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thecoach
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Wow, out of the thousands of posts I missed one…mea culpa!! Funny, you cant even remember yourself where it even is, yet you want to come down on me for not reading it. Why such anger?
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distracted
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i am totally NOT buying this figure… and a few othe things you say…
i have heard that the total # of all those burned at the stake was in the 100s, not 10s of thousands… and i will believe a cahtolic source of info long before a non-Catholic one…
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distracted
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why such presumption… i am anything but angry today…
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MDK
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Distracted, this person comes here pretending to be “persecuted” when actually attempting to persecute. Pretending to be persecuted is a false and subtle attempt to attack Catholics and Catholicism by innuendo. It has been shown to me that this person has a giant log in their eye, and so can’t see to the truth. We can pray that they gain sight to see what God has actually done, and the true Church He has built. One who perceives persecution when faced with the truth is deluded. Furthermore, they misinterpret scripture and try to discredit the truth with falsehoods including partial truths twisted into false statements. Through prayer and upholding the truths, we offer a hand up to one such who has fallen into a pit due to walking blindly. Most of what I have seen from this person is like one whose MO is simply like a wild archer blindly slinging arrows toward Catholics and the Church. I don’t see that the truth is even close to central for this person.
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Sepharad
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You took the very words out of my mouth.
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Sepharad
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Thanks so much for researching that for me! Evidently it happened quite a few years before the incident I’m personally familiar with.
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Sepharad
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I said what I did not because I believe the RCC is the true faith, but because the RCC claims to be the “true church”. This is why I found it so hard to imagine that a priest ordained in that church could be involved in a bombing campaign to kill innocent people…esp. since the Catholic church in modern times has spoken out so strongly against the taking of innocent life via abortion and capital punishment.
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Aydan
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thank you welcome home to you and your wife as well! I have special place in my heart for veterans and military personnel especially Vietnam vets because they were treated so badly by some when they come home. I will pray for your father but I’m sure as I heard so many soldiers remind us he probably said to St. Peter when he got to heaven "one more soldier reporting for duty Sir I have spent my time in hell. And I’m quite sure your father has done plenty of that and now he is seated at the heavenly banquet smiling because his son has come home to the church and knows Christ. You have nothing to feel foolish about we all have things in our journey to Christ that we regret and you never know who you might be helping because of those experiences. For instance I used to believe that my disability meant I was being punished by God because I didn’t know any better but because of that experience now it helps me minister to other people because I know how it feels to feel rejected or not know God so those experiences that make us feel foolish can do more good and we even know because we never know who we are helping because of them.
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Sepharad
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I don’t know the precise number myself, but does it matter if it was 100 or 1,000? Human life is human life…and it is wrong to take innocent human life…something the Catholic church is very big on teaching nowadays.
Disputing the event because of the numbers is not much different from those who try to say the number of Jews killed by the Nazis was not as big as 6 million (and yes, there are those who say that…as if the actual numbers makes any difference!)
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estesbob
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In other words you cant substatiate the numbers you posted. The best estimates as the number who died during the 400 years of the inquisition is 4,000. Regardless of how you want to spin it there is a huge difference between the claims you made and the actual numbers.
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jmcrae
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If he did this, it was not in his capacity as a priest, and he no doubt knew at the time that he was committing an act that the Church considers to be a mortal sin - assuming it was his intention to kill innocent bystanders, to provoke the opposition, or any other reason not directly related to self defense and/or the defense of his home. I am under the impression that members of the clergy are not allowed to carry or use weapons.
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Sepharad
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I never posted any numbers, another poster did. I was just replying to what you said to HIM.
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MDK
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I was hoping you had had a bit of a change in heart here. I was hoping also that you would have been more honest, and would like to believed you, but find your words lacking in fullness of truth. You don’t seem terribly naive about things. Your words don’t really add up, as you say you don’t believe Catholicism is what it claims, yet you seem to feign that you base your emotions on the claims of the Catholic Church currently, rather than your own beliefs. It simply seems more like a sarcastic and subtle way to get the same point across you’ve been trying since your first post on this thread.
My Catholic brothers and sisters, given her history here, and what she has said along the way… I think what she was really trying to say could be characterized as… “look Catholics, another atrocity committed by one of your own, and a member of your clergy at that.” I see this as yet another false attempt to denigrate our faith, by one who denies it. What’s new? The truth about our Church, about the Catholic Faith is quite different from the behavior of one who sins either in being complicit in an attack on the physical bodies of others, or on the Body of Christ. We know and are grateful to be members of the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church which teaches truth, and teaches love, charity and forgiveness. We must be willing to forgive such attackers, and to remain firm in our defense of the Bride of Christ, the Body of Christ, our Church.
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MDK
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Who on this board has oppressed anyone? Are you laying others’ sins at the feet of those who did not commit the act(s)?
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minkymurph
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Sepharad
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SIGH. I guess what annoys me is the defensiveness of many Catholics, that those who point out any wrongdoing on the part of Catholics/Catholic leaders must “hate the church”, or be “anti-Catholic”…why is it that if someone NOTICES something wrong done by a Catholic leader, this automatically translates to being “anti-Catholic”? This is beginning to remind me of those who automatically attribute ALL mention of high rates of crime in Black neighborhoods as always being due to “racism”.
Not far from me there was a Reform rabbi who hired a hitman to murder his wife, and he is now serving a very long sentence for it. It was all over the local news, and not once did I EVER accuse anyone who mentioned it to me of ‘antisemitism’.
My mother-in-law’s former pastor was arrested years agio for child pornography. No one accused me of “anti-protestantism” for mentioning or discussing it.
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MDK
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You could go on and on, but you still miss the point. It’s far beyond a simple “noticing” an act. I don’t think you’re capable yet of discussing Catholic issues appropriately and fairly yet, as you have clearly shown to have an agenda here. Your numerous posts make clear your agenda is not one of justice, and attest to your emotional need to slander…, and your body of work speaks for itself. I defend the Catholic Church appropriately, when it’s needed. When it’s not needed, I don’t. People who know me, trust me for sound judgment.
I stand by my post as appropriate and an accurate rendering which does no disservice whatsoever to you. Would be nice if your posts likewise did no disservice. You often are a simply a false witness, standing at the door with a smile on your face, while holding a mallet behind your back, waiting to use it for your adopted and misguided sense of need for some kind of retribution against the Catholic Church and/or Catholic faithful. I would rather that you didn’t do this, as it would be nicer to discuss the issues as they are, with another willing to do so in a fair and just manner.
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MDK
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While you’re on this thread, that’s the idea… to talk about the topic, is it not? However, the OP doesn’t involve a discussion of kicking people out of a country, or as extreme as genocide, does it? Were you referring to some specific act or event, or being hypothetical or general in nature? If general, and you’re referring to something that could happen or may happen, then does your post really add anything to the discussion, as this is fairly obvious to anyone. If you were referring to some specific act, please let us know what it was.lol?
I was talking about about the topic buddy. If a religion tried to declare it’s the national religion of a country, and genocide or kick those out of the country that weren’t it, don’t get angry if you encounter resistance.
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Aydan
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well MDK I think the real problem is that this thread has gotten so long and had so many different topics is hard to tell what the original purpose was anymore. But the original purpose of the threat was to answer the question how many Catholics believe that Catholicism should be the only religion and I believe it was Christine who pointed out way earlier in this thread that that questione has been more than sufficiently answered. But somehow we got off on this tangent about the Spanish Inquisition which led to a whole bunch of different topics and opinions and I’m just as guilty for going off-topic but in actuality we should allow this thread to end because we have already been admonished once by the mediator earlier on for getting off-topic so those who want to discuss the Spanish Inquisition should start another thread. I think that would be the best thing to is start another thread post a link to it on this thread and just put an end to this discussion about the Spanish Inquisition on this thread before we are admonished again by the mediator.
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