How long will it take for non-Catholics to finally accept Catholicism?

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jmcrae, Thanks for being kind enough to clarify that for Rob.

So, the old law was re-oriented. In other words, it underwent a CHANGE in direction.

Mailman mailman, :tsktsk: playing your games again I see! It didn’t “change” directions, unless “forward” is a change in your mind.

And it seems only one commandment was affected by this re-orientation: The Sabbath commandment. The Sabbath commandment CHANGED in its character and nature – from being God’s Rest Day into His Resurrection Day.
** The commandment was not changed Keep holy the sabbath is still valid never changed. You are tryingg to impose “time” on God? He want us to contenplate Him and worshipo him weekly we do that. PERIOD!

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So, you’re right, the old law was not abrogated. But, it was CHANGED.
The jewish people’s way of doing ot was changed. To show that we follow Jesus. If you don’t follow Jesus, you wouldn’t understand.

If you don’t mind my asking— Does the RCC have the authority to change God’s law? **No but the RCC can caange Man’s rules the small “t” traditions of the church. never the Big “T” Traditions but you knew that! 👍 **If so, how was that authority given? **It was never given only in your twisting of what is said that you don’t agree with! **Can it be supported by Scripture or is this from the RCC’s oral “Tradition”? **Only in the tradition of the Mailman!j :rolleyes: **

Do you understand, or do you think that you need to be told again and again and again AGAIN??? 😛
 
Sorry about that. I should have clarified which law. What I was referring to was the 10 commandments law, not the added ceremonial or ritual laws which are no longer binding today because Christ had come.

**The Ten Commandments are precepts bearing on the fundamental obligations of religion and morality and embodying the revealed expression of the Creator’s will in relation to man’s whole duty to God and to his fellow-creatures. They are found twice recorded in the Pentateuch, in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5. There is no numerical division of the Commandments in the Books of Moses, but the injunctions are distinctly tenfold, and are found almost identical in both sources. The order, too, is the same except for the final prohibitions pronounced against concupiscence, that of Deuteronomy being adopted in preference to Exodus. About 1400 yeras later, Jesus was confronted by the religious “know it alls” of his day: Christ’s Summation is recorded at Matthew 22. “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: " ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40). By saying thisJesus resumed these Commandments in the double precept of charity–love of God and of the neighbour; He proclaimed them as binding under the New Law in Matthew 19 and in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5). He also simplified or interpreted them, e.g. by declaring unnecessary oaths equally unlawful with false, by condemning hatred and calumny as well as murder, by enjoining even love of enemies, and by condemning indulgence of evil desires as fraught with the same malice as adultery (Matthew 5). The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord’s Day. The Council of Trent (Sess. VI, can. xix) condemns those who deny that the Ten Commandments are binding on Christians. **
A reflective reading of Christ’s teaching would reveal that the first four commandments given to the children of Israel are all contained in the statement: “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” It goes to say that the last six commandments are fully enclosed in the statement: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Are these the laws you refer to? That can never be changed? That Jesus the Head of the RCC reinterpeted? Did God change His mind. Or is Jesus saying that the way things are phased are only words?

The 10 commandments law is the BASIC SPIRITUAL LAW for which David said, “They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness” (Psa. 111:7-8).

**Actually, this is how Psalm 111 7-8 really reads:" The works of His hands are truth and justice; all His instructions are trustworthy. 8 They are established forever and ever, enacted in truth and uprightness".

By all His instructions wouldn’t that also include animal sacrafice, etc Or was David talking about something else?Or would you have any way of knowing? How would you be able to know by extracting two lines of a song in Psalms what God wanted? Now if the Title of the song in Psalm 111 was GOD’S BASIC SPIRITUAL LAW 😃 you might be on to something! 😛 **

Yes, we are justified by faith. But “faith without works is dead.” By “works” of course James meant the keeping of the 10 commandments law - all of it

**Is that what he told you? :rolleyes: He wrote “fairh without WORKS **is dead” Check any dictionary on your interpertation. of what works means. Even old jewish ones won’t infer works as commandments. Did you misspeak? was James wrong? Did Jesus make a mistake? Does my questions remind you of anyone? 😃 .
 
Exodus 34:28

לַיְלָה–לֶחֶם לֹא אָכַל, וּמַיִם לֹא שָׁתָה; וַיִּכְתֹּב עַל-הַלֻּחֹת, אֵת דִּבְרֵי הַבְּרִית–עֲשֶׂרֶת, הַדְּבָרִים. 28
And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten words
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Deut. 4:13

יג וַיַּגֵּד לָכֶם אֶת-בְּרִיתוֹ, אֲשֶׁר צִוָּה אֶתְכֶם לַעֲשׂוֹת–עֲשֶׂרֶת, הַדְּבָרִים; וַיִּכְתְּבֵם, עַל-שְׁנֵי לֻחוֹת אֲבָנִים. 13
"And He declared unto you His covenant, which He commanded you to perform, even the ten words
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Deut. 10:4

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עֲשֶׂרֶת הַדְּבָרִים, אֲשֶׁר דִּבֶּר יְהוָה אֲלֵיכֶם בָּהָר מִתּוֹךְ הָאֵשׁ, בְּיוֹם הַקָּהָל; וַיִּתְּנֵם יְהוָה, אֵלָי. 4
“And He wrote on the tables according to the first writing, the ten words**, which the LORD spoke unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the LORD gave them unto me”

All three of the original translations say 10 WORDS. Not 10 sentences nor 10 commandments. The jewish word for “word” is singular just like ours! We got a lot of milage out of 10 words didn’t we? Or just maybe there was some “oral tradition” involved in making them into the words we all agree are God’s commandments to us.Or since we all should know that the bible though inspired isn’t infalliable the use of the word word was a error by the writer? Anyway, words are only words until they are given life by the actions of men!

:blessyou:
 
**I would like to explain some things to everyone so we may eliminate the confusion.In order to understand properly the work of the RCC in creating, defending and perpetuating the Holy Scriptures, I feel I must explain the human means used in their production, and as to the collecting of the books of the Bible as we have it at present. There are some common erroneous ideas which we have to clear away from our minds at the very outset.

To begin with, the Bible did not drop down from Heaven ready-made, as some seem to imagine; it did not suddenly appear upon the earth, carried down from Almighty God by the hand of an angel or seraph; but it was written by men like ourselves, who held in their hand pen (or reed) and ink and parchment, and laboriously traced every letter in the original languages of the East.

In the second place you would do well to remember that the Bible was not written all at once, or by one man, like most other books with which we are acquainted. It took 1,500 years to be written… If you must, put 1,500 penney down to understand this enormous number. Yes, 1,500 years elapsed between the writing of Genesis (the first Book of the Old Testament) and the Apocalypse or Revelation of St. John (the last Book of the New).(Even more if you count the 400 years some protestants claim God was silent)

It is made up of a collection of different books by different authors, of different education and understand. These books formed, in short, a library instead of a single work, and hence were called ‘Biblia’ in Greek, or the books. :tsktsk:

If you had lived in the days immediately succeeding the death of Moses, all you would have had given to you would have been the first five books of the Old Testament, said to have written by that patriarch himself; that was the bible in embryo, so to speak – the little seed that was to grow subsequently into a great tree. From this we can see that the preacher extolling the bible as the only comfort and guide of faithful souls was slightly out of his reckoning when he used these words: ‘Ah, my brethren! What was it that comforted and strengthened Joseph in his dark prison in Egypt? What was it that formed his daily support and meditation? What but that blessed book, the Bible!’ Well my friends, Joseph existed before a line of the Old Testament was penned, and about 1800 years before the first of the New Testament books saw the light, the worthy evangelist was guilty of what we call a slight anachronism

Some folks ac as if they believed that the sacred books were first composed, and the incomparable Psalms of David set forth, in the sweet English tongue, and that they were afterwards rendered into barbarous language such as Latin or Greek or Hebrew, for the sake of inquisitive scholars and critics. This of course is not correct; the original language, broadly speaking, of the Old Testament was Hebrew; that of the New Testament was Greek. Thus our Bibles as we have them today for reading are ‘translations’ – that is, are a rendering or equivalent in English of the original Hebrew and Greek as it came from the pen of prophet and apostle and evangelist

A last point must always be kept clearly in mind, for it concerns one of the greatest delusions entertained by many Protestants and makes the fierce attacks on the RCC appear so silly and irrational – the point, namely that the bible, as we have it now, was not printed in any language at all till about 1500 years after the birth of Christ, for the simple reason that there was no such thing as printing known before that date.
We would have had to read our Testaments and our Gospels from the manuscripts of monk or friar, from the pages of parchment or vellum or paper covered with the handwriting, sometimes very beautiful and ornamental, of the scribe that had undertaken the slow and laborious task of copying the Sacred Word.

Protestants in these days send shiploads of printed Bibles abroad, and scatter thousands of Testaments hither and thither in every direction for the purpose of evangelizing the heathen and converting sinners, and declare that the Bible, and the Bible only, can save men’s souls. :whacky:

Our Divine Lord, I suppose, wished that the unnumbered millions of human creatures born before the year 1500 should believe what He had taught and save their souls and go to Heaven, at least as much as those of the sixteenth and twentieth centuries; but how could they do this when they had no bibles, or were too poor to buy one, or could not read it even though they bought it, or could not understand it even if they could read it?

Catholics believe souls may be saved and people become saints, and know and do all that Jesus Christ meant them to believe and do without the bible.

The Protestant theory, which bases a man’s salvation on the possession of the Bible, leads to the most flagrant absurdities, imputes to Almighty God.It ends logically in the blasphemous conclusion that our Jesus failed to provide an adequate means of conveying to men in every age the knowledge of His truth.
It would be impossibe for Christianity to benefit or even survive on the principle of ‘the Bible and the Bible only’ mentality.It would have ended before even being printed.
Really, I can not understand that otherwise intelligent non-Catholics have not awakened to that hollowness and absurdity. I can only suppose that they do not sufficiently realize, ‘read, mark, learn, and inwardly digest’ (as the English Prayer-Book says) this single item of history – the Bible was not printed till at least 1400 years after ChristSo it can’t bet the final authority. We contend that, the RCC is and must remain the spearhead to salvation.👍 **
 
“How long will it take for non-Catholics to finally accept Catholicism?”

Alright, I would go ahead and give it about a few hundred more years. Why? Well thats about the right amount of time for the liberals to take over the main-line Protestant churches, dissolving them. This would leave the minority as the conservatives. In this amount of time, most (if not all) will come to the Church doors much in the same way we see the Orthodox coming. Already, we see full Protestant congregations discovering the faith and coming to the Church (a good book, if I can remember the name, follows one such congregation). In fact, in the last few years alone, there has been a 9% increase in conversions from Protestantism.

At a time when information is becoming more and more important, the Catholic faith is easier to learn and spread than ever yet, the world is hard at hearing more than ever. But people are actually learning the existence of and the divisions between Protestants and are questioning the “facts” that have been pulled over their eyes.

In the Protestant world, true believers are out there, and they’re hearing the message. They are coming to the church doors all the time and our numbers are multiplying. They aren’t satisfied with yesterday’s bias. They search for truth and they are finding it.

So I give it a few hundred more years.
 
“How long will it take for non-Catholics to finally accept Catholicism?”

Alright, I would go ahead and give it about a few hundred more years. Why? Well thats about the right amount of time for the liberals to take over the main-line Protestant churches, dissolving them. This would leave the minority as the conservatives. In this amount of time, most (if not all) will come to the Church doors much in the same way we see the Orthodox coming. Already, we see full Protestant congregations discovering the faith and coming to the Church (a good book, if I can remember the name, follows one such congregation). ** Maybe “No Price Too High” A Pentecostal Preacher Becomes a Catholic by Alex Jones (as told to Diane Hanson)
** In fact, in the last few years alone, there has been a 9% increase in conversions from Protestantism.

In the Protestant world, true believers are out there, and they’re hearing the message. They are coming to the church doors all the time and our numbers are multiplying. They aren’t satisfied with yesterday’s bias. They search for truth and they are finding it.Lets hope so!

So I give it a few hundred more years.
**If, we have that long! **
 
God has the authority to change God’s law, and God makes this known by means of the Church that He established.
What was the mode of revelation used by God? How did He inform His vicar on earth? It had to be His vicar who got the instruction because he is supposed to be the head of His church. Strangely though, the RCC has not once claimed God spoke to any of its popes.
(Notice how although Abraham was bound to circumcision, he was not bound to the Ten Commandments
Abraham was bound to the Ten Commandments, as are all of humanity from the time of creation. God said of Abraham: “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws” (Gen. 26:5).
  • through Moses, God made a change in the Law for the Israelites at that time.
Is that found in Scripture? It would be rather confusing for man if God keeps changing His laws. But we are told that “God is not the author of confusion” (1 Cor. 14:33). It is not in God’s character to change. He is “the same yesterday, and today, and forever.”
No doubt Jesus Himself made these things known to the Apostles during the period between the Resurrection and the Ascension into Heaven, since already, Sunday observance of the Eucharist is alluded to in the Book of Acts, where it is referred to as “the breaking of the bread on the first day of the week.”
This breaking of bread was NOT the observance of Eucharist – it was simply eating a meal. This expression was commonly used in olden times to designate a meal (I think some parts of the U.S. still use the term). Notice Luke 22:16, where Jesus was introducing the Lord’s Supper. He said: “I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.” Yet, the day after His resurrection, after walking with the two to Emmaus, “…as he SAT AT MEAT with them, he took bread, and blessed it, AND BRAKE, and gave to them” (Luke 24:30). Here, Jesus “brake bread” but it was not the Lord’s Supper, which He said He would not take again. It was a meal – “He sat at meat.”

Again, in Acts 2:46, the disciples “continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and BREAKING BREAD from house to house, DID EAT THEIR MEAT with gladness.” Here again “breaking bread” means eating a meal. Not on the first day of the week, but DAILY. See also Acts 27:33-35.

And there’s one other thing. That first day of the week when they “broke break”, wasn’t even a Sunday! It was Saturday evening. Notice, Paul “… ready to depart on the morrow, continued his speech until midnight. And there were many lights in the upper chamber…” (Acts 20:7-8). The modern translation of the GNB says, “On Saturday evening…”

Now, about this observance Catholics call Eucharist or Communion, is this not supposed to be the ordinance called the Passover with only the symbols changed? In the OT, those who partook of the sacrificial lamb and had their doorposts sprinkled with the lamb’s blood were spared of death. The Passover for the NT has Jesus as the sacrifice and His shed blood to spare us from death due to sin.

Now, how often was the Passover observed? Notice Exodus 13:10, speaking of the Days of Unleavened Bread which follows immediately after the Passover: “Thou shalt therefore keep this ordinance IN HIS SEASON FROM YEAR TO YEAR” (Exo. 13:10). In other words, YEARLY. Jesus set us an example (I Pet. 2:21), observing the Passover at the set time ONCE A YEAR (Luke 2:41-42).

Has the observance changed during apostolic times? Notice I Corinthians 5:7, 8: “Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us: therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven… but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.” Yes, Christ is now our Passover, therefore let us keep the feast – as we have done in the past, YEARLY.
(He who hears you, hears Me," - Luke 10:16 and “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” - Matt. 28:18 and “Whatsoever ye bind on earth is bound in Heaven, and whatsoever ye loose on earth is loosed in Heaven,” - Matt. 18:18, etc.)
To whom was “all authority” given? It says, “to Me” – Jesus Christ.

Nowhere in the entire Bible do we find man, or God’s Church, being given the authority to change God’s laws; authority to do other things, yes – like the laying on of hands, the ordination of ministers, baptizing, rebuking, reproving, teaching, etc. – but NEVER to change God’s laws. “There is one lawgiver…” (James 4:12). And He is God!

The RCC once taught that Scripture does not support their change of the Sabbath commandment. Many priests, bishops, theologians, apologists and educators acknowledged this fact. It was only recently that the church came up with the verses that supposedly showed Sunday observance. Notice this from an Archbishop of Baltimore in the 1900’s:

“You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify” (The Faith of Our Fathers, 1917, p. 89, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Catholic Educator and Archbishop of Baltimore).
 
This could explain why the RCC now could not be God’s church even if it was the church Jesus established in the beginning.
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Only in your mind! Jesus said otherwise. I refer you to: John 17: 1- 23 . Also Jesus is the Groom, His church the RCC,the Body of Christ is His bride. He would never divorce us! **
I forgot to respond to this.

In John 17:1-23, Jesus said of His Church:

1) “…that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him”
The RCC believes eternal life is inherent in man. Here, Christ says it will be given only to His Church.
2) “…they have kept thy word.”
The RCC have not kept God’s Word. They even changed His Law. Or make that— ABROGATED one of His commandments and CHANGED it with another.
3) “… they have believed that thou didst send me.”
Yes, they believe that.
4) “… keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me.”
They call themselves “Roman Catholic Church.” No name of God there.
5) “… the world hath hated them.”
The world does not hate the RCC, they love them! All the world even bowed to their Sunday, Christmas and New Year!
6) “They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.”
They are of the world. They get involved with this world’s politics. In fact, the world’s politics have been, and still are, being influenced by the RCC.
7) “…that they may be one, even as we are one.”
Here, Jesus compares His Church to – if you are RCC – the Father, Son and Holy Spirit being one in a Trinity. So, the RCC is one, just like God is a Trinity. Would the RCC eventually become like the Trinity also?
 
What was the mode of revelation used by God? How did He inform His vicar on earth?
The Holy Tradition, which comes from the Apostles. (As you are well aware, there was no Bible during the first few centuries - even by Protestant reckoning, the Catholic Church had been around for at least several decades before St. Jerome famously brought the books of Scripture together from the libraries of the world and created the world’s first Bible.)
Abraham was bound to the Ten Commandments, as are all of humanity from the time of creation.
They didn’t exist yet; this is anachronistic. You are like the man who thought that Joseph of Egypt comforted himself by reading his Bible when he was in jail under Pharoah.
God said of Abraham: “Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws” (Gen. 26:5).
Those that he had been given, yes. Not every law ever made, or yet to be made.
Again, in Acts 2:46, the disciples “continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and BREAKING BREAD from house to house, DID EAT THEIR MEAT with gladness.” Here again “breaking bread” means eating a meal. Not on the first day of the week, but DAILY. See also Acts 27:33-35.
Perhaps you are not aware, but the Mass is available daily. Sunday observance (attendance; not reception of the Eucharist - we don’t have to receive the Eucharist every time we go to Mass) is the minimum requirement; not the only time that it’s available.
And there’s one other thing. That first day of the week when they “broke break”, wasn’t even a Sunday! It was Saturday evening. Notice, Paul “… ready to depart on the morrow, continued his speech until midnight. And there were many lights in the upper chamber…” (Acts 20:7-8). The modern translation of the GNB says, “On Saturday evening…”
We also have Sunday liturgy and Sunday Mass on Saturday evening, even today. 🙂
Now, about this observance Catholics call Eucharist or Communion, is this not supposed to be the ordinance called the Passover with only the symbols changed? In the OT, those who partook of the sacrificial lamb and had their doorposts sprinkled with the lamb’s blood were spared of death. The Passover for the NT has Jesus as the sacrifice and His shed blood to spare us from death due to sin.
This is correct, yes.
Now, how often was the Passover observed? Notice Exodus 13:10, speaking of the Days of Unleavened Bread which follows immediately after the Passover: “Thou shalt therefore keep this ordinance IN HIS SEASON FROM YEAR TO YEAR” (Exo. 13:10). In other words, YEARLY. Jesus set us an example (I Pet. 2:21), observing the Passover at the set time ONCE A YEAR (Luke 2:41-42).
That’s why we are only required to receive the Eucharist once a year, at Easter time. (This is referred to as our “Easter duty.”)
Has the observance changed during apostolic times?
Not at all, as I’ve already shown you.
Notice I Corinthians 5:7, 8: “Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us: therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven… but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.” Yes, Christ is now our Passover, therefore let us keep the feast – as we have done in the past, YEARLY.
He says nothing about “yearly” in that passage. The minimum that we are to receive the Eucharist is yearly, but, as the Apostles did, we too can receive it daily, as well, as we pray, “Give us this day our daily bread.” 🙂
To whom was “all authority” given? It says, “to Me” – Jesus Christ.
And we see Him passing it to the Apostles. He doesn’t say, “Therefore, watch me while I convert the nations” - no - He tells them to do it.
Nowhere in the entire Bible do we find man, or God’s Church, being given the authority to change God’s laws; authority to do other things, yes – like the laying on of hands, the ordination of ministers, baptizing, rebuking, reproving, teaching, etc. – but NEVER to change God’s laws. “There is one lawgiver…” (James 4:12). And He is God!
Have I ever said that we have authority to change God’s laws? Never!
The RCC once taught that Scripture does not support their change of the Sabbath commandment. Many priests, bishops, theologians, apologists and educators acknowledged this fact.
True. This comes to us through the Holy Tradition. It’s the non-Catholic Christians who come up with the Scripture verses to support it, but it’s clear that you have to believe in it first, before you can find it in the Bible, same as the Trinity, Jesus as God, and other traditional Christian beliefs.

Are you a Christian? Because it seems odd to argue against the Christian day of worship, if you are. And if you’re an atheist, or something else, then I don’t see why or how it would matter to you, one way or the other. 🤷
 
I don’t think that non-Catholics will ever fully accept Catholicism, because some non-Catholics are much too clear on the fact that Catholicism has its own set of issues. Until the Catholic Church becomes much, much less legalistic, I won’t be joining it. It seems to me it has taken the freedom of Christ and replaced it with a new law. This isn’t a good thing.

That being said, Catholics are still Christians unless they trust their works to save them (and some individual Catholics do).
 
I don’t think that non-Catholics will ever fully accept Catholicism, because some non-Catholics are much too clear on the fact that Catholicism has its own set of issues. Until the Catholic Church becomes much, much less legalistic, I won’t be joining it. It seems to me it has taken the freedom of Christ and replaced it with a new law. This isn’t a good thing.

That being said, Catholics are still Christians unless they trust their works to save them (and some individual Catholics do).
We don’t trust our works to save us; God alone can save us. But we do trust our sins (including sins of omission) to damn us, if that’s what you mean. 😉
 
Are you a Christian? Because it seems odd to argue against the Christian day of worship, if you are. And if you’re an atheist, or something else, then I don’t see why or how it would matter to you, one way or the other. 🤷
Sunday is the Catholic day of worship…

“Sunday is a Catholic institution, and… can be defended only on Catholic principles…. From the beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.” – Catholic Press, Aug. 25, 1900.

and, as the priest T. Enright says, "the whole world bows in obedience.”
 
Sunday is the Catholic day of worship…

“Sunday is a Catholic institution, and… can be defended only on Catholic principles…. From the beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.” – Catholic Press, Aug. 25, 1900.
True - Christians who follow Christian tradition do so because it comes down to us through the Catholic Church; not because of the Bible.
and, as the priest T. Enright says, "the whole world bows in obedience.”
This is hyperbole, since obviously Jews, Muslims,and atheists do not - Jews still worship on Saturdays (they also still circumcise, and forbid pork), Muslims still worship on Fridays, and atheists still insist on a seven-day work week.
 
Have I ever said that we have authority to change God’s laws? Never!
I thought that was the message. The RCC did change the Sabbath law, didn’t it? If they were not given the authority then that change was not valid.

I’ve asked this before but no one responded. Is this true? :

“The Pope has power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ.” from: Decretal, de Translatic Episcop
 
I don’t think that non-Catholics will ever fully accept Catholicism, because some non-Catholics are much too clear on the fact that Catholicism has its own set of issues. Until the Catholic Church becomes much, much less legalistic, I won’t be joining it. It seems to me it has taken the freedom of Christ and replaced it with a new law. This isn’t a good thing.

That being said, Catholics are still Christians unless they trust their works to save them (and some individual Catholics do).
i used to think the same thing… that Catholicism may be too legalistic…

i was raised RC but not taught my faith very well. When young, i went to Church every Sun with my family… but was never t aught what the Church teaches… BIG LOSS!!! My life became a horrible mess… True, i never fell so far from Christianity that i became… well… possessed or virtually possessed… or whatever… never committed certain “big” sins … (?) but i was not doing well…to say the least (cirucumstances, relationships, mental/emotional state). Then one day i went to a non-denom support group where the leader of the group was anti-Catholic ex-Cath… who always made snide remarks about the Church during the meetings (Christian meeting [for the most part :rolleyes: ])… I got :mad: & decided to do some research into the faith. What if found blew me away…

Long Story short: What i learned caused me to grow in Christ… I got closer to Him, began to find meaning in my life (sufferings, etc…)… began to understand things i never understood before 9concerning the consequences of sin, etc, etc…)…

But before i did all that studying, i was just going to Mass whenever i felt like it. Dont know who told me but someone told me it was a mortal sin to miss Mass on Sun… You would think i would have known that… but was never taught … Anywya, when i heard that… i thought, “That is too legalistic… God wouldn’t toss someone into Hell for not going to mass on Sun.” Well, i see now that that was just a “human” thought… human reason. But as the Bible says, God’s ways are not our ways… His thoughts are not our thoughts (that was read @ Mass recently, i think this last Sun). anyway, i began going to Mass every Sunday… and i am SO, SO glad i did… becaue it was then that i began to grow and get close to Jesus… At some point, i began attending daily Mass as well… and though my life is far from a walk in the park in the early spring… i can now bear my crosses better, understand them better… find meaning in them, offer them up for conversions (something i never had a clue about when not in the Church…)…

I could go on and on… but in a nut-shell… i became intimate with Christ… particularly when some caring priest told me about the best kept secret the Church has: The Real Presence of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament (Eucharist)… kept in the Tabernacles of the Churches throughout the world, 24/7…

Jesus really did give us ALL of Himself…

i feel llike crying just writing this… thinking of how much He loves us… and i never knew… until i found His Church… :hug1: :heaven:

God bless… 🙂
 
I thought that was the message. The RCC did change the Sabbath law, didn’t it? If they were not given the authority then that change was not valid.
And if they were given the authority (the same as they were given the authority to replace circumcision with baptism) then it’s okay, right? 🤷

It seems as if they were already observing Sunday as the Lord’s Day, even in the Book of Acts, and it doesn’t seem as though anyone was having issues with it.
I’ve asked this before but no one responded. Is this true? :
“The Pope has power to change times, to abrogate laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ.” from: Decretal, de Translatic Episcop
This quotation seems like either it has been taken wildly out of context, or made up out of thin air. Without knowing where it came from, it’s impossible to respond.
 
I wouldn’t dare try to guess at how long it will take - it’s all in God’s timing.

I rejoice that we’ll all be Catholic in Heaven. 👍
 
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