How many Catholics think this way?

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estesbob said:
In other words you cant substatiate the numbers you posted. The best estimates as the number who died during the 400 years of the inquisition is 4,000. Regardless of how you want to spin it there is a huge difference between the claims you made and the actual numbers.
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Okay estesbob, where have we gotten the “actual” numbers of Jews who died during the various Inquisitions that occured? Don’t the records kept by those of the Jewish Faith coincide with those of the Catholic Church? I don’t know if they do, or not, but I do think we as Catholics do get very defensive when someone points out the warts on the door of the Vatican. But, just because there are warts on the door (frail humanity) doesn’t mean the door has been opened. (the doctrines and dogmas of the church.) Those I do believe, but I also believe the human members of the Church stand guilty of many misdemeaners.
 
elts1956 said:
… but I do think we as Catholics do get very defensive when someone points out the warts on the door of the Vatican. But, just because there are warts on the door (frail humanity) doesn’t mean the door has been opened. (the doctrines and dogmas of the church.) Those I do believe, but I also believe the human members of the Church stand guilty of many misdemeaners.
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That’s all I was also trying to say…but maybe since you’re Catholic, you are allowed to say it without being judged for it?

The Catholic church has a long history of persecuting those with whom it disagrees (Calvinists, Waldensians, Albigensians, Cathari, Jews, you name it)…and in more modern times, these things are remembered as history.

Likewise, the ancient Israelites did the same thing, against those they regarded as idolaters…and this too, is recalled as history.

The militant Muslims are currently persecuting those who are not Muslims…and someday, they too, will be held to account for it.
 
Aydan said:
But the original purpose of the threat was to answer the question how many Catholics believe that Catholicism should be the only religion and I believe it was Christine who pointed out way earlier in this thread that that questione has been more than sufficiently answered.
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I hold that the OP was a strawman for airing abuses committed by Catholics. This is evidenced by the second post by the OP which highjacked the thread into a discussion of the Spanish Inquistion.
Aydan said:
But somehow we got off on this tangent about the Spanish Inquisition which led to a whole bunch of different topics and opinions and I’m just as guilty for going off-topic but in actuality we should allow this thread to end because we have already been admonished once by the mediator earlier on for getting off-topic so those who want to discuss the Spanish Inquisition should start another thread.
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I am unsbuscribing to this thread.
Aydan said:
I think that would be the best thing to is start another thread post a link to it on this thread and just put an end to this discussion about the Spanish Inquisition on this thread before we are admonished again by the mediator.
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Dirty Laundry - The History of the Catholic Church
 
qui_est_ce said:
I hold that the OP was a strawman for airing abuses committed by Catholics. This is evidenced by the second post by the OP which highjacked the thread into a discussion of the Spanish Inquistion. I am unsbuscribing to this thread.

Dirty Laundry - The History of the Catholic Church
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I agree. There’s ample evidence that the original poster was not at all upfront and honest about their agenda and intent. I believe the intent was not one of seeking truth, nor of being honest in discussing issues. I enjoy discussing ideas with someone open to truth and actually seeking such. In my opinion, the one who posted originally did so with false pretense and without goodwill.

I am unsubscribing to this thread as well.
 
MDK said:
I agree. There’s ample evidence that the original poster was not at all upfront and honest about their agenda and intent. I believe the intent was not one of seeking truth, nor of being honest in discussing issues. I enjoy discussing ideas with someone open to truth and actually seeking such. In my opinion, the one who posted originally did so with false pretense and without goodwill.

I am unsubscribing to this thread as well.
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As the OP, I want to say that I started this thread originally because of some grave concern I had from reading some threads on the Traditionalist forum…threads that seemed to indicate that at least some Catholics pined and hoped to work for the days when the Catholic church could take over and compel others to become Catholics.

The thread got sidetracked, as threads often do…but my original intent was to find out just how widespread this mentality is.
 
Sepharad said:
As the OP, I want to say that I started this thread originally because of some grave concern I had from reading some threads on the Traditionalist forum…threads that seemed to indicate that at least some Catholics pined and hoped to work for the days when the Catholic church could take over and compel others to become Catholics.
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This is not even possible. It is completely against our religion to force people to become Catholic.

We believe that conversion is the work of the Holy Spirit.

It is even frowned upon as suspect when people make an active effort to approach non-Catholics to talk to them about the Faith. It is preferred to have people (non-Catholics) come to the Church to seek information, and then we are allowed to talk to them.

For example, I am allowed to talk to you on this site, that you have come to of your own volition, but I would have to go to Confession if I were to go to a Jewish web site and start saying the same things.
 
dessert said:
What does the modern IRA believe in?
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The Provisionals are Marxist in ideology, and I think the Officials were too. Perhaps that is a reason why the church condemned them…the Catholic church has always been very anti-communist.
 
Hisalone said:
That is what muslims believe. Thank God the USA was founded on Protestant principles.
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Actually, Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Constitution was a deist. I’d actually argue that it was founded on deist principles.
 
Sepharad said:
Pretty sure…I’ve read An Phoblacht and others of their publications…including ones the Irish Americans rarely see. If they’re not Marxist, I’m the Pope!
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Being female may be a drawback there, your Holiness.
 
Sepharad said:
The Provisionals are Marxist in ideology, and I think the Officials were too. Perhaps that is a reason why the church condemned them…the Catholic church has always been very anti-communist.
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Indeed. And then can you tell us why the Catholic Church condemned Communism and Marxism? Do you have an idea why?
 
dessert said:
What does the modern IRA believe in?
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What does the modern IRA believe in? Didn’t you know the IRA doesn’t exist anymore? :rotfl:

The Workers Party which evolved from the Official IRA in the sixties are a socialist party. I wouldn’t call them Marxist although some would. They are very much for the working classes and their political ideology in the sixties was pretty much along the thinking of Connolly, a leader in the Easter Uprising. Connolly was a Marxist and he believed there could never be a social revolution in Ireland as socialism was eclipsed by Nationalism and Loyalism. The Northern Ireland government were mostly made up of affluent, Protestant businnessmen who threw the Protestant working classes the odd bone to keep them on side. It was believed that uniting the Protestant and Catholic working classes, a political settlement could be found which caused a split and the Provisional IRA formed.

The Provisional IRA had a deep distrust of politicians, wonder why that is, :rolleyes: and wanted to continue the ‘armed struggle’ to remove the border and end British occupation. It was also believed the then leader of the IRA was taking them down a Marxist route and many in the IRA where still actually very Catholic and where often referred to as ‘Rosary rattlers.’ They retaliated by labelling the Official IRA the ‘rusty guns.’ Sinn Fein was the political wing of the Provisional IRA and when they entered the political area, there was another split and there are Republicans who still believe the ‘armed struggle’ is the only way to acheive their political objectives; an end to British occupation and removal of the border.

The political ideology of Sinn Fein has always been pretty obscure. They are pretty much a secular party but personally I think they embrace whatever’s popular irrespective of what it may be if it suits their purpose. Their political objective is still and end to British occupation and removal of the border but they’ve never really let us in on the secret of how the country should be governed if there was a United Ireland. They did have some political ideology at one time of four states in Ireland based on the four provinces, but it was totally unrealistic. They would see the Southern political parties as traitors and therefore want to see the way Ireland is governed completely overhauled. I think as many others do, that Gerry has his eyes on a United Ireland with him at the head. I don’t think he has a hope but then he is an idealist in my opinion and stranger things have happened. Perhaps my Southern counterpart could shed more light on that.
 
minkymurph said:
What does the modern IRA believe in? Didn’t you know the IRA doesn’t exist anymore? :rotfl:
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We should, of course, remember that the definition of ‘socialist’ (‘communist’ or ‘Marxist’) often used here is from the ‘American Conservative Dictionary’ and is therefore things like:
  1. has a cousin who was once seen reading the New York Times; and
  2. once thought of voting for a Democrat as dog-catcher.
 
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