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I’m not doing three rounds with you on this again. I’m sure everyone is aware, at this point, that** you disapprove of this practice** and that you have many sources that you feel support your disapproval.

Your disapproval, however, is not the official Church position and I think it is inappropriate for you to consistently contradict local priests because you’ve dislike the practice. If the OP’s priest did not want her coming forward for a blessing, I’m sure he would mention it. Until then, she should not be made to feel as if she is doing anything wrong by following the instruction or guidance of her local priest.
Again you jump to baseless conclusions. It is irrelevant if anyone disapproves or not. Catholics are free to disagree with disciplines but they must nevertheless be accepted.The point is whether it is permitted or not and the CDW states that existing Church disciplines do not permit it.
If you have a beef with this you should take it up with the CDW.
 
People who gossip about those who abstain along with nosey, thoughtless parents must be the cause of many sins of sacrilege.
 
Just remember to genuinely repent & have the genuine desire in your heart to not sin again, & God will forgive you.
Is that what the Bible teaches? That prayer is effective for absolving mortal sin?
This coming from a former devout Catholic & altar boy. 👍
Devout? Perhaps. Well-catechized? Apparently not. 🤷
 
For over 2 years including RCIA i never went up for a blessing, even though told i could several times. I learned to sit at the end of the pew, whenever the usher got to our pew, i would stand on the outside of the usher with my head down and hands folded together until everyone was out then i would return to the pew and pray. I never got the feeling i was being judged, everyone was very respectful and since most people sit in the same area Mass after Mass, most all those around me knew the routine. Even now i have times when i dont go forward and i do the same thing. Its simple, it isnt awkward, and like i said, i never feel like i am being judged.
i think some people are too concerned about what others may be thinking. in fact i bet most parishioners are not really concerned with who does or does not receive communion.
 
This^^
I used to think I’d rather miss Mass than be embarrassed walking in late. It finally dawned on me my pride was a bigger sin than being late for Mass.
👍 most of us worry too much what others think. That is pride my most common sin. It can hide in false humlity or not wanting to e a bother or "I odn’t want anyone to think I am pushing myself forward or think I am a sinner (yeah big surprise)
 
well I asked my parish priest about that and he said the same thing, its a communion line only and everyone gets a blessing at the end of mass.
I think you’ve made this opinion well-known in every thread in which the blessing gets even circumstantially mentioned. It is not doctrine, and as hasbeen pointed out several times going forward for a blessing is accepted by many in the Church (including Pope Emeritus Benedict). If the OP’s church allows or encourages parishioners to come forward for a blessing, then s/he should feel free to do so.
 
For over 2 years including RCIA i never went up for a blessing, even though told i could several times. I learned to sit at the end of the pew, whenever the usher got to our pew, i would stand on the outside of the usher with my head down and hands folded together until everyone was out then i would return to the pew and pray. I never got the feeling i was being judged, everyone was very respectful and since most people sit in the same area Mass after Mass, most all those around me knew the routine. Even now i have times when i dont go forward and i do the same thing. Its simple, it isnt awkward, and like i said, i never feel like i am being judged.
i think some people are too concerned about what others may be thinking. in fact i bet most parishioners are not really concerned with who does or does not receive communion.
I think this is a great way of handling it. I recall never being the least concerned with whether or not anyone was receiving, but the issue was having to awkwardly crawl over anyone on the way in or out of the pew.

Doing the thing that is least likely to upset the flow and dignity of the Mass seems best. One can very easily get out and let others pass, and do likewise to let people return to the pew, or just sit on the end, everyone still has room to get into their relative positions for the remainder of the Mass.
 
Is that what the Bible teaches? That prayer is effective for absolving mortal sin?

Devout? Perhaps. Well-catechized? Apparently not. 🤷
Yes, prayer is (or can be at least) effective for absolving mortal sin.

From the Catechism:

"Among the penitent’s acts contrition occupies first place. Contrition is "sorrow of the soul and detestation for the sin committed, together with the resolution not to sin again."50

1452 When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called “perfect” (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.51

Note that forgiveness is obtained through “resolution” to go to to confession (i.e. the thought) not by the actual going to confession. If you die en route to confession, you’re still absolved.
 
Is that what the Bible teaches? That prayer is effective for absolving mortal sin?

Devout? Perhaps. Well-catechized? Apparently not. 🤷
I just wanted to add a little bit to QuasiCatholic’s response to Gorgias post.

Its not that one is saying that we can do away with confession to absolve mortal sin, its that God is God and God will be the judge. You can’t honestly believe that if God knows the heart of the sinner who is sincerely sorry for his sins that if he doesn’t confess to a priest in standard Catholic practice that God’s going to send that person to hell. If God did that, then God would* NOT be just, and God* is** just. His WORD tells us that he is quick to forgive and those who call on his name will be saved.

Furthermore, did you know that there is a saint who is in heaven who made NO church sacraments? His name was St. Genesius, patron of actors. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesius_of_Rome) He was a roman actor who made his life poking fun at Christians until one day the Lord revealed Himself to him and he converted on the spot. The emperor was not too happy with his conversion and had him executed. He never had Baptism in the usual sense, he never had Holy Communion in the traditional sense. Yet, he is STILL a saint canonized by the church. God is in control. Alleluia! The good news!

We must be very careful not to make the sacraments or the church teachings or officials themselves ‘God’. They are channels for grace. They are to be respected and cherished. They are not God himself though. There are those who follow everything to the tee and will still go to hell because they aren’t really following Christ but their pride. (I’m not at all saying you are Georgias, but just sounding a warning to all- its an easy rut to fall into, that spoken about of Luke 18:11, like the Pharisee. I hope it doesn’t seem like I am picking on you.)
 
I know a young woman, beautiful woman whom I went to high school with, when I started going to Mass, her father introduced himself to me. I had couldn’t remember her name, but then he described her and I knew who she was. (Not knowing her family was Catholic). For the longest time, she was not receiving Holy Communion, and I was worried. I did talk to her, and for a long time, she did not seem like she wanted to be Catholic. Then I saw it. A beautiful moment, after a few years without receiving Communion, she received Our Lord! I was actually much happier with the fact she WASN’T receiving at that time, if she did not believe in our Church (hence the term “Communion”), there was no reason she should have been receiving (it was actually she that told me she might won’t to be something else). I’ll tell you what, she has such a reverence for the Eucharist now, too! When she goes back to the pew to pray, it is quite obvious she believes this is really our Lord. I am actually grateful when Catholics who may doubt or who may have committed Mortal Sin refrain from receiving the Eucharist, because they at least have that basic understanding of the Faith. Trust me, I heard one guy, (an older guy) say that he doesn’t need to go to Confession (this is a Catholic, mind you) because he can go “straight to God”. People who know the Faith are the ones who know when to refrain from the Eucharist, at least that has been my experience.
 
Yes, prayer is (or can be at least) effective for absolving mortal sin.
You’re answering a question I didn’t ask. 😉

Theta – who, in other threads, has identified that he believes only in what the Bible teaches, and not what the leaders of the Catholic Church teach – made an assertion that forgiveness comes through simply praying to God. That’s not found in the Bible.
1452 When it arises from a love by which God is loved above all else, contrition is called “perfect” (contrition of charity). Such contrition remits venial sins; it also obtains forgiveness of mortal sins if it includes the firm resolution to have recourse to sacramental confession as soon as possible.51
Note that forgiveness is obtained through “resolution” to go to to confession (i.e. the thought) not by the actual going to confession. If you die en route to confession, you’re still absolved.
Actually, that’s not quite correct; it’s more subtle than that. Normatively, absolution for mortal sin only occurs through the sacrament of reconciliation. However, in an exceptional case, if a person has perfect contrition, forgiveness is obtained not “through resolution”, but rather, simply prior to sacramental confession. You make a good point – if, through no fault of their own, the person dies prior to getting to confession, they are nevertheless still forgiven. This doesn’t mean that the resolution saved them, but rather, that God’s mercy saved them in an exceptional case.

However, Theta’s assertion – that prayer to God is the normative means for the forgiveness of “sins unto death” – is not only inaccurate but un-Scriptural… and your recourse to CCC 1452 doesn’t help his assertion.
 
You can’t honestly believe that if God knows the heart of the sinner who is sincerely sorry for his sins that if he doesn’t confess to a priest in standard Catholic practice that God’s going to send that person to hell.
It would depend on the circumstances, though, and it’s as cut and dry as you make it out to be. The appeal to CCC 1452 is precisely the case you present – but, that doesn’t mean that there are other cases that we can presume.

More to the point, we can say that a well-catechized Catholic, who does not present himself for confession but rather, simply is contrite (without resolving to go to confession), will, in fact, not receive absolution of his sins.
If God did that, then God would* NOT be just, and God* is** just.
No – if God did that, He would be just… but not merciful. Big difference. 😉
His WORD tells us that he is quick to forgive and those who call on his name will be saved.
Yes, He is “quick to forgive”; and the means that He gives us by which we “call on his name” in order to be saved is sacramental confession.
Furthermore, did you know that there is a saint who is in heaven who made NO church sacraments?
The Church does not say that all the unbaptized are condemned, and neither am I making that assertion. This is a red herring… 😉
The emperor was not too happy with his conversion and had him executed. He never had Baptism in the usual sense, he never had Holy Communion in the traditional sense. Yet, he is STILL a saint canonized by the church.
Yes – do you know what that implies? He participated in a baptism by blood – being martyred for the faith – and the grace he received was as effecacious as water baptism itself. Therefore, having had his sins forgiven through this ‘baptism’, he was in a state of grace at his death, and thus attained to heaven. It’s not a question of “no sacraments” – since he did receive the graces of baptism! – and so this doesn’t demonstrate what you think it demonstrates… 🤷
We must be very careful not to make the sacraments or the church teachings or officials themselves ‘God’.
Amen!
They are channels for grace. They are to be respected and cherished. They are not God himself though. There are those who follow everything to the tee and will still go to hell because they aren’t really following Christ but their pride.
Really? Are you serious, or just speaking loosely?

Here’s the thing – yes, it’s possible for someone to follow external observances but are not actually living a life of faith. That doesn’t mean they’re “follow[ing] everything to the tee”, as you assert – it means only that they’re “doing Church stuff” without believing in it. It would mean that they’re not “discerning the Body” and are thus “eating and drinking condemnation.” It would be for these reasons – and not that they’re making an ‘idol’ of processes – that they lack grace. To assert otherwise is to obfuscate what’s in play…
I hope it doesn’t seem like I am picking on you.)
No problems. 👍

The weakness of your case, though, is that it plays the magician’s ‘misdirection’ trick: by pointing to one person in the wrong, you take our attention of someone else in the wrong. In this case, both of them – the person who follows the observances of the Church but doesn’t interiorize them, and the person who might think he’s interiorized them but refuses to follow Christ’s Word – are in danger. And, at least the person who follows external observances is truly receiving God’s grace, and stands a better chance of being able to turn his situation around.
 
… – and so this doesn’t demonstrate what you think it demonstrates… 🤷

Yes, it does. My point in writing was that just because a person does not go through the church to receive sacraments doesn’t mean God can’t bestow a spiritual sacrament, as God did in St. Genesius case. What happened with his case was invisible to people.

I have no idea what you thought I was trying to demonstrate. Seems like you took what I said the wrong way.

I said Quote:
If God did that, then God would NOT be just, and God is just.

You said Quote:
No – if God did that, He would be just… but not merciful. Big difference.

I have no idea where you are coming from with that. Again, seems like you are taking things I said the wrong way because I stand exactly with what I have said before.
 
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