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At_Trent
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That’s the sad thing. In too many parishes we are trying to please ourselves, doing it our way.
How Many Here Would Attend The Traditional Latin Mass If It Were Available ?
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JKirkLVNV
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But God has NEVER spoken and indicated which way is HIS way. We know He instituted the Holy Eucharist, but He never has given a sign as to which of the forms that clothe the Holy Sacrifice (and there are and have been many, between the Eastern and Western Churches) He prefers. One assumes that, leaving the power of binding and loosening to His Church, He is pleased with obedience to Her.
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At_Trent
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I was just agreeing with the bolded part and saying I thought it was sad.
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Sanctifiable
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This is exactly why I voted no. I like to see a Latin Mass every so often but not on a regular basis.
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JKirkLVNV
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I see. Forgive me if I read more into what you were saying. In debate, one very often cannot see nuances of expression over the internet. I apologize.
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Angelic_Rose
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I’ve never attended the Latin Mass, but I would be happy to see what it is like. I grew up in the Orthodox Church and really enjoyed the holiness around the liturgy. But I did have a difficult time feeling welcomed or a part of it because it was spoken in Russian, a language I did not understand. What I picked up was from nagging my Mom to explain it to me.
I might still have a problem with feeling a part of Mass if it was completely done with Latin, but I’m very willing to celebrate Mass as the Church once use to.
I might still have a problem with feeling a part of Mass if it was completely done with Latin, but I’m very willing to celebrate Mass as the Church once use to.
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Angelic_Rose
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Does anybody know about any churches in North Jersey??
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flyfisher
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How about if they said the Traditional Mass in English would you go?
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At_Trent
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No biggie or need to apologize. That’s the problem with net forums lol. If we were sitting at a table, we could explain ourselves more easily rather than waiting hours or days for a reply.
And argue less
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ProVobis
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The vernacular was actually introduced into the Traditional Mass in the 60’s. That lead to other changes and they were not very widely accepted; subsequently the Novus Ordo was promulgated.How about if they said the Traditional Mass in English would you go?
That said, the EF is allowed vernacular Epistle and Gospel in some cases but there is no official vernacular text for these. (Vernacular readings of the Epistle and Gospel are always made at the vernacular sermon, however.) I suppose if the Pope allows vernacular officially it would have to undergo some careful scrutiny just like the current OF is undergoing. The only question would be of its cost effectiveness; would people drive miles to attend an English Traditional Mass when they have an English OF closeby?
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choy
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if there’s an english EF mass, i’d say do away with the english OF mass
in fact, just translate the EF to every language and do away with the OF
but thats just me
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Holly3278
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I would definitely attend one. However, the closest one in my area that occurs on a regular basis is the one in Evansville. I live in the Diocese of Evansville. According to Mapquest, the route that I would take to get from my apartment to the church is about 46 miles. I can’t drive that far. It’d probably take at least 1/4 tank to get there and another 1/4 tank to get back!
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Cat
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Not all young people like Latin.
My older daughter, who is 27, is not part of these forums, so her “vote” and the votes of her young friends won’t be counted in this poll. (I suspect that the votes of many younger people won’t be counted in this poll.)
Our family will be in St. Louis this weekend, and I asked my older daughter where she would like to attend Mass with us. I mentioned the Basilica (which is breath-takingly beautiful, BTW).
She said, “Oh, no way. It’s too Latin-y.”
She currently attends and is active in the Cathedral in San Diego, which apparently is not “Latin-y” and apparently the young people are happy that it’s not “Latin-y.”
In fact, she told me that the priest’s homily this past Sunday dealt with the changes in the Mass after Vatican II, and he made it clear that these changes came about through the leading of the Holy Spirit. I think it’s worth remembering that fact. Apparently the Holy Spirit, unlike some humans, knew that changes were necessary for His Church. It’s one thing to be nostalgic for the past, but it’s another thing to disparage the work of the Holy Spirit, as some people do on these forums. Sure, go after abuses. But the OF itself is of God.
My older daughter, who is 27, is not part of these forums, so her “vote” and the votes of her young friends won’t be counted in this poll. (I suspect that the votes of many younger people won’t be counted in this poll.)
Our family will be in St. Louis this weekend, and I asked my older daughter where she would like to attend Mass with us. I mentioned the Basilica (which is breath-takingly beautiful, BTW).
She said, “Oh, no way. It’s too Latin-y.”
She currently attends and is active in the Cathedral in San Diego, which apparently is not “Latin-y” and apparently the young people are happy that it’s not “Latin-y.”
In fact, she told me that the priest’s homily this past Sunday dealt with the changes in the Mass after Vatican II, and he made it clear that these changes came about through the leading of the Holy Spirit. I think it’s worth remembering that fact. Apparently the Holy Spirit, unlike some humans, knew that changes were necessary for His Church. It’s one thing to be nostalgic for the past, but it’s another thing to disparage the work of the Holy Spirit, as some people do on these forums. Sure, go after abuses. But the OF itself is of God.
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ProVobis
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A lot of people have a hardened position against Latin but they know more Latin than they think. We use phrases like de facto, re, et cetera, and many Latin words a lot of the time. The grammar has similar structure. And we still use the Latin alphabet, no small thing there. I see Latin as an expansion of our own vocabulary. So what’s not to like if only we can understand our own English better?
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Apagano
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Then what about me and all my friends?? I’m 28 and love the EF. I grew up only knowing the OF. The EF to me was what a bunch of heretics who didn’t want to ‘fall in line’ where a part of. Little did I know. I was very hesitant in going to the EF Mass. I felt like I was betraying my Church. She changed things for a reason, right??? The more I read about Vatican II and the Church before the Council the more I fall in love with the Traditional Mass. I almost feel uncomfortable at the OF now. When you actually read the 1962 Missal along side the current Missal you see that more changed than JUST the language. And on the topic of language. People are saying how they like that they understand the Mass in English and that when they go to France (or where ever) they appreciate the english even more. Well, if all Masses were said in the same language (Latin) and follow the same rubrics, you could go to any Catholic Church in the World and know exactly what was happening. Which is why the Church had an official language in the first place.
And there are people who doubt the leading of the Holy Spirit when it comes to VII. For one, the council was NOT a dogmatic council. It states that it was strictly a ‘teaching’ council. And on the comity for the reform of the Mass were 6 (SIX!!!) Protestants. Can we say that the Holy Spirit was working through people who rejected the Church??? I don’t know.
I would also like to say, that unfortunately you can’t say that just because a priest says something makes it true. I’ve heard priests denounce the existence of hell and the devil. Does that mean they no longer exist??? I’ve heard priests say that it okay to contracept, does that make it okay??? I’ve heard priests say that women should be priests, does that mean Church teaching should change and women should be priests???
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angelic06
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Well, it is one thing to favor, or if not favor, to show interest in the EF. It is quite another to denounce the OF which, like or not, was legitimately promulgated by the reigning pope.
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thequeen
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There is a tridentine mass in my diocese that is about a 30 or 40 minute drive depending on traffic I go there about one a month the only reason I do not go there every sunday is because I take care of my own parish churches library I will remind anyone going for the first time to take a covering for their head because it is required for the tridentine mass
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thequeen
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Welcome apagano you are about the same age that I was whenI came into the Catholic Church and I admire your appreciation for tradtion and no just because a priest says that it is okay to use artificial contraception doesnt mean that it is okay or anything else against the magisterium of the church and dont worry those priest will have to answer for teaching heresy a scripture passge comes to mind I cant recall where it is but it goes something like this there will be a time in which men will reject sound doctrine and only listen to that which tickles their ears and I believe that some of these liberal priests are fulfilling the prophecy of that scripure
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MarkThompson
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Not if this is a church in communion with Rome. There are plenty of threads about headcoverings, so I won’t hijack this one to that purpose, but this is definitely not true.
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