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Montalban
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There seems to be more than Shi’a and Sunni. How many Islamic groups are there?
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porkscratchings
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There are the Sufis, the Amadis, and the Ismailis. There are much more than I can name but most Islamic countries don’t recognise any group other than Sunni, and try to destroy all the other groups. Info on how many islamic groups are hard to come by as islamic countries don’t broadcast information on groups - they don’t want the world to know they have these ‘heretics’ in the their midst, rather than the homogenous islam they like everyone to see.
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paarsurrey
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Hi
Yes, this one, given in your post is the photograph of **Jesus’SecondComing **1835-1908, the PromisedMessiah, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. One may accept him if one finds him truthful, as I have done, there is no other choice; all religions are waiting for the advent of a DivineGuide. The Signs of his coming as per the Scriptures of all religions have been fulfilled; so why not to accept him? The Jews, the Christians and the Muslims etc are all in waiting for one.
There is no compulsion in accepting him; he gives peaceful reasoning from one’s own scriptures that convince one’s heart and mind, so one should not get offended as he is no stranger, he is one sent for you.
I think one should rather welcome him.
Of course, one could differ with me but with rational reasons and arguments.
Thank you Montalban.
May GodAllahYHWH bless you!
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dolphinlove
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Paars, a couple of things…
- How many Islamic groups are there.
- I thought you were only here to discuss, not to argue??
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Montalban
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Exactly. I didn’t start an OP called “Tell me the truth about Ahmadis”
But how many groups in Islam are there!
Paarsurrey can’t help but spam.
We know that there’s two distinct groups even within Ahmadi version of Islam (according to wiki)
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Montalban
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Another group is the Nation of Islam - who consider themselves Moslem - though *mainstream *Islam doesn’t
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dolphinlove
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And they give Christianity a hard time because of the number of denoms…
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paarsurrey
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Hi
Anybody who believes at heart and declares from his mouth openly that he is a Muslim, is a Muslim as mentioned in a Hadith of the truthful ProphetMessenger Muhammad . Muhammad’s word is the final word.
So, the Nation of Islam people are definitely not Christians or Jews, they are undoubtedly Muslims.
Thanks
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Montalban
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Indeed. It’s certainly not the ‘two’ that most people think.
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kellie
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paarsurrey, Montalban never said the Nation of Islam people are Christians or Jews, or that anyone ever thinks that they are.
Why would you answer his post like that?
This thread is to list how many sectors of Islam there are, can you do that for us?
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Montalban
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That’s the spammer for you
I heard that there’s a group in Islam that only believe in the Koran, and not the Hadith.
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kellie
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religionfacts.com/islam/sects.htm
This site lists Sunni,Shia,Sufism,and Ahmadiyya
The Ahmadiyya one is interesting
But I won’t hijack this thread with it
This site lists Sunni,Shia,Sufism,and Ahmadiyya
The Ahmadiyya one is interesting
But I won’t hijack this thread with it
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Montalban
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What about the Druze? I’ve never disccused the Druze, so I don’t know much about them - other than they sometimes recently sided with Israel.
I wish you’d not said that! Now a certain person’s going to say “AH, an invitation to spam”
He will
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Kadaveri
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Sufis aren’t a sect, they’re Muslims who practice tasawuf.
And the reason people generally only list Sunni and Shi’a as the divisions between Muslims is because they account for about 99.8% Muslims worldwide anyway, and any outside this are way too heterodox to be really counted as Muslims.
And the Druze aren’t Muslims, they’re a totally different religion altogether.
And the reason people generally only list Sunni and Shi’a as the divisions between Muslims is because they account for about 99.8% Muslims worldwide anyway, and any outside this are way too heterodox to be really counted as Muslims.
And the Druze aren’t Muslims, they’re a totally different religion altogether.
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MugenOne
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Wahabbi and Sulafi (promoting the return of Caliphat)
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LDNCatholic
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If you can count most of these groups as Muslim, even though they substantially deviate from Islam, then how can we argue that the JWs or Mormons are not actually Christian?
Also, paarsurrey, how can you include the Nation of Islam as Muslims, when they proclaim that Allah Himself appeared in the form of W. Fard Muhammed? And also their beliefs on race are totally incompatible with Islam.
Also, paarsurrey, how can you include the Nation of Islam as Muslims, when they proclaim that Allah Himself appeared in the form of W. Fard Muhammed? And also their beliefs on race are totally incompatible with Islam.
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iamrefreshed
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Zaidis, Kahrijites, Alawis, Nizari, Sufi
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De_Maria
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Huh? So are Sunnis and Shiites also Sufi or what do you mean? Otherwise, it would seem that Sufis are a sect of Muslims that practice tasawuf (Whatever that is?)
So, essentially, you really don’t count them as Muslims. Therefore to say that Sunni and Shi’a comprise 99.8% of Muslims is really misleading since that would not be an indicator of what percent of people get their religion from the Quran, would it? Nor what percent of people call themselves Muslims?
Just asking.
Druze
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druze
Question, are these groups considered sects? Or ideologies? Or what?
atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/islam/blfaq_islam_sunni.htm
Sunni
• Twelver Shi’ite
• Sufi
• Kahrijites
• Wahhabis
• Ismailis
• Zaidis
• Alawis
• Nizari
• Druze
• Bahai
Sincerely,
De Maria
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LDNCatholic
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Sufi isn’t a sect, it is a practice within Islam. People of either group can be Sufi. I’m trying to think up something in the way of a Christian equivalent but I’m stumped.
Also Kadaveri is right, the Druze are a distinct religion. Just because they seem to have some Islamic practices it doesn’t make them Muslim. The Sikhs were also influenced by Islam, but calling a Sikh a Muslim could land you in a spot of trouble.
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Isa_Almisry
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I’ll answer as I go down the thread and see something interesting.
First, the muslims have their own tradition that they have 73 sects (a misreading of the 72 nations of Genesis, the 72 languages of the world, the 72/70 disciples of Christ, etc.).
The three main branches are Sunni, Shi’ite and Kharijite, which date from the first generation of Islam (how’s that for unity).
The Sunni are four main schools: Hanbali, Maliki, Shafi’i, and Hanafi.
The Shi’ites are mostly Twelver, Ismaili, Zaydi.
The Kharijites have only one remaining sect, the Ibadi, which is the chief religion in Oman. There are pockets in Algeria, Libya, and East Africa, but that’s about it for these.
The Twelevers main sects are Usuli, Akhabari and Shaykhi (the Baha’i came out of this last one). The differences are on the interpretation of where islamic law comes from and leads to.
A group, the Alawite, are associated with the above, but believe things like Muhammad, Ali and Salman the Persian (an early companion of Muhammad) are God, in a Trinity of sorts. This sect runs Syria today.
The Ismaili are Agha-Khani (Rita Hayworth married the father their present leader), Qasim-Shahi (small, all in Syria), Daudi, Sulaymani (in Yemen and India). The differences are on who inherited the leadership of the Believers.
Out of these came the Druze, who believe that the common leader of them all above, al-Hakim, is God. They are muslims in origin.
There are other Shi’ite groups running around, eg. the Ahl al-haqq in the Kurdish lands of the Turkish republic and elsewhere, who believe Ali is God.
The Sunnis are divided first on their interpretations of law. They don’t have theology to speak of, but that’s an overlying differnence across the schools.
Sufis are found in all of the above, and have their own beliefs, sort of like the charismatic movement in Christianity.
So, in a way, how many sects you want to count depends on how rigid you want to demarcate. The Sunnis will say there is nothing different between their schools, but have in the past killed each other just the same.
Then you have the Ahmadis, the Ahl al-Quran (the ones who rejected hadith/traditions of the prophet), the Wahhabis (who rund Saudi Arabia), and others that have cropped up in modern times, like the nation of Islam.
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