How Many Here Would Attend The Traditional Latin Mass If It Were Available ?

[BusterMartin]

Hi, you need a good missal that has the rubrics and commentary along with the text of the Mass itself.

Also check out Sancta Missa. Lots of info to help understand it all
sanctamissa.org/en/

Thanks! They had a missal there for me to use (for which I was grateful!) and I’ve been to that site before. I just need to make time to familiarize myself with it more (and to get a suit!).

 

[seagal]

Hi Gwen, and welcome to the Church The EF can be tough to follow the first time. One really must go enough times to learn what the priest is doing. By his gestures, bows, etc., it’s not hard to know what is happening on the Altar. And this makes it easy to find your place in the missal is you fall behind or get ahead of the priest. The participation is praying Holy Mass with the priest.

Pope Saint Pius X, the only Pope canonized in the last 450 years or so, tells us so.

A good missal with the rubrics and commentary is needed to do this. And after several times attending, it will become second nature. It took me about 30 lol.

Anyway, I can see why you felt so distanced from the Mass you attended. There is nothing quite like the ancient Rites of the Catholic Churches, and for 40 years, the largest of these has not prayed Hers. It seems foreign to so many of Her own

Deo gratias you have found a good, reverent parish

This is not a problem with an OF mass.

 

[Tsuwano]

No, I probably wouldn’t attend a mass in the extraordinary form if it were available primarily because I’m perfectly happy with the Japanese language or English language masses I regularly attend now. I don’t recognize a personal need for the Mass in it’s extraordinary form.

 

[SMHW]

All are welcome to vote in the poll, but the purpose is in hope those who have never attended one will vote yes or no.

For those who may not know, H.H. Benedict XVI freed the use of the 1962 Missal of indult and any priest can now pray it without explicit permission of his Bishop. Assuming he can pray the Mass in a competent manner of course.

Feel free to explain your answer.

Thank you for taking time to vote

Well, I kind of remember the EF from when it was the OF. But I was a young child at the time.

I would certainly go occasionally if it was in my area. But I guess I need to elaborate on “if it were available”. It is offered every week at a parish about a 20-30 minutes drive from here and I haven’t gone yet because it simply isn’t convenient enough. I doubt it would ever be offered (at least regularly) at my parish for no reason other than that it is a modern style church which would not likely attract those who prefer the EF.

 

[Brendan]

This is not a problem with an OF mass.

Sure it is, try going to a Korean or Tagalog Mass and see how well you can follow along without recognizing the priest’s position and gestures.

 

[At_Trent]

Thanks! They had a missal there for me to use (for which I was grateful!) and I’ve been to that site before. I just need to make time to familiarize myself with it more (and to get a suit!).

You are quite welcome. Good point, time and effort are all it takes.

 

[At_Trent]

This is not a problem with an OF mass.

Brendan made a good point. And it’s not a problem at the EF with a good missal. How did the people learn the OF when it was introduced ? Time and effort.

 

[Timothy17]

P. I will go to the altar of God.
S. To God, the joy of my youth.

**The Latin Mass is beautiful, rich and deep with meaning. **

I especially like how the EF is strcitly patterned on the Passion of Our Lord1.

Frankly, I believe an EF reverently translated to, and presented in English would pacify even the most anti-EF folks: How can you not hear those prayers and petitions and not be moved? It’s difficult to read the Latin Mass (in English) and not be deeply moved by the beauty or the prayers and petition.

Patterned on the Passion:

This explains a lot about early Church history. Protestant and Revisionist Christians are always searching for this mythic “1st century” Church and the liturgy and teachings of the “first Christians.” There this strange disconnect implied between the Gospels and practices of the primitive Church. The Old Mass clearly tells us that it was the Lord Himself Who celebrated the first Mass , and his Church perpetuates his Passion down and through history to our present time.

This fettish with re-creating a copy-cat first century Church competes with what that very Church always did, and still does, which is re-present the Passion of Our Lord.

Learning about the EF Mass connected my Catholicism to Christ’s Passion in an extremely intimate and unmistakable way. It helped me to really, truly see Christ in the Mass and help me to understand why we celebrate the Mass, and why it is truly Holy and Precious.

 

[Laura15]

I would attend one or more. It would be something good for me to go to. Latin Masses are beautiful and meaningful. I love singing Latin songs, especially at Mass.
(might perfect my Latin )

 

[JKirkLVNV]

"Frankly, I believe an EF reverently translated to, and presented in English would pacify even the most anti-EF folks: How can you not hear those prayers and petitions and not be moved? "

I agree with this, esp. the Suscipe, Domine! “Receive, Holy Lord, God Almighty and Everlasting…” Far more moving than “Blessed are you, Lord God…”

This, I believe, is the way through the problem. But the far right and the far left would both never agree.

 

[Laura15]

"Frankly, I believe an EF reverently translated to, and presented in English would pacify even the most anti-EF folks: How can you not hear those prayers and petitions and not be moved? "

I agree with this, esp. the Suscipe, Domine! “Receive, Holy Lord, God Almighty and Everlasting…” Far more moving than “Blessed are you, Lord God…”

This, I believe, is the way through the problem. But the far right and the far left would both never agree.

Yes I agree with that understanding. That is why I like singing the songs. I seem more moved by that than saying words I can not really understand sometimes. “Non Nobis Domine no nobis sed domine” etc…those are moving when I sing them.
What do you mean by the far right and far left?

 

[choy]

"Frankly, I believe an EF reverently translated to, and presented in English would pacify even the most anti-EF folks: How can you not hear those prayers and petitions and not be moved? "

I agree with this, esp. the Suscipe, Domine! “Receive, Holy Lord, God Almighty and Everlasting…” Far more moving than “Blessed are you, Lord God…”

This, I believe, is the way through the problem. But the far right and the far left would both never agree.

i don’t think there are anti-EF people. i haven’t met any so far. there are a lot of anti-OF people in CAF though

most people who doesn’t want to attend EF isn’t against EF, they just have that language issue. i share the same sentiment that i want to be a part of the mass. its like watching Japanese anime, you listen to the Japanese language version because the tons of the language are more expressive and more in-line with the original intention of the director. problem is, you miss a lot of the show just reading translations, concentrating more on the text than on the visuals. for me, a mass in a different language, i’ll be doing more of the same. my concentration is more on trying to figure our where we are, or reading a missal, rather than my eyes are in front on the altar and appreciating the visual of whats going on, and my ears can take care of receiving the message. now, this doesn’t mean i am anti-EF. i’m not for abolishing EF. i just don’t think i’ll go to an EF mass regularly. like i mentioned earlier in this thread, its something i would go to, maybe once or twice a year, but not ever sunday. and even if i don’t go to an EF mass at all, it doesn’t mean i’m anti-EF

i don’t think anyone here has anti-EF sentiments. so far, i haven’t seen anyone say something completely against EF

 

[japhy]

i don’t think there are anti-EF people.

Oh, they exist. One priest expresses his displeasure for it here and here. Many of the columnists and commenters at the National Catholic Reporter are most assuredly “anti-EF”.

 

[MarkThompson]

Frankly, I believe an EF reverently translated to, and presented in English would pacify even the most anti-EF folks: How can you not hear those prayers and petitions and not be moved? It’s difficult to read the Latin Mass (in English) and not be deeply moved by the beauty or the prayers and petition.

Well, you would still not hear practically any of the prayers unless you were serving at the altar. You’d just have to read them (actively, of course!).

 

[sulkow82]

Hello,
I voted “no” in the poll. I have attended a TLM in my diocese before (out of curiosity). I think the TLM should be preserved and celebrated as a treasure of our Church. I’m just not called to be one of those to preserve it.

Somewhat similar to this thread, I would like to see a society/ order established where they celebrate the TLM as the standard. Then those who wish to attend TLM standard could do so. Those who are enriched by the Novus Ordo could do so. The SSPX would be a great one if they could settle their differences with the Vatican.

 

[choy]

Oh, they exist. One priest expresses his displeasure for it here and here. Many of the columnists and commenters at the National Catholic Reporter are most assuredly “anti-EF”.

well, like i said, i haven’t met them yet
but in any case, as far as this thread or this forum goes, i don’t see anti-EF sentiments

i got into quite a tussle in the Traditional Catholicism forum with the anti-OF people here. sadly, they view our defense of the OF as anti-EF. those who i sided with never spoke against the EF though. that is why i reacted when i saw mentioned here about people being anti-EF. hopefully they see the fact that people not preferring EF aren’t automatically anti-EF. many would support EF masses in their parish, they just won’t attend them for their own reasons.

 

[sulkow82]

What I don’t like is the infighting between those who prefer the EF and those who prefer the OF. Both sides, in my view, are equally guilty in their rhetoric, and both have missed the point that we belong to One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church and we shouldn’t have this squabbling. I, for one, am very tired of it, and I think Jesus probably is too.

 

[Sarabande]

I wish there was a Tridentine mass offered somewhere near me. :imsorry: Anyone know of one being offeded near Trenton New Jersey?

There is Mater Ecclesiae in Berlin, NJ. It is an EF only parish.
materecclesiae.org/

There is also one offered at St. Paul’s in South Philadelphia. I think it might be closer than Berlin.
stpaulparishsouthphilly.com/

Another one at St. Peter’s in Merchantville, NJ. I believe it is every 12:00 or 12:30 Sunday mass.
stpeterrcc.com/

St. Albert the Great in Huntingdon Valley just started an EF, but I’m not sure if it is on Sundays.
saintalthegreat.org/

Hope these help.

 

[Sarabande]

I don’t mind either form, so I chose “yes”. The OF can be spiritually beautiful and reverent. It can be great attending mass in English, although I also like attending the OF in Latin which we have at our parish. Having a mass said in another language doesn’t bother me, since much of what I sing is in languages other than my mother tongue - and a lot of the sacred music I sing is in Latin. (Basically, I’m used to it.) So, I look at a mass done in Latin just an extension of the music which is always a prayer and very spiritual for me no matter what. It’s a language which, for some reason, connects me deeper spiritually. Perhaps it’s because so much of the sacred music I sing is in Latin and I’ve already got the spiritual transcendence through the music, itself. Another reason is that, as a lover of history, I really value the connection I have with Catholics from other centuries who worshiped with the same mass and language. But that’s just me.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

Yes I agree with that understanding. That is why I like singing the songs. I seem more moved by that than saying words I can not really understand sometimes. “Non Nobis Domine no nobis sed domine” etc…those are moving when I sing them.
What do you mean by the far right and far left?

Emphasis above mine:

What I meant was this:

There is a far left that will absolutely LOATHE the idea of any reversion to ANYTHING pre-VII, esp. the liturgy. You can read it in the responses to Sumorum Pontificum in the *National Catholic Reporter. *They are the same crowd that decried the election of Benedict XVI. Frs. Richard O’Brien and Richard Rohr, Bishop Thomas Gumbleton, and Sr. Joan Chichester fall into this group (I rather imagine).

There’s also a far right who would reject out of hand the idea of the EF in the vernacular (even though it has been done before) and insist on the Latin.

You can’t please everyone.