How long do Catholics normally go without committing mortal sin?

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I’ve taken two moral theology courses, one a graduate course at an Ex Corde Ecclesia college from a very well known OP priest. Not a “progressive” understanding of mortal sin, not at all.

Best, as you say, to confess often and let the priest determine. We are not the best judges as our own consciences are flawed.

There are seven deadly sins and the mother of them all is pride.
 
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I disagree.
That is your perogative. We are not average. The mere fact this woman is Catholic and attending Mass on a daily basis defines her and many like her as not average.
While I am aware that several recent Popes have confessed daily, if one of us on here tried to go to confession daily, we would likely get a talk from the priest about possible scruples and, assuming we we were not coming into confession with an actual grave sin daily (for example, daily masturbation due to a porn habit), probably be told we should not confess so often and given a schedule on which to confess.
This is a straw man argument. It has nothing to do with my original post and my original intent.
but if she seriously thinks that most Catholics cannot go 5 minutes without committing a mortal sin, i don’t think that is a sign of her holiness.
Again you are free to make your own judgments. However right now, might i suggest a review my original post and place it back in its correct context. Along with my comments.
In any event, her “testimony” is her opinion only and it’s rather presumptuous of her, no matter how holy she is, to act like she knows other people’s sins. Unless she’s the next Padre Pio or St. John Vianney, she doesn’t.
WE are catholics, We do not accuse others of being presumptuous, That is very uncharitable. And judgemental.

Good day to you, I am muting your comments .
 
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WE are catholics, We do not accuse others of being presumptuous, That is very uncharitable. And judgemental.

Good day to you, I am muting your comments .
I stand by my comments. It is indeed presumptuous to assume you know about the sins of other people who you do not know personally, and know that these sins they committed are mortal, unless as I noted, you have some sort of mystic charism from God.

Good day to you also.
 
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I’ve taken two moral theology courses, one a graduate course at an Ex Corde Ecclesia college from a very well known OP priest. Not a “progressive” understanding of mortal sin, not at all.

Best, as you say, to confess often and let the priest determine. We are not the best judges as our own consciences are flawed.

There are seven deadly sins and the mother of them all is pride.
Her humility is an example to follow. Truly through her suffering in her life and her sorrow, her one rock has been Christ. She lives her faith daily through the celebration of the mass and spends as much of her time as possible in prayer. It is not prayer for herself , it is prayer for regional and global issues.
 
Many saints and popes would be considered scrupulous by today’s lax standards.
 
I’m 62 years old and have been a Catholic for two years. It’s been a long, hard, rocky road. But I’ve finally found peace and have no intention of ever committing a mortal sin again. Psalms135: “His mercy endures forever.”
 
I have a hard time believing anyone who says they’re not in a state of mortal sin. I fall into mortal sin quite often.
I don’t even know how it’s possible not to fall into grave sinnwith theceay the world is these days!
 
I have a hard time believing anyone who says they’re not in a state of mortal sin. I fall into mortal sin quite often.
I don’t even know how it’s possible not to fall into grave sinnwith theceay the world is these days!
‘fall into grave sin’ - here is your problem. We don’t ‘fall’ into mortal sin, we must choose mortal sin. You are trying to absolve yourself of responsibility by suggesting that you can be walking down the street and simply ‘fall’ into the open manhole of sin. You have to make a conscious choice to commit and act that you KNOW is evil and serious, and then do it.

This conversation is getting repetitious. There are three conditions for mortal sin and they must all be met before someone has committed a mortal sin. That’s just the facts.

If you are ‘falling into sin’ frequently then perhaps look at yourself with a little more honesty and see where you are making choices and then change those choices. If you find that hard, then change your environment so those choices don’t face you every day. If you are talking about lust, then remove the source of temptation and avoid every occasion of it. And stop making excuses. Accidental sins are not mortal.
 
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Many saints and popes would be considered scrupulous by today’s lax standards.
And some saints actually WERE scrupulous, as made clear in their writings and the writings about them. Such as St. Alphonsus Liguori and St. Therese of Lisieux.
Are you able to suply a link to support your claim on this Tis _Bear?
If they were considered to be scrupulous ,then scrupulously is a good thing 🙂
 
I see you have found one of the many references about St. Alphonsus Liguori and scruples.
He is well known as a patron saint of scruples because he suffered so much from it during his life and worked hard to try to overcome it. The Redemptorists, his order, have a lot of resources dedicated to helping people who struggle with scruples.

Scruples is definitely NOT a good thing, ever. It’s a mental illness. It can severely affect a person’s physical health also due to all the worry and anxiety it causes - people cannot sleep, they get headaches etc. Sufferers can have what used to be called “a nervous breakdown”. It made both St. Alphonsus and St. Therese quite physically ill.

Here is another article about St. Alphonsus’ scruples, which interestingly also refers to Martin Luther’s scruples.


As for St. Therese, it is well documented that she suffered from severe scrupulosity in her early teens and was suddenly cured of it at Christmas 1886, through God’s grace, which prepared her to be able to enter the convent at a young age. Here is just one link talking about it.


Again there was nothing good about her scruples, it was very torturous for her. Many of her biographers think that the Jansenist-influenced environment in which she grew up, which encouraged people to think they were huge sinners and going to Hell unless they worked very hard to rack up lists of good works, helped to cause her scruples.

There are a number of other saints who suffered from scruples, including St. Ignatius Loyola and St. Francis de Sales. In all cases these saints needed to get past their scrupulosity in order to develop their spirituality. It was not something helpful for any of them.

http://loretopubs.org/scruples-and-...scrupulosity-with-the-help-of-the-saints.html
 
Thanks for the links 🙂 I hadn’t realised there was such an illness before I joined CAF .
How wonderful that St Therese was cured of it !
 
Varies from person to person. A lukewarm Catholic maybe only lasts a few days or weeks. A devout Catholic maybe many months or years. Super saintly types could maybe go a large majority of their life without committing mortal sin. Emphasis on “maybe” by the way, because as I’ve said, there’s no fixed time and it depends on the person.
 
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Let’s talk about marriage.

A man and a woman are married.

They have been faithful, committed, happy for years.

One day, one of the spouses walks into a bar, picks up someone and has sex with them. They then go home, tell their spouse “I had sex with a stranger in a bar and I am not sorry, in fact, I want to bring this third person into our home and I will be sleeping in their room from now on.”

The betrayed spouse asks “were you drunk? Did you do some drugs? Are you sick?” Takes them in for a full medical work up and full body scan, all clear.

The betraying spouse is not sorry and continues with their plan.

The marital relationship is severed.

Now, they have been a good spouse for 30 years, does something like this just POW happen overnight? Doesn’t it more happen that one spouse begins a little flirtation with someone else, starts to feel restless, they begin to spend more time with the “other person”, or they simply begin to pull away from their spouse and spend more time away.

Then there is cheating, the spouse feels terrible and tries to make it up, then back and forth.

That is more what happens in the real world.

Same with mortal sin.

Most people do not go from living lives where they simply do not think of sin to mortal sin in one moment. It is a process of pulling away from God, giving in to small temptations, little things, little lies, little omissions, the conscience becomes numb, and then the mortal sins are just the next step in leaving the relationship with God.

What we must do is to realize when these little omissions, little sins come in. Nip it in the bud. Realize there IS such a thing as near occasion of sin and avoid it.

God is not a big meanie in the sky waiting to GOTCHA and smite someone dead while they are in mortal sin just to prove a point.
 
Three conditions are necessary for mortal sin to exist:
  • Grave Matter: The act itself is intrinsically evil and immoral. …
  • Full Knowledge: The person must know that what they’re doing or planning to do is evil and immoral. …
  • Deliberate Consent: The person must freely choose to commit the act or plan to do it.
I don’t know any time that I have been in a state of mortal sin

Even if I weren’t a Catholic, I wouldn’t want to knowingly do something seriously evil and/or immoral. Why would I?

I really don’t understand why it would be hard to avoid mortal sin when these conditions must first be met. …
It is good that since baptism you have remained in the state of sanctifying grace. Adam and Eve had sanctifying grace when they sinned mortally. Maybe it was not hard for them to avoid that fall, however the devil did tempt them to sin.

Catechism
397 Man, tempted by the devil, let his trust in his Creator die in his heart and, abusing his freedom, disobeyed God’s command. This is what man’s first sin consisted of.
 
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Three conditions are necessary for mortal sin to exist:
  • Grave Matter: The act itself is intrinsically evil and immoral. …
  • Full Knowledge: The person must know that what they’re doing or planning to do is evil and immoral. …
  • Deliberate Consent: The person must freely choose to commit the act or plan to do it.
I don’t know any time that I have been in a state of mortal sin

Even if I weren’t a Catholic, I wouldn’t want to knowingly do something seriously evil and/or immoral. Why would I?

I really don’t understand why it would be hard to avoid mortal sin when these conditions must first be met. …
It is good that since baptism you have remained in the state of sanctifying grace. Adam and Eve had sanctifying grace when they sinned mortally. Maybe it was not hard for them to avoid that fall, however the devil did tempt them to sin.

Catechism
397 Man, tempted by the devil, let his trust in his Creator die in his heart and, abusing his freedom, disobeyed God’s command. This is what man’s first sin consisted of.
The problem is, even to Catholics let alone non-Catholics, the evil of something like masturbation, recreational drug use or skipping Mass on Sunday is not at all self-evident. Plenty of Catholics in fact disagree with the Church that these things ARE grave sins, sometimes don’t think they are sins at all. Their consciences are ill-formed - remembering that we are not to put our own conscience above Church teaching on morality.

As a lawyer, I liken it to peoples’ obedience to the law of the land. Plenty of people are well aware that things like drink driving or welfare fraud are illegal, and probably aware of why they are illegal as well. Plenty choose to do them anyway.They are not generally let off the hook in terms of culpability unless they have some serious defect in understanding or seriously compromised ability to freely consent.
 
Adam and Eve had a choice, just as the angels had a choice. That is what mortal sin is really all about - choosing to separate oneself from God. We were all born with the original sin of Adam and Eve, but we also have a choice whether or not to sin ourselves. After baptism, we are cleansed and then begins our responsibility to avoid the temptation to commit a grave and evil act. Everyone seems to commit venial sins, simply because we are imperfect, but God allows for that, understands that and forgives that. He also forgives mortal sins, and that is what confession is really for. People confess their venial sins as well (nuns have regular confession, as do most religious and priests) but to me, avoiding mortal sin seems to be a case of simply not indulging in acts that I know to be serious and evil and that would separate me from God. If there is temptation, the first step is to remove oneself from that occasion of temptation. That takes effort perhaps, but once the temptation is removed, then it gets much easier not to act upon it. Like most things in life, avoiding mortal sin requires one to accept responsibility for their own actions. Blaming the devil is laziness because it excuses one from their own actions. ‘The devil made me do it!.’ That is why some people have trouble stopping a sin - they act as if it were beyond their own efforts. But God doesn’t make it hard for people to be good, He makes it hard for them to sin (at least mortal sin). He gives three conditions to be met, and at any time a persona can check themselves with these three conditions and ask themselves, ‘Is it grave? Am I aware that it is grave? Do I consent to this grave and evil deed?’

I have compassion for those who find avoiding sin hard, but I do believe it is like alcoholics anonymous a little (just an example) in that the person must take a step away from the temptation every single day and continue doing so one day at a time. But the will must be aligned with the consequences, asking oneself, ‘What will be the ultimate outcome if I follow this path?’ Only a child is excused from knowledge of consequences, and they learn this over time. An adult should know that every action has consequences, and they should align their will with the consequences that they know will be right and good. Then it is so much easier to avoid actions that will lead to bad consequences.

One thing that really helps avoid sin is a sincere and deep love for God, combined with a personal relationship with Jesus - whatever that means to the individual. Then sinning becomes real, a personal affront to a friend rather than an abstract evil against a forgiving God. If you were with Jesus in person, just hanging out, you might feel less likely to go sin, but if you did feel the urge, you could talk about it with Him - the chances are you would be less likely to leave Him then to go do something you know is wrong and would offend Him.

The good news though is that even after a person has committed a mortal sin, God will not reject them if they turn to Him for forgiveness.
 
I have a hard time believing anyone who says they’re not in a state of mortal sin. I fall into mortal sin quite often.
I don’t even know how it’s possible not to fall into grave sinnwith theceay the world is these days!
‘fall into grave sin’ - here is your problem. We don’t ‘fall’ into mortal sin, we must choose mortal sin. You are trying to absolve yourself of responsibility by suggesting that you can be walking down the street and simply ‘fall’ into the open manhole of sin. You have to make a conscious choice to commit and act that you KNOW is evil and serious, and then do it.

I wasn’t referring to falling into mortal sin as if I didn’t make the choice. I was trying to make a point that I’m not at a point that I don’t choose to “not sin”. I haven’t been Catholic that long and don’t understand how someone gets to that point spiritually! That’s the point I was trying to make!
 
I wasn’t referring to falling into mortal sin as if I didn’t make the choice. I was trying to make a point that I’m not at a point that I don’t choose to “not sin”. I haven’t been Catholic that long and don’t understand how someone gets to that point spiritually! That’s the point I was trying to make!
I’m sorry Chewy66 but I don’t really understand the question then. If you are a new Catholic (recently baptised?) then you are clean, free of all sin at the time of your baptism. How hard can it be after that to choose not to commit an act that you know is serious and evil and would separate you from God?

I think that sexual mortal sins are probably the ones that most people commit and re-offend, especially young people. Well, physiology makes it difficult to resist those surging hormones, I grant you. But sublimation is a real possibility - taking that sexual energy and converting into some other kind of energy. That is why things like sports and arts etc are recommended for sublimating sexual energy. I think the real thing that people are fighting against here is the current societal outlook on sex, which is that it’s ok to do it whenever you want with whomever you want. Catholics don’t believe this, and neither do a lot of other religions or groups. But even without religion, there is a disconnect in our society between sex and intimacy, so sex is used everywhere to sell products, because advertisers know that it is one of a human being’s strongest drives.

So yes, it is hard to avoid the constant barrage of sexual imagery and the temptation that follows from that. This is where a conscious effort of the will comes in. Find something to do with all that libido - something that either engages the body, like sports, or the mind, like study or crafts or something else creative. And avoid situations where you might be tempted to sin, like sitting alone in your room online. It’s different for every person, but for some people it is just going to take a little more effort than for others. It is a conscious choice - and that is what free will is all about. Choose to sin or choose not to. You have to want the consequences of what you choose.

Even if your problem isn’t sexual sins, the same suggestions apply - find an outlet that takes you away from the temptation to sin.
 
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