph was his father. His mother came from a line that was condemned never to produce the Mosiach. Also Jews were warned about JC in the oral tradition, which I will not go into as it is a sin to teach Torah to gentiles, who will twist and abuse it. In written tradition, Scripture, it is made clear that no one should follow or believe in a prophet because he performs wonders and miracles, which is exactly the claim JC makes for his authority. Then you have the ‘witnesses’ who weren’t even Jewish, th gospel writers, and Paul who also was not Jewish, despite his claims. All of the prophets were confirmed as prophets by the Jewish nation. We accept their word on this but reject it for this one ‘prophet’. Go figure. And what followed wasn’t a better world but 2000 years of Jewish bloodshed. Even now your pope is trying to take Jerusalem and Israel from the Jews, knowing it is a refugee state and they have nowhere else to go to escape from Christian ‘love’.

 

[InJesusItrust]

If I am ignorant, you are hard-hearted. Read your own Torah with an open mind and not following the leaven of the Pharisees and tell me which is more evident.

 

[wiggbuggie]

Almost every page of the Torah makes clear - and this is repeated by the prophets - that the Torah is ETERNAL. Nowhere in Scripture does it say otherwise, apart from the ‘NT’ which is no more Scripture than the Koran.

Jeremiah 31:31–34

“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[a] them,**”
declares the Lord.
33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

God will make a new covenant making the older one obsolete. And people will worship the lord in spirt and truth not by the letter as st paul explains

2 Corinthians 3

Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, like some people, letters of recommendation to you or from you? 2 You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone. 3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

4 Such confidence we have through Christ before God. 5 Not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything for ourselves, but our competence comes from God. 6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.**

 

[YKohen]

wiggbuggie,

meltzerboy dealt with that one here.

I would just note that this covenant, like the ones mentioned elsewhere, is exclusively with “the house of Israel and with the house of Judah”- which you certainly don’t believe that the New Testament is. And nowhere does it talk of anything being “obsolete”.

See Psalm 105:

**8. He remembered His covenant forever, the word He had commanded to the thousandth generation.

1. Which He had made with Abraham, and His oath to Isaac
2. And He set it up to Jacob as a statute, to Israel as an everlasting covenant**

And I Chronicles 16:

***13. The seed of Israel His servant, the children of Jacob, His chosen ones.

1. He is the Lord our God; throughout the earth are His judgments.
2. Remember His covenant forever*, the word which He commanded to a thousand generations.
3. [The covenant] which He had made with Abraham, and His oath to Isaac.
4. And He set it up for Jacob as a statute, to Israel as an everlasting covenant.**

Also, you seemed to have missed another important point besides the exclusivity of this covenenant with Israel, and Israel alone:

32. For this is the covenant that I will form with the house of Israel after those days, says the L-rd: I will place My law in their midst and I will inscribe it upon their hearts, and I will be their G-d and they shall be My nation.

We will obey His law- i.e. the commandments, He will be our G-d, and we will be His nation.

 

[Eglantine]

Proof from the Torah that the NT is false. Let’s see how long you sheep are allowed to see this.
noahide-ancient-path.co.uk/index.php/category/articles-by/proof-from-the-torah-and-tanach-that-the-new-testament-is-not-the-truth/

 

[patrick457]

Firstly the Jews weren’t allowed to crucify somebody thats why they used pontius pilate or the roman officials, but it was the elders who condemned him to the cross during the passover.

How did these first Roman governors in Palestine conduct their administration? Coponius and his successors lived in one of Herod’s palaces in Herod’s most agreeable city, Caesarea on the Mediterranean, which was heavily gentile. There they had most of the amenities of home. There, too, were the Roman troops, about 3,000 of them, not enough to put down a serious uprising, but enough for minor riots limited to only one City. [51: See Schurer, *HJP, vol. 1, pp. 363f.] There were, we recall, more than 20,000 troops in Syria. In addition to the cohorts settled in Caesarea, there was a garrison in a fort next to the temple complex in Jerusalem, but its soldiers seldom had police duties. A few other very small garrisons were established in existing forts in other parts of the country. [52: *Ibid., pp. 365f.] Those troops, too, had no regular police duties.

…] During the forty-five or so weeks of each year that the Roman knight and his troops were not in Jerusalem, who policed the city and who was responsible for local government? The high priest, assisted by other aristocrats, many of whom were also priests. Police duties were the responsibility of the high priest’s guards. The high priest during Jesus’ adulthood was the very successful Joseph Caiphas, who held office for seventeen years, longer than any other high priest of the Roman period.

Why would Rome decide to govern this difficult area through the local priesthood? Actually, the priests were not their first choice; they preferred a strongman, like Herod, but, in the absence of such, they fell back on the region’s own tradition: rule by the aristocracy, especially the priestly aristocracy.

For over 400 years, from the late 6th or early 5th century BCE to 37 BCE, when Herod conquered Jerusalem, the Jews in Palestine had been governed by a priestly aristocracy. The biblical stories of Saul, David, Solomon, and their successors are so well known that we think of Israel as usually being a monarchy. That is an error, probably caused by the simple fact that our Bible contains many more books that reflect the period of the monarchy than the subsequent period, when priests ruled Jerusalem and Judea under a remote and usually non-interfering empire-successively Persia, Alexander the Great, Ptolemaic Egypt, and Seleucid Syria. About as many years had passed under high priestly rule as under monarchical rule, and the priestly years were very recent. First-century Jews in Palestine had before them only two historical models of government: monarchy and priestly aristocratic oligarchy. Many, many Jews preferred the aristocracy to a monarchy, since kings tended to be dictators. Many Palestinian Jews disliked both of the two recent royal families, the Hasmoneans and the Herodians. Most of the high priests had been more collegial rulers than Herod and Archelaus, and most Jews also knew that the priests would interfere with even fewer aspects of their culture than had Herod and Archelaus. Consequently, a lot of Jews preferred the new arrangement in Jerusalem and Judea. There was a remote empire, represented on Palestinian soil by one Roman of rank (supported by a handful of troops). [53: After Herod and Archelaus, “the constitution became an aristocracy, and the high priests were entrusted with the leadership of the nation” (*Antiq. 20.251). See also Josephus’ description of Jewish government after Pompey’s conquest: With Hyrcanus as high priest, and the appointment of five regional councils, “the people were removed from monarchic rule and lived under an aristocracy” (Antiq. 14.91, War 1.170). Aristocracy as a form of government was opposite the despotic rule of one man, especially a king (cf., the revolt against Claudius, War 2.205). In one passage, Josephus calls this government, which he himself very much preferred, a “theocracy,” rule by God (Apion 2.165)–since the head of the government was the high priest, and most of the other aristocrats were priests.] This Roman and his small military force lived among a lot of other gentiles in Caesarea, seldom came to Jerusalem, and did nothing to plant Greco-Roman laws and customs in the Jewish parts of the country. In place of Roman officials in all the main cities of Palestine and of Roman soldiers patrolling the towns and villages, motivating shopkeepers and farmers to cater to their tastes, we should think of one Roman official, protected by a few Roman soldiers, living in or around one city, with only very small outposts occupying forts in potentially hostile territory–rather like the U.S. cavalry in Indian territory. Effective rule was in the hands of local aristocrats. This was true in smaller communities as well as in Jerusalem. Throughout the province of Judea, cities, towns, and villages were locally governed by leading local citizens.

Just how did this government actually work? In the first place, the aristocrats had to get along well with the prefect or procurator. They needed his backing when there was trouble, and they could not cross him in any way. They mediated between prefect and people, presenting the behavior of the populace to the prefect in a good light. On the other hand, they also had to keep the masses from offending Rome too much. If Roman soldiers and Jewish crowds came together and blood was spilled, the aristocrats failed. On the whole, they seem to have succeeded quite well.

• E.P. Sanders, Jesus in Historical Context