How many deny Jesus Christ in the Eucharist?

[rinnie]

Now let us compare the scriptures.

In Psalm 76.3 We see that we have the offering of Bread and wine. It is to establish the VICTORY of Abram over his foes.

In Heb. 6:20 7:3 Jesus is the Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.

Jesus showed the Apostles to fill the 12 baskets. Get it 12 baskets, 12 Apostles of leftover bread. Commanding them the night he was handed over to DO THIS in memory of me.

Do you understand now that the Eucharist is the celebration of the VICTORY of Christ over death. When we share in the unending basket of leftover bread it is to proclaim his glory.

The Eucharist is the Celebration of his unending Glory.

This is the bread of eternal life. Who ever eats this bread and drinks this blood will live forever.

Do you believe that Jesus could really fill all of those baskets? If you do, how could you deny his presence in the Eucharist. Something to think about!!!

 

[rinnie]

Becoming a Christian is a personal encounter with Jesus Christ. That is my point, that faith in Christ is not about logic.

But everything taught about Christ by the Catholic Church has proven in my life of over 60 years, that it is indeed correct. The purpose of doctrines are not man made ideas, but truth that define who Christ is and to eradicate heresies about Him.

Amen KG. When we eat his bread and we drink this cup we proclaim your victory over death, Until you come in Glory!

We know that Jesus makes his presence in the Eucharist by the Power of the Holy Spirit. But we also know he will again make his presence down through the Sky the same way he left. We as Catholic’s are in the same spiritual presence as we will be in the Human Presence when he comes again in glory.

God is indeed made up of the 3 persons, The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. One in being with the Father.

 

[KathleenGee]

The other point that is missing, is that Scripture is the history of the Jewish people. You deny Scripture and events of the Old Testament, as well as those who witnessed the life of Christ, his death on the cross, and came to the empty tomb, you are again denying historical fact, you are denying the heritage of the Jewish people who, in our country, are among the most gifted and well educated people and contribute much to medicine, society, business and finance.

These people come from a culture that has valued wisdom and prudence, and maintaining their ethnic bonds. There are those who have lost their faith in God, but they have not forgotten or forsaken that which has been passed down for over 5,000 years…a pretty long time for errancy to endure.

Thus, you can’t reduce Scripture to words that can be debated, argued, denied…because that approach is not what Scripture is about. It is not conforming to your idea of right way of thinking and I am sure it will long endure after you and I are gone from this planet.

 

[benedictus2]

* However, I think there is a missunderstanding going on. For me the sentence written in bold now (cf. larkin’s quote in this one)* was my point. The other I think I rather marked accidentally. Although it is never the less important.

*Hi Esdra,

I don’t think you’ve given this reply much thought.

This is Larkin’s quote :"How would anyone know? That answer is only a matter of faith. They are all pretty good. I don’t see how one can go too wrong, really. It’s all about working hard, being humble, being kind, being just. The rest is little details…"

If you agree with this then you are saying that Jesus is not important… just part of the the rest - the little details.

If as Larkin said, what is important is " working hard, being humble, being kind, being just", then Jesus is not important. After all, people were working hard, being humble, being kind, being just" even in non-christian religions and even prior to Christ’s coming. You see this display of virtues in the old testament and you will see that too in all other cultures.

If that is all that is important then it is rather pointless isn’t is that Christ had to come? Christ is now reduced to just an insignificant, unimportant little detail.* If that is true about Christianity, then in the words of Flannery O’connor - to hell with it.
*

 

[Cinette]

*Hi Esdra,

I don’t think you’ve given this reply much thought.

This is Larkin’s quote :"How would anyone know? That answer is only a matter of faith. They are all pretty good. I don’t see how one can go too wrong, really. It’s all about working hard, being humble, being kind, being just. The rest is little details…"

If you agree with this then you are saying that Jesus is not important… just part of the the rest - the little details.

If as Larkin said, what is important is " working hard, being humble, being kind, being just", then Jesus is not important. After all, people were working hard, being humble, being kind, being just" even in non-christian religions and even prior to Christ’s coming. You see this display of virtues in the old testament and you will see that too in all other cultures.

If that is all that is important then it is rather pointless isn’t is that Christ had to come? Christ is now reduced to just an insignificant, unimportant little detail.* If that is true about Christianity, then in the words of Flannery O’connor - to hell with it.*

*I believe that when debating one has to be respectful and honest. Unfortunately there are some who are argumentative and hostile.

All this calls to mind 2 Peter 3:16 - “For there are many things in scripture that are hard to understand which ignorant and unstable people distort as they do the other scriptures to their destruction.”

An honest debater will concede a point and may admit that his/her point of view needs more research and reflection. Debating with one who stubbornly repeats himself is not fruitful and, quite frankly, rather boring.

What can I say Benedictus - you have been patient and painstaking with Larkin and he has been petulant and hostile. Perhaps it is time to move on…

Cinette*

 

[KathleenGee]

My son was transferred to another Catholic school that was less academic…and he said his understanding of Catholic Christianity there that it was just about being nice…

 

[Cinette]

The other point that is missing, is that Scripture is the history of the Jewish people. You deny Scripture and events of the Old Testament, as well as those who witnessed the life of Christ, his death on the cross, and came to the empty tomb, you are again denying historical fact, you are denying the heritage of the Jewish people who, in our country, are among the most gifted and well educated people and contribute much to medicine, society, business and finance.

These people come from a culture that has valued wisdom and prudence, and maintaining their ethnic bonds. There are those who have lost their faith in God, but they have not forgotten or forsaken that which has been passed down for over 5,000 years…a pretty long time for errancy to endure.

Thus, you can’t reduce Scripture to words that can be debated, argued, denied…because that approach is not what Scripture is about. It is not conforming to your idea of right way of thinking and I am sure it will long endure after you and I are gone from this planet.

*Faith is not and should not be a matter of opinion just as one cannot deny historical facts.

Its like the “Cafetaria Catholics” who pick and choose what is pleasing to them and what is too hard to accept.

We cannot dictate to God. Rather we should do our best to follow God’s commands and precepts.

Cinette*

 

[KathleenGee]

I just go so far with people…others can go alot farther than I with Scripture…

And sometimes I get the impression people come here because they are angry with God, His world doesn’t make sense, and they talk as such because the people here reflect their relationship with God…and so people open up and a number of things come out in talk…just an impression…may be some times it is better to just listen, try to understand…than try to reason…of course, this is not what CAF is about, but people come here with all kinds of issues under the idea that non-Catholic religions are people who protest Catholicism…and God…

 

[Michael_Francis]

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