How long did the holy family stay in the cave?

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The Greek word “katalyma” which is so often translated as “inn”, is the same word that Luke uses for the upper room of the Last Supper, so it would seem that there was no room in the uppder part of the house and they were forced to stay below where tha animals were kept.
 
Yes, it’s called ‘translation convention’, which may or may not always be accurate. It’s kind of like rendering Iakovos as ‘James’ or Yam Suph as ‘Red Sea’; both are not a totally faithful transliteration/translation of the original words (else you would have ‘Jacob’ or ‘Reed Sea’), but because of the general hesitancy among translators to break with centuries of translation tradition (and also perhaps to avoid any complaints about the ‘unconventional’ renderings) they usually prefer to just keep it.

Funny thing is, the ancient versions don’t really translate it as ‘inn’ also (as in commercial public house): the Syriac Peshitta says that Mary put the baby in the manger “because there was no room where they could lodge;” the Latin Vulgate uses the word diversorio both in the Nativity and the Last Supper, a word which like katalyma has more general connotations than inn (while using taberna for pandocheion in 10:34). It was really William Tyndale that started the “inn” fad in English Bibles (katalyma = ynne, just chamber; pandocheion = commend lynne); Wycliffe translated the Latin diversorio as chaumbir (Bethlehem)/herborgerie (upper room) and taberna as ostrie. (Here the Rheims NT unfortunately obscures the difference by using inne in all three instances).
It is no doubt interesting how the syntax grammar of words and phrases used in scripture narrative sometimes get tossed topsy-turvy in a whirlwind of actual meaning.

I don’t envy the job of biblical scholars have had down through the ages in trying to keep original text translations from Aramaic and Greek being transcribed into today’s vernacular languages in scripture. Somewhere down the line your always bound to loose nuances in meaning without obscuring the importance of the main understanding of Incarnation narrative which should always be stressed.

Being bilingual in speaking and writing French and English I can easily see this because expressions and grammar text used in both languages don’t always translate the exact meaning word for word or expression of speech between French and English.

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It is no doubt interesting how the syntax grammar of words and phrases used in scripture narrative sometimes get tossed topsy-turvy in a whirlwind of actual meaning.

I don’t envy the job of biblical scholars have had down through the ages in trying to keep original text translations from Aramaic and Greek being transcribed into today’s vernacular languages in scripture. Somewhere down the line your always bound to loose nuances in meaning without obscuring the importance of the main understanding of Incarnation narrative which should always be stressed.

Being bilingual in speaking and writing French and English I can easily see this because expressions and grammar text used in both languages don’t always translate the exact meaning word for word or expression of speech between French and English.

Peace
Chris
As a trilingual myself, I know how this feels like.

BTW, a guy named Stephen Carlson has also written something about the subject (warning: PDF). 🙂
 
I’ve actually seen a fair number of caves as ancient dwellings in Israel (with accommodations for animals in the same cave.) Be sure to visit a very nicely preserved one in Tekoa that reflects these particular features if you ever travel there. It even has a feeding trough carved into the rock.

It’s at least a possibility that the house = the cave. It’s also at least a possibility that Mary and Joseph’s accommodations were actually better than the “inn,” something that would be more congruent with ideas of hospitality at the time. Despite all the traditions, the “innkeeper” may be getting a bum rap.
There are also apparently cave houses in Avdat.
 
A manger is a thing you put food for animals in. Jesus was put in one, but he was not born in one, and neither did the family stay in one! I think that people often refer to nativity scenes as ‘mangers’, so maybe the word is changing its meaning.
Actually, it could be both. The word phatnē (φατνη) could refer more commonly in the specific sense to the feeding trough you use to feed animals, or less commonly in a wider sense, to the place where you keep and feed said animals (so used in 2 Chronicles 32:38 LXX and Luke 13:15). The latter usage is less common precisely because animals and humans live together or close enough to each other in the Holy Land, hence special free-standing barns or stalls were not too common.

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