It doesn’t seem to me as if the family had a real though he was “cured.” After he was back from treatment is when they built their new house where you had to go through the Master Bedroom to get to the girls’ room and also locked them in at night. The boys were on the opposite side of the house from the girls. As far away as you could build it.I agree. At 14 people like Josh are very mallable. They might do stupid things, but they can often be easily cured of those behaviors.
Well I guess that’s something I didn’t know and is an interesting point. But then I don’t know much about them. I only know about my own experiences.It doesn’t seem to me as if the family had a real though he was “cured.” After he was back from treatment is when they built their new house where you had to go through the Master Bedroom to get to the girls’ room and also locked them in at night. The boys were on the opposite side of the house from the girls. As far away as you could build it.
Just a thought.
Mary.
So first we are told that the Duggars are evil because they didn’t care that he might go on molesting his sisters.It doesn’t seem to me as if the family had a real though he was “cured.” After he was back from treatment is when they built their new house where you had to go through the Master Bedroom to get to the girls’ room and also locked them in at night. The boys were on the opposite side of the house from the girls. As far away as you could build it.
Just a thought.
Mary.
Hopefully, the bursting of the Duggar media bubble means we’ll never hear of them again.At least the show has been cancelled, as of this morning’s news. Perhaps it will give them time to sort this out.
I guess one big question lingering for me is that the Duggars were (and still are) held up as the epitome of Christian values. They are family focused, no birth control, patriarchal, Bible believing, church-going, sexual morality that is very black and white (purity based), etc.I don’t know much about the family. Never saw the show (can’t stand so-called “reality” TV), but I did see commercials for it, and I heard about them from others. They seem to epitomize “dysfunctional.”
Exactly. I agree.So first we are told that the Duggars are evil because they didn’t care that he might go on molesting his sisters.
Now the fact that they took precautions in case he did relapse is also to be counted against them? (Although locking your daughters in at night is not a good thing to do–I don’t defend that at all.)
And the other poster used the word “stupid.” What he did wasn’t stupid. It was evil. (Well, it was stupid too, no doubt.)
But I believe in the possibility of redemption for everyone, and obviously there’s a lot more hope when talking about someone whose brain still hasn’t finished growing.
Edwin
Held up by whom to whom?I guess one big question lingering for me is that the Duggars were (and still are) held up as the epitome of Christian values. They are family focused, no birth control, patriarchal, Bible believing, church-going, sexual morality that is very black and white (purity based), etc.
Why are we seeing a flaw in all that if that is the high standard many religious people (both RCs and non-RCs) hold to?
How long do you think precautions should be taken after treatment? What about his own children now? I don’t count that “against them” nor did I state as such but it does lend thought that they have concerns which many share. Is he safe around children?So first we are told that the Duggars are evil because they didn’t care that he might go on molesting his sisters.
Now the fact that they took precautions in case he did relapse is also to be counted against them? (Although locking your daughters in at night is not a good thing to do–I don’t defend that at all.)
And the other poster used the word “stupid.” What he did wasn’t stupid. It was evil. (Well, it was stupid too, no doubt.)
But I believe in the possibility of redemption for everyone, and obviously there’s a lot more hope when talking about someone whose brain still hasn’t finished growing.
Edwin
These are extremely valid concerns.How long do you think precautions should be taken after treatment? What about his own children now? I don’t count that “against them” nor did I state as such but it does lend thought that they have concerns which many share. Is he safe around children?
There is redemption for everyone of course. I haven’t seen one poster state otherwise.
Mary.
What comments of judgment do you refer to? Surely there is concern about someone’s actions of sexual sin against another. I have never heard any Catholic condone the way the Church handled sex abuse scandals but express dismay, disappointment and hoping the victims were compensated and priests held accountable to the law and Church law as well.perhaps we should all take the planks out of our own eyes(church) before we cast this sort of judgement on this young man. Look in your own back yards and how the church has handled its own sexual abuse scandals that have run rampant all over the world. Priests that were passed on to other parishes to rape and molest innocents. Swept under the carpet like it never happened. I am disgusted with these comments of judgement.
Just because the Catholic Church did something wrong doesn’t mean Josh Duggar should not be held accountable for his actions. That akin to saying that because one man was falsely accused and went to prison, we should not prosecute those charged with criminal actions any longer.perhaps we should all take the planks out of our own eyes(church) before we cast this sort of judgement on this young man. Look in your own back yards and how the church has handled its own sexual abuse scandals that have run rampant all over the world. Priests that were passed on to other parishes to rape and molest innocents. Swept under the carpet like it never happened. I am disgusted with these comments of judgement.
Exactly. I agree 100%.I was abused by my older brother, in a similar way. He got away with it, too, because I was too scared of my mom’s rejection. It was a crime and he should have been punished in the juvenile system. He was disrespectful of women for many years, including a possible date rape situation in college (hearsay only). There is no way to justify stealing a child’s innocence. He spent time in jail for other crimes and has turned his life around, thank goodness. We are close now and I have forgiven him. However, he should have been corrected back then. He could have avoided a lot of pain, both the kind he inflicted on others and what he carried himself.
At 14 I think I was a lot like Josh. I didn’t do what he did exactly, but I thought a lot about it–and maybe I would have done if there had been more opportunity. I don’t think it would have been good to process me through the sytem and try me like I was a criminal. I would never have recovered from that.Just because the Catholic Church did something wrong doesn’t mean Josh Duggar should not be held accountable for his actions. That akin to saying that because one man was falsely accused and went to prison, we should not prosecute those charged with criminal actions any longer.
The Catholic Church has cleaned its own house. Any priest now accused of molestation is immediately relieved of his duties pending an investigation. At least it’s that way in the dioceses where I’ve lived. I can’t attest to the procedure in all of them.
Josh Duggar is, by his own admission, a child molester. It would be wrong if society did not hold him accountable for these crimes, and they are criminal acts. His parents were complicit in a cover up.
What we can’t do is judge his heart and his own personal relationship to God. That is for God to do.
Another wonderful posts from you. They justice system does sometimes fail to punish criminals as it should, and sometimes it unfairly convicts the innocent. But the criminal justice system, as you have stated, is about helping victims as well. The victims, if their recent TV interviews are a true indication, have distorted the facts and have been greatly injured by the happenings of several years prior, as would be expected. They deserved time away from their abuser so they could, as you indicated, come to a full understanding of what occurred and heal.It depends on the juvenile justice system, but actually, the recommendation by experts is separation from the victim(s). While I understand your sympathetic and Christian response, it isn’t just about the abuser. The victims need time and counseling to understand what has happened and perhaps to understand why it was wrong. The abuser needs to be removed temporarily from the house into juvenile detention, depending on the seriousness of the incident(s), (were threats made, whether there was coercion or weapons involved). For less severe incidents, he may instead be sent to live with a relative for a short time until the victims have been counseled. That’s what should have happened.
people.com/article/josh-duggar-infidelity-pornography-addiction-statementJosh Duggar Admits Infidelity and Pornography Addiction: ‘I Have Been the Biggest Hypocrite Ever’