How Many Here Would Attend The Traditional Latin Mass If It Were Available ?

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All are welcome to vote in the poll, but the purpose is in hope those who have never attended one will vote yes or no.

For those who may not know, H.H. Benedict XVI freed the use of the 1962 Missal of indult and any priest can now pray it without explicit permission of his Bishop. Assuming he can pray the Mass in a competent manner of course.

Feel free to explain your answer.

Thank you for taking time to vote 🙂
i would attend and i know a few around who also would. waiting and praying for one to come here.

in regard a priest being able to celebrate the LM if he wants to. i just dont know about that because i have heard that the bishop still have to ok for the Mass to be said in his jurisdiction. so, i just dont know how much authority a priest could have to just decide to celebrate the LM. when i spoke to a priest about come to town and celebrate the LM, he told me he had to have permission from the bishop which our bishop wont allow it.
 
This is an upsetting post.
I’m sorry you got upset as that was not my intention. However, it is not charitable to refrain from pointing out errors which could lead to eternal damnation.

You brought up the subject of finances as if the Church would rather take money from those outside Her teachings than risk losing them. “Cafeteria Catholics” are already outside the Church by their own choosing. Perhaps there is a better chance of reconcilation while in the pews but the sin of pride keeps many more not in a state of grace denigrating the Blessed Sacrament by presenting themselves for it.

The Four Last Things: Death, Judgement, Heaven, Hell. “Cafeteria Catholics” who die with mortal sins are headed to Hell. That’s not my opinion, it is Church teaching. It may upset you but we all need to be aware of it and act accordingly.
 
I’m sorry you got upset as that was not my intention. However, it is not charitable to refrain from pointing out errors which could lead to eternal damnation.

You brought up the subject of finances as if the Church would rather take money from those outside Her teachings than risk losing them. “Cafeteria Catholics” are already outside the Church by their own choosing. Perhaps there is a better chance of reconcilation while in the pews but the sin of pride keeps many more not in a state of grace denigrating the Blessed Sacrament by presenting themselves for it.

The Four Last Things: Death, Judgement, Heaven, Hell. “Cafeteria Catholics” who die with mortal sins are headed to Hell. That’s not my opinion, it is Church teaching. It may upset you but we all need to be aware of it and act accordingly.
I am not upset by the teachings of the Church. These are for our good, to help us to stay on the straight and narrow road. It is tragic that so many will be lost and spend eternity in hell by their own choice. I pray that I will remain true to the Lord and not fall away.

What upsets me is the implication in your post that those in mortal sin should not come to Mass. Perhaps this isn’t what you meant, but it was strongly implied.

Whether you want to admit it or not, many people would leave the Church if the Mass were done in Latin. I agree, these people would be making a sinful, rebellious choice to leave the Church. I’m not saying that they are correct. I’m just saying that reality is, there would be a lot of departures if all Masses were Latin.

In our parish, our gay music minister was fired after he announced that he and his partner were planning to adopt a child. (Apparently he had told the diocese that he was gay, but celibate and not practicing, when he was hired. In other words, he lied. It was a messy, ugly situation.) HUNDREDS of people left our parish and denounced the Catholic Church over this situation–for a music minister, a man that most of them didn’t even know personally! It was unbelievable, but true. I personally think that a lot of these people were looking for an excuse to walk away from Catholicism, and this incident gave them the perfect excuse–they actually looked tolerant and charitable, and everyone who stayed looked bigoted and homophobic and hateful.

If such a little thing as that is enough to cause people to walk out the door, then what effect would a major change like Latin replacing vernacular have?

Last night the priest who presided over our Mass made an interesting statement. He said that many people have told him that the only reason they are staying in the Church is for the Eucharist. They say that if it wasn’t for the Eucharist, they would dump the Church because they disagree with so many teachings.

I think that’s very sad, but I think it’s reality. Catholics are not docile anymore. They question many of the “traditions” and demand answers other than, “It’s tradition.” You can criticize them all you like, but the reality is, they are looking for a reason to leave. I personally do NOT think that the Catholic Church plans to give them that excuse–I think that Mass will remain in the vernacular for the most part in an attempt to hold onto people.

Our priests have a very tough job these days–trying to hold onto souls who are constantly testing the waters and considering jumping ship entirely.

Again, perhaps you feel that it would be best if they just left so that you and others wouldn’t have to put up with their constant questioning of centuries-old tradition and teachings. And maybe I’m just misinterpreting you. If so, I apologize.

As I said in my previous post, I believe that we need to hang onto souls with all our strength and pray constantly for their restoration to full fellowship with Christ and His Church. I’m GLAD they’re at Mass! It’s their best chance of being convicted of their sin.

And always remember, at every Mass, there are people like me and my husband. When we first attended a Mass, we knew absolutely nothing other than the Lord’s Prayer, and even that was different than what we were used to. To us, the entire Mass seemed like a bizarre ritual, like something out of the Medieval times. If it had been in Latin, we probably would have left, since we don’t know Latin. I think that for the sake of non-Catholics who are seeking the True Church, it is worth leaving the Mass in the vernacular.

Certainly the Latin Mass should be available for those who enjoy it and feel that it’s the only Mass that is worthwhile. But I think that the Church has no plans to take away a Mass form that has helped many people to find Jesus Christ. I think it would be for the best if those who long for a return to Latin for all Masses would just accept reality. It’s tough to always be so unhappy.
 
I am not upset by the teachings of the Church. These are for our good, to help us to stay on the straight and narrow road. It is tragic that so many will be lost and spend eternity in hell by their own choice. I pray that I will remain true to the Lord and not fall away.

What upsets me is the implication in your post that those in mortal sin should not come to Mass. Perhaps this isn’t what you meant, but it was strongly implied.

Whether you want to admit it or not, many people would leave the Church if the Mass were done in Latin. I agree, these people would be making a sinful, rebellious choice to leave the Church. I’m not saying that they are correct. I’m just saying that reality is, there would be a lot of departures if all Masses were Latin.

In our parish, our gay music minister was fired after he announced that he and his partner were planning to adopt a child. (Apparently he had told the diocese that he was gay, but celibate and not practicing, when he was hired. In other words, he lied. It was a messy, ugly situation.) HUNDREDS of people left our parish and denounced the Catholic Church over this situation–for a music minister, a man that most of them didn’t even know personally! It was unbelievable, but true. I personally think that a lot of these people were looking for an excuse to walk away from Catholicism, and this incident gave them the perfect excuse–they actually looked tolerant and charitable, and everyone who stayed looked bigoted and homophobic and hateful.

If such a little thing as that is enough to cause people to walk out the door, then what effect would a major change like Latin replacing vernacular have?

Last night the priest who presided over our Mass made an interesting statement. He said that many people have told him that the only reason they are staying in the Church is for the Eucharist. They say that if it wasn’t for the Eucharist, they would dump the Church because they disagree with so many teachings.

I think that’s very sad, but I think it’s reality. Catholics are not docile anymore. They question many of the “traditions” and demand answers other than, “It’s tradition.” You can criticize them all you like, but the reality is, they are looking for a reason to leave. I personally do NOT think that the Catholic Church plans to give them that excuse–I think that Mass will remain in the vernacular for the most part in an attempt to hold onto people.

Our priests have a very tough job these days–trying to hold onto souls who are constantly testing the waters and considering jumping ship entirely.

Again, perhaps you feel that it would be best if they just left so that you and others wouldn’t have to put up with their constant questioning of centuries-old tradition and teachings. And maybe I’m just misinterpreting you. If so, I apologize.

As I said in my previous post, I believe that we need to hang onto souls with all our strength and pray constantly for their restoration to full fellowship with Christ and His Church. I’m GLAD they’re at Mass! It’s their best chance of being convicted of their sin.

And always remember, at every Mass, there are people like me and my husband. When we first attended a Mass, we knew absolutely nothing other than the Lord’s Prayer, and even that was different than what we were used to. To us, the entire Mass seemed like a bizarre ritual, like something out of the Medieval times. If it had been in Latin, we probably would have left, since we don’t know Latin. I think that for the sake of non-Catholics who are seeking the True Church, it is worth leaving the Mass in the vernacular.

Certainly the Latin Mass should be available for those who enjoy it and feel that it’s the only Mass that is worthwhile. But I think that the Church has no plans to take away a Mass form that has helped many people to find Jesus Christ. I think it would be for the best if those who long for a return to Latin for all Masses would just accept reality. It’s tough to always be so unhappy.
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What upsets me is the implication in your post that those in mortal sin should not come to Mass. Perhaps this isn’t what you meant, but it was strongly implied.
How about sticking to things I actually post instead of spinning my words into distractions? You said the Church wouldn’t close “Cafeteria Catholic” parishes and risk losing their collection baskets and I replied that if they are in the red then the Church would be better off especially considering they are outside the Church already.

I never said those outside a state of grace shouldn’t attend Mass nor implied it. They shouldn’t present themselves for Holy Communion though. That’s not my opinion by the way, St. Paul said it and the Church upholds it.

If people want to leave the Church because it walks the talk by firing a homosexual music minister then good riddence. Jesus said if you aren’t with me you are against me and that the path to Heaven is narrow. Those who leave the Church will face their judgement and have eternity to suffer the consequences.

Nor am I advocating a ban on the Novus Ordo. I am resigned to the reality it will be with us for generations. It would be refreshing if the NO fans would walk their talk and advocate for the TLM to be offered at a regular convenient time on Sundays.
 
Just curious: What about if the Mass had been in Spanish or Polish?
Yes, we would have left. It makes no sense to sit and listen to something you don’t understand. We would have looked at each other and quietly left and looked for a church where English is spoken.

After all, we don’t listen to television shows in languages other than English, even though there are plenty of them on the air. Neither do we listen to radio stations in Spanish or Polish (and there are plenty of them in the Chicagoland).

And we don’t generally listen to music in another language, other than a few of the classical works, but if we attend an opera in a foreign language, there are almost always subtitles nowadays (yay!).

And we don’t read books in a foreign language.

And I don’t have foreign language slogans up around my house.

I can’t see the point. Yes, I agree, that because Latin is the Official Language of the Church, it needs to be kept up and scholars need to learn it so that we can continue to study the documents of the Church. I can see the need for a continuance of the Latin Mass to honor our history. I honestly think it will eventually be discontinued in almost all countries except Vatican City, other than as a once-a-year “tradition” to help Catholics remember their past. I know that there are pockets of people who love the traditional Mass, and this includes pockets of young people. But I think that these pockets will become smaller and smaller, and eventually there will only be a few places where Latin Mass is held on a regular basis. (Kind of like the Amish–there are pockets of them in the U.S., but they do not attract a large number of new members–just tourists.)

If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. No big deal.

One thing that not too many people are mentioning is other countries besides the U.S. I don’t know much about Catholicism in other countries. I know that Africa is very faithful to the Church–is there a movement in Africa to restore the TLM and the traditional music (pipe organ, Gregorian chant)? How about Asia? Or South America? How about the former Soviet bloc countries?

It just seems that convincing non-European nations of the usefulness of TLM might be a hard sell.
 
After all, we don’t listen to television shows in languages other than English,
To me that sums up perfectly why many people prefer the OF and why so many more tuned out years ago.
 
And we don’t generally listen to music in another language, other than a few of the classical works, but if we attend an opera in a foreign language, there are almost always subtitles nowadays (yay!).
Yeh, I watch those subtitles when watching foreign movies myself. Knowing a lot of Polish, I can only laugh at the way they’re translating some of that stuff, though. They can manage, through use of manipulating the translations, to make a drama out of a comedy and vice versa. Funny how a phrase in one language can be benign, but when it’s translated to English, can be quite insulting.
I know that Africa is very faithful to the Church–is there a movement in Africa to restore the TLM and the traditional music (pipe organ, Gregorian chant)?
I don’t know about Africa, but it seems as if Cardinal Arinze would like to bring more Latin into the OF, including having the homily in Latin, as well.

youtube.com/watch?v=mqnjgg1vNgU
 
i would attend and i know a few around who also would. waiting and praying for one to come here.

in regard a priest being able to celebrate the LM if he wants to. i just dont know about that because i have heard that the bishop still have to ok for the Mass to be said in his jurisdiction. so, i just dont know how much authority a priest could have to just decide to celebrate the LM. when i spoke to a priest about come to town and celebrate the LM, he told me he had to have permission from the bishop which our bishop wont allow it.
Report the Bishop to The Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei. If a priest can pray the EF in a reverent and competent manner, there is no reason to deny the rights given to those who want the EF per the SP of H.H.

That Bishop is flirting with a schismatic attitude. 🤷
 
I don’t know about Africa, but it seems as if Cardinal Arinze would like to bring more Latin into the OF, including having the homily in Latin, as well.

youtube.com/watch?v=mqnjgg1vNgU
thats one way to alienate a great majority of people in the Church. Homily in Latin? who would understand? unless all Homily now will be pre-made, and read off by priests with translations for the people. which then won’t make it a Homily at all.

don’t discount that a great majority of Catholics in the world are poor and do not have the facilities to learn another language, Latin or otherwise
 
I don’t get it . . . there’s nothing about the EF that requires having an altar rail, receiving while kneeling, or any of that. Were you making some other kind of point?
The point is, the Cardinal was discussing confusion and liberties taken with the Mass. He wasn’t talking about the EF though, was he ?
 
thats one way to alienate a great majority of people in the Church. Homily in Latin? who would understand? unless all Homily now will be pre-made, and read off by priests with translations for the people. which then won’t make it a Homily at all.

don’t discount that a great majority of Catholics in the world are poor and do not have the facilities to learn another language, Latin or otherwise
The Cardinal was saying it wouldn’t be an abuse, not encouraging it.
 
The Cardinal was saying it wouldn’t be an abuse, not encouraging it.
hhmmm… so does this mean the earlier information i was fed with was a manipulation of the original statement so that it would further one’s personal agenda?
 
hhmmm… so does this mean the earlier information i was fed with was a manipulation of the original statement so that it would further one’s personal agenda?
That’s not a charitable way to look at this discussion.

Although I agree sermon’s in Latin wouldn’t be prudent, to suggest poor people can’t understand the language is to insult most Catholics during most of the Church’s history.
 
That’s not a charitable way to look at this discussion.

Although I agree sermon’s in Latin wouldn’t be prudent, to suggest poor people can’t understand the language is to insult most Catholics during most of the Church’s history.
We have plenty of people in the U.S., poor and otherwise, who cannot read their own language, let along a foreign language.

The high school dropout rate in our city is at 25%. A large percentage of these are African American young men, many who do not learn to read and therefore, cannot do high school work. I think that our city is on the high side, but there are plenty of cities that have a high dropout rate.

The past is the past. Perhaps in the past, the poor understood the Latin used in the Church because of certain circumstances; e.g., they grew up with it. But the past is gone. We are living in the present and we need to deal with the poor of today, not the poor of the 13th Century.
 
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